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Attack on Camp Bastion: The Destruction of VMA-211
« on: September 23, 2012, 08:03:40 AM »
Late on Friday, Sept. 14, 2012, a Taliban insurgent force of sappers attacked the NATO ISAF base, Camp Bastion, in Afghanistan, resulting in the worst loss of U.S. airpower in a single incident since the Vietnam War. Two Marines, including VMA-211’s commanding officer, were killed in the attack, and nine other personnel (eight military and one contractor, reportedly) were wounded. By the time the base was secured roughly five hours later, six U.S. Marine Corps (USMC) AV-8B+ Harrier “jump jets” had been destroyed, and two more “significantly” damaged. In addition, three refueling points were destroyed, and six “soft-skinned” aircraft hangers were damaged to some degree. As a result of this attack, the air strength of Marine Attack Squadron 211 (VMA-211 – “The Avengers”) presumably 10  aircraft, was almost completely destroyed.

Camp Bastion is a British-run ISAF base in Helmand Providence northwest of Lashkar Gah, built adjacent to Camp Leatherneck (the primary USMC base in the area) and Camp Shorabak (run by the Afghan National Army). Equipped with a 3,500-meter (11,482 foot) runway and servicing up to 28,000 personnel, it is the largest British base in Afghanistan. One of them, on Sept. 14, was an AH-64 Apache crewman named Capt.“Wales,” otherwise known as Harry, Prince of Wales. Along with the British Apaches and other U.K. aircraft, Camp Bastion also provides basing for USMC aviation units, including VMA-211, the only Harrier squadron then in Afghanistan.

As they began to attack the flightline areas, however, the RAF security force began to react within just 12 minutes, when they established an MQ-9 Reaper UAV orbit over the camp. This was followed by the launch of a British Apache helicopter that immediately engaged the insurgents, killing several. In addition, the British ground security force began to fight its way toward Camp Barber over the main runway, reportedly expending around 10,000 rounds of ammunition in the process. It took five hours to secure the base and police up the insurgents.

When the sun rose the next day, the deadly cost of the Taliban raid began to be seen. Fourteen of the 15 insurgent sappers were killed, along with two of their support force outside the fence. One insurgent was wounded and captured, and is providing useful information on this latest “Green on Blue” Taliban attack. The Allied casualties, however, are proving heartbreaking. Killed during the attack were Lt. Col. Christopher “Otis” K. Raible, USMC (the commander of VMA-211) and Sgt. Bradley W. Atwell (from Marine Air Logistics Squadron 13), both based at Marine Corps Air Station (MCAS) Yuma, Ariz.

Maj. Gen. Gregg Sturdevant, USMC, commander of Marine Aircraft Wing Three (Forward), has announced that replacements for the lost aircraft and personnel will be “brought forward,” suggesting VMA-211 will be reconstituted in place. While VMA-211’s executive officer, Maj. John “Strut” Havener, USMC, has been named the interim squadron commander, it is possible another Harrier squadron will be deployed and the Avengers returned to their home base at MCAS Yuma.

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Re: Attack on Camp Bastion: The Destruction of VMA-211
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2012, 08:04:56 AM »
The largest destruction of U.S. airpower since Vietnam and all we heard on the news over here was that the attack was targeting Prince Harry.   :banghead:
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Re: Attack on Camp Bastion: The Destruction of VMA-211
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2012, 08:12:40 AM »
The last time VMA-211 was combat ineffective was in December 1941, when the squadron was wiped out during the 13-day defense of Wake Island against the Japanese. Eight irreplaceable aircraft (the AV-8B has been out of production since 1999) have been destroyed or put out of action – approximately 7 percent of the total flying USMC Harrier fleet. Worse yet, the aircraft involved were the AV-B+ variant equipped with the APG-65 radar and AAQ-28 Litening II targeting pods – the most capable in the force. Given the current funding situation, it’s likely that the two damaged AV-8Bs will become spare parts “hangar queens” and never fly again. A Harrier squadron commander is dead, along with another Marine. Another nine personnel have been wounded, and the nearby Marines at Camp Freedom are now without effective fixed-wing air support.
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Re: Attack on Camp Bastion: The Destruction of VMA-211
« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2012, 02:42:29 PM »
Hopefully we can fix a few of em.  At least we seized the opportunity when the Brits let us buy all of theirs :-)
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Re: Attack on Camp Bastion: The Destruction of VMA-211
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2012, 02:52:36 PM »
Hopefully we can fix a few of em.  At least we seized the opportunity when the Brits let us buy all of theirs :-)

