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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Lauri on January 15, 2008, 01:11:40 PM
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KzooDem (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jan-15-08 11:10 AM
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How in the hell can CHURCHES be voting sites???
I was just listening to MSNBC in the background a few minutes ago and they were reporting on the fiasco that is the Michigan primary. Some talking head was talking about the mood of primary voters at a church that is a polling station.
Every voting site I have ever been to have been municipal buildings or schools. Are churches regularly used as voting sites and I'm just clueless? I know that the separation between state and church has been terribly eroded, especially within the past 7 years. But using churches as voting sites is beyond the pale as far as I'm concerned.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2687405
well, in my 11 years in the Seattle area, I've voted mostly in the Lutheran church down the street. When we moved to a different town, we now vote in the elementary school. But, for 99 percent of the time I've been here.. its been in a church.
i hope that makes kookoo even more nuts than he/she already is. :popcorn:
oh, and the thread is HUGE..
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Every voting site I have ever been to have been municipal buildings or schools. Are churches regularly used as voting sites and I'm just clueless?
Not gonna do it. Too easy. Not gonna do it.
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wonder what they think about this??? (it's a snippet from an article I posted on Political Rants)
SEIU Local 32BJ represents more than 85,000 cleaners, doormen, porters, maintenance workers and window cleaners in the mid-Atlantic region.
Attendance was encouraged by prominent New York pastors including the Rev. Johnny Ray Youngblood of St. Paul Community Baptist Church in Brooklyn, and the union, which gave members credit for attending that could be used to earn money for organizing activities.
The union endorsed Clinton last year, but Fishman didn’t mention her in an impassioned speech about the union’s effort to organize security workers.
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most of the responses inform the OP that they have always (and usually) voted in churches...
KzooDem (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jan-15-08 11:20 AM
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22. Wow...guess I just didn't realize so many polling places are churches.
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 11:25 AM by KzooDem
I have only voted at schools and municipal sites as mentioned before. I've only checked where my voting site was going to be and didn't really pay attention to where other voting sites were.
I guess from a practical standpoint (space) it makes sense, but it still raises my spearation of church and state hackles. thats cause youre an idiot who doesnt understand what that term actually means.
Maybe if we changed our national voting day from a WEEKEDAY to a WEEKEND day, we'd not only likely get more voters participating in democracy, but we'd also have room for them to vote in our municipal buildings.
Thanks for the responses. I'm a little emarassed to discover I didn't know how common church-site voting is. Perhaps my concern was misplaced, but I still think that in a perfect world voting should not take place in a place of worship. But, as we all know this is decidedly not a perfect world.
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Kzoo, why don't you uresearch this issue? Oh wait, you might find out that there's always been voting in churches and that your cherished separation of church and state is a fairy tale.
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this thread reminds me that i need to teach my daughter what 'the separation of church and state' means...
since she's only 8 years old, i expect that she will understand this issue far better than the adult kookoo at DU.
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the dems have set up caucus locations in casinos so the culinary union people can get out and support obama . . . hypocrite much?
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this thread reminds me that i need to teach my daughter what 'the separation of church and state' means...
since she's only 8 years old, i expect that she will understand this issue far better than the adult kookoo at DU.
it makes a lot of sense from the perspective that the church would suffer from a relationship that was too close to the state . . .
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this thread reminds me that i need to teach my daughter what 'the separation of church and state' means...
since she's only 8 years old, i expect that she will understand this issue far better than the adult kookoo at DU.
It means "crush all predominantly white Christian-based churches," right?
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We used to vote in the church a quarter of a mile away...now it is in the church a couple miles in the other direction...been that way since I moved here in 2001. Oh and idiot DUmbass, since when it just walking into a place of worship for another purpose other then to worship considered religious behavior that a secular person must be protected against? I've walked into all sorts of worship centers to attend secular gatherings. Nobody withers up and dies and there are no church members(unless they are part of the club or whatever) waiting to jump you and preach. Churches normally either donate their space for charitable events(even secular ones) or rent out the space. I've been to many many scrapbooking events at local churches that were not sponsored by the church. They merely donated or rented the space out.
:loser:
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and then a few idiots show up...
Angela Shelley (605 posts) Tue Jan-15-08 12:00 PM
Response to Reply #47
58. It´s the SYMBOLISM when using a church as a polling station:
... Churches don´t have to pay taxes, report their income or their wealth, they discriminate on the basis of gender, race, and personal beliefs, their leaders can come up with new rules everyday and are not held accountable by their members, but yet ... we enjoy using their buildings to cast our vote. ...
It´s symbolic for the attitude in the country: "We really don´t want anything to do with you, but we would be glad to take advantage of your presence"
eppur_se_muova Tue Jan-15-08 11:32 AM
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37. They are big, EMPTY buildings which sit UNUSED six days a week.
All the energy to heat and cool them is generating greenhouse gases for Jeebuz.
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this thread reminds me that i need to teach my daughter what 'the separation of church and state' means...
since she's only 8 years old, i expect that she will understand this issue far better than the adult kookoo at DU.
It means "crush all predominantly white Christian-based churches," right?
something like that ... oh, and never, ever talk about God with a public school teacher :-)
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We used to vote in the church a quarter of a mile away...now it is in the church a couple miles in the other direction...been that way since I moved here in 2001. Oh and idiot DUmbass, since when it just walking into a place of worship for another purpose other then to worship considered religious behavior that a secular person must be protected against? I've walked into all sorts of worship centers to attend secular gatherings. Nobody withers up and dies and there are no church members(unless they are part of the club or whatever) waiting to jump you and preach. Churches normally either donate their space for charitable events(even secular ones) or rent out the space. I've been to many many scrapbooking events at local churches that were not sponsored by the church. They merely donated or rented the space out.
:loser:
this reminds me of a term my dad used to say... "just cause youre standing in the garage, that doesnt make you car" :-)
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eppur_se_muova Tue Jan-15-08 11:32 AM
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37. They are big, EMPTY buildings which sit UNUSED six days a week.
All the energy to heat and cool them is generating greenhouse gases for Jeebuz.
Umm, have you ever heard of churches running food banks, daycares, or other socially beneficial programs? Idiot.
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eppur_se_muova Tue Jan-15-08 11:32 AM
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37. They are big, EMPTY buildings which sit UNUSED six days a week.
All the energy to heat and cool them is generating greenhouse gases for Jeebuz.
Umm, have you ever heard of churches running food banks, daycares, or other socially beneficial programs? Idiot.
the church we used to go was held in a high school gymnasium. a few of the locals thought that was also a 'church and state' issue.. i swear, the depth of stupidity in some people is embarassing.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jan-15-08 12:19 PM
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77. Why The **** Not?
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 12:23 PM by OPERATIONMINDCRIME
There's not the slightest thing wrong with the concept. Not in the slightest.
Not sure what in the world you think is 'beyond the pale' or why you're so uppity about the concept, but I'd wager it's due to some deep rooted issue against religion that actually has nada to do with the actual concept of voting in a church. Regardless, I find the OP to be laughable.
On edit: I also see that you posted in the thread that it 'raises your separation of church and state hackles' blah blah. If it's one thing I LOATHE, it's people who take the separation concept to such ignorant and petty degrees, as to think that a concept like that in the OP would pertain whatsoever. It's those types of people who make our party look bad as it relates to religion. That type of melodramatic misinterpretation of what separation of church and state actually means is used constantly as fodder against us liberals, when in fact it is just the product of a small few who need to get their heads out of their asses and stop being so intolerant of religion.
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this dude has a rambling story about his wife from Russia.. yadda yadda he wasnt listed on the record at the voting place.. then he says this..
go west young man Tue Jan-15-08 01:01 PM
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117. As I posted it's Brunswick Georgia.
Home of FLETC. The Ford LTDs were outside of both churches. Sitting in the shadows. Just like the KGB used to do. I am not mistaken.
My voting registration card was sent to me in the mail so of course I was registered.
??? :popcorn:
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this dude has a rambling story about his wife from Russia.. yadda yadda he wasnt listed on the record at the voting place.. then he says this..
go west young man Tue Jan-15-08 01:01 PM
Response to Reply #112
117. As I posted it's Brunswick Georgia.
Home of FLETC. The Ford LTDs were outside of both churches. Sitting in the shadows. Just like the KGB used to do. I am not mistaken.
My voting registration card was sent to me in the mail so of course I was registered.
??? :popcorn:
The KGB drives LTDs? I always thought they drive them little ugly russian cars.
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eppur_se_muova Tue Jan-15-08 11:32 AM
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37. They are big, EMPTY buildings which sit UNUSED six days a week.
All the energy to heat and cool them is generating greenhouse gases for Jeebuz.
Umm, have you ever heard of churches running food banks, daycares, or other socially beneficial programs? Idiot.
the church we used to go was held in a high school gymnasium. a few of the locals thought that was also a 'church and state' issue.. i swear, the depth of stupidity in some people is embarassing.
The church I used to go to started off by meeting in an elementary school and eventually moved to a new building across the street. That was before we moved to the area, though.
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For the last eight years, I've been voting in a Jewish Temple.
Oh Noes!!!! :o I always felt like I was being influenced by some unseen force while standing in line next to their bake sale table full of Challah bread.