Hopefully the two that were damaged can be fixed.  The article didn't seem to think it would happen.  They did state though that the Squadron would be reconstituted in place.
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Re: Attack on Camp Bastion: The Destruction of VMA-211
« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2012, 04:09:41 PM »
Hopefully the two that were damaged can be fixed.  The article didn't seem to think it would happen.  They did state though that the Squadron would be reconstituted in place.

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Re: Attack on Camp Bastion: The Destruction of VMA-211
« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2012, 05:14:14 PM »
Sometime when you have time, you should about the defense of Wake Island. The leatherneck pilots were fearless....and the ground pounders and contractors on the island didn't do so bad either.
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Re: Attack on Camp Bastion: The Destruction of VMA-211
« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2012, 04:37:11 PM »
Your excerpt doesn't really mention any green-on-blue aspect of the attack, I'm assuming there is more than what you posted on that part of it such as inside help with the sappers' infiltration.
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Re: Attack on Camp Bastion: The Destruction of VMA-211
« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2012, 01:33:47 PM »
Your excerpt doesn't really mention any green-on-blue aspect of the attack, I'm assuming there is more than what you posted on that part of it such as inside help with the sappers' infiltration.

The only mention of any green on blue that I can find seems to be derived from the fact that the Taliban were dressed in ACU's.
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Re: Attack on Camp Bastion: The Destruction of VMA-211
« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2012, 04:04:31 PM »
Hopefully the two that were damaged can be fixed.  The article didn't seem to think it would happen.  They did state though that the Squadron would be reconstituted in place.

If there is more than three pieces the aircraft left we CAN rebuild it, won't be the first time
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Re: Attack on Camp Bastion: The Destruction of VMA-211
« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2012, 09:52:27 AM »
Squadrons, regiments, battalions, or any other military organizations are not 'destroyed' by the mere loss of equipment, that's pretty much only true for ships.
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Re: Attack on Camp Bastion: The Destruction of VMA-211
« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2012, 09:56:24 AM »
Squadrons, regiments, battalions, or any other military organizations are not 'destroyed' by the mere loss of equipment, that's pretty much only true for ships.

Combat ineffective?
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Re: Attack on Camp Bastion: The Destruction of VMA-211
« Reply #12 on: September 26, 2012, 01:42:48 PM »
Combat ineffective?

Yes, for now, but they would be in an aircraft transition or worldwide maintenance alert, too.  Not destroyed, though, just temporarily out of airplanes.
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« Reply #13 on: September 26, 2012, 01:58:41 PM »
Yes, for now, but they would be in an aircraft transition or worldwide maintenance alert, too.  Not destroyed, though, just temporarily out of airplanes.

It's gonna be an interesting shuffle they do if they replace their Harriers with other Harriers.  Last I heard the navy/USMC was phasing them out....and replacing them with the not yet on line F-35 V/STOL version.

Hopefully they can get another squadron in there to cover them or get some planes from the 4th MarDiv stocks as a stop gap.
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Re: Attack on Camp Bastion: The Destruction of VMA-211
« Reply #14 on: September 26, 2012, 04:49:15 PM »
The F35 has overpromised and underdelivered for quite awhile, there's a pretty good chance it'll end up like the F111 or the M60A2 tank, a technical curiosity that nobody really has a use for, but is afraid to say so since it would be career suicide for anyone below three stars to point out the lack of opacity in the Emperor's wardrobe.  Other than true VTOL, which has its uses but is not all that valuable from a land base bigger than a postage stamp and for which there are enough Harriers in inventory to answer any real need for the foreseeable future, I don't really see it offering any advantages over a mix of AV8Bs and FA18s.  Due to being carrier birds from the ground up, the 18s are pretty close to STOL territory themselves. 
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Re: Attack on Camp Bastion: The Destruction of VMA-211
« Reply #15 on: September 26, 2012, 05:53:12 PM »
The F35 has overpromised and underdelivered for quite awhile, there's a pretty good chance it'll end up like the F111 or the M60A2 tank, a technical curiosity that nobody really has a use for, but is afraid to say so since it would be career suicide for anyone below three stars to point out the lack of opacity in the Emperor's wardrobe.  Other than true VTOL, which has its uses but is not all that valuable from a land base bigger than a postage stamp and for which there are enough Harriers in inventory to answer any real need for the foreseeable future, I don't really see it offering any advantages over a mix of AV8Bs and FA18s.  Due to being carrier birds from the ground up, the 18s are pretty close to STOL territory themselves. 

Went to an air show 3 years ago. I saw an FA18 do a "slow flight" fly by. The landing gear was down and he was flying so slow it appeared to just hang in the air. It was going so slow I couldn't believe there was enough airflow over the control surfaces to control it....just WOW. He retracted the gear, must have hit the afterburners and he was hauling ass by the other end of the runway....then went straight up out of sight.

Hell, at my age, I'd give both nuts to get to fly that thing.
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Re: Attack on Camp Bastion: The Destruction of VMA-211
« Reply #16 on: September 26, 2012, 07:39:08 PM »
The Hornet is an amazing bird.  Its super-robust landing gear, designed to withstand smackdown landings on a carrier deck in heavy seas, makes it one Hell of a rough strip plane, and with the safety margin of two engines, it is built to take it as no Falcon ever will, and much more suited to the F/A multi-mission role to boot.  There's some damned good reasons foreign air forces like the Aussies bought them.
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Re: Attack on Camp Bastion: The Destruction of VMA-211
« Reply #17 on: September 27, 2012, 03:44:54 PM »
The F35 has overpromised and underdelivered for quite awhile, there's a pretty good chance it'll end up like the F111 or the M60A2 tank, a technical curiosity that nobody really has a use for, but is afraid to say so since it would be career suicide for anyone below three stars to point out the lack of opacity in the Emperor's wardrobe.  Other than true VTOL, which has its uses but is not all that valuable from a land base bigger than a postage stamp and for which there are enough Harriers in inventory to answer any real need for the foreseeable future, I don't really see it offering any advantages over a mix of AV8Bs and FA18s.  Due to being carrier birds from the ground up, the 18s are pretty close to STOL territory themselves. 

What it offers is replacing two very old aircraft, the AV8 and the EA6B.  The tooling has been destroyed, we only can fix what we have at this time.  VMA-211 represents 1/15th of the entire AV8B fleet.  no there are not enough in the inventory.  The fact it does not need a good runway and can use improvised areas is a big value. 

An F18 requires a good amount of runway to take off when not being thrown off by the catapult at 165 mph in two seconds or so.
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Re: Attack on Camp Bastion: The Destruction of VMA-211
« Reply #18 on: September 27, 2012, 09:45:15 PM »
What it offers is replacing two very old aircraft, the AV8 and the EA6B.  The tooling has been destroyed, we only can fix what we have at this time.  VMA-211 represents 1/15th of the entire AV8B fleet.  no there are not enough in the inventory.  The fact it does not need a good runway and can use improvised areas is a big value. 

An F18 requires a good amount of runway to take off when not being thrown off by the catapult at 165 mph in two seconds or so.

Yes, it can't take off in anything like the length of carrier deck without a cat, but it doesn't take an international airport runway either.  10 planes as 1/15th of the type is more than the entire production runs of a lot of A/C, even when the Navy and Air Force had twice the strength they do now, and the VTOL is essentially a very niche need, given how deadly attack helos have become since the project was conceived. 

I'm an F35 skeptic, its design goals are too disparate to make it first class in any of them; it'll either end up doing ground support missions an Apache could do better and cheaper while dragging along a massively expensive stealth fuselage and avionics suite, or struggling to keep up with stealth air superiority planes while dragging along its unneeded but weighty VTOL components.  For what it's going to cost they could handcraft Harriers out of sterling silver and come out about even.
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Re: Attack on Camp Bastion: The Destruction of VMA-211
« Reply #19 on: September 29, 2012, 08:17:41 AM »
On the F35B DAT we'll agree to disagree.

I saw pictures yesterday morning from the scene and all I can say is DAMN!!!!!!!!!

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