On a serious note, I'm really starting to love that OPERATIONMINDCRIME.
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^well if you vote for Ron Paul, it will cancel out being in the JOOOOOOOOOOOOOS!! house. ;) :rotf:
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I'd have to dig into it to be sure, but I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if churches as voting sites goes all the way back to the founding of America. The DUmmies are over 230 years late on complaining.
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and then a few idiots show up...
Angela Shelley (605 posts) Tue Jan-15-08 12:00 PM
Response to Reply #47
58. It´s the SYMBOLISM when using a church as a polling station:
... Churches don´t have to pay taxes, report their income or their wealth, they discriminate on the basis of gender, race, and personal beliefs, their leaders can come up with new rules everyday and are not held accountable by their members, but yet ... we enjoy using their buildings to cast our vote. ...
It´s symbolic for the attitude in the country: "We really don´t want anything to do with you, but we would be glad to take advantage of your presence"
eppur_se_muova Tue Jan-15-08 11:32 AM
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37. They are big, EMPTY buildings which sit UNUSED six days a week.
All the energy to heat and cool them is generating greenhouse gases for Jeebuz.
People choose to exclude themselves from church...they don't discriminate. And I've never been in a church where its members have no say. Generally elders and senior members and even members in good standing vote on church matters. Their biggest vote is with their feet and their offerings if they believe their pastor to be teaching contrary to the word of God.
I have to wonder if any of these 'open-minded' liberals have really even stepped into a Christian church ever. You would think being the progressives they are they would welcome such an experience to broaden their minds. Something tells me they are just as narrow minded as they'd like to paint those mean ole discriminating Christians to be.
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For the last eight years, I've been voting in a Jewish Temple.
Oh Noes!!!! :o I always felt like I was being influenced by some unseen force while standing in line next to their bake sale table full of Challah bread.
On a serious note, I'm really starting to love that OPERATIONMINDCRIME.
Ummmm, Challah... G-d that stuff is SO . Freaking. Good.
Especially from Publix. :tongue:
*TKay*
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eppur_se_muova Tue Jan-15-08 11:32 AM
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37. They are big, EMPTY buildings which sit UNUSED six days a week.
All the energy to heat and cool them is generating greenhouse gases for Jeebuz.
Idiot DUmbass. Churches have other things going on every day. I know that and I'm not a churchgoer.
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The KGB drives LTDs? I always thought they drive them little ugly russian cars.
Keep that on the DL, or we'll have to CYA ASAP , and then we're just SOL, unless we're listening to ELO or the Bee Gees.
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The DUmmies get upset that the churches are used as voting sites...but have no problem when a Democrat slithers up to the pulpit doruing an election and basically gives a stump speech to the congregation. :whatever:
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I've lived in this house for 20 years and have always voted in the church about a mile from here. I wear a garlic garland :-) :-)
I have never frequented DU and only get what I get here or what I picked up on CU; sometimes I think you guys make this shit up; right?? :rotf: :rotf:
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I've lived in this house for 20 years and have always voted in the church about a mile from here. I wear a garlic garland :-) :-)
I have never frequented DU and only get what I get here or what I picked up on CU; sometimes I think you guys make this shit up; right?? :rotf: :rotf:
ive got a decent imagination... but i dont think i could come up with even a tiny fraction of what they say day in and day out on my own... its just not possible. :popcorn:
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I just learned something.
but it still raises my spearation of church and state hackles
I didn't know that libs had different varieties of "hackles". :rotf:
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KzooDem (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jan-15-08 11:10 AM
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How in the hell can CHURCHES be voting sites???
I was just listening to MSNBC in the background a few minutes ago and they were reporting on the fiasco that is the Michigan primary. Some talking head was talking about the mood of primary voters at a church that is a polling station.
Every voting site I have ever been to have been municipal buildings or schools. Are churches regularly used as voting sites and I'm just clueless? I know that the separation between state and church has been terribly eroded, especially within the past 7 years. But using churches as voting sites is beyond the pale as far as I'm concerned.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2687405
well, in my 11 years in the Seattle area, I've voted mostly in the Lutheran church down the street. When we moved to a different town, we now vote in the elementary school. But, for 99 percent of the time I've been here.. its been in a church.
i hope that makes kookoo even more nuts than he/she already is. :popcorn:
oh, and the thread is HUGE..
I say why not? A church can be a good venue for a polling place. Enough room to get folks in and out and like any polling place they have to follow election laws so the church can not influence which lever people pull.
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Heh, I used to vote in churches all the time. Everytime I walked up there to pull the lever for the (D) candidate the church made me vote for the (R) candidate so I finally gave up and just joined y'all morans. :-)
KC
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Heh, I used to vote in churches all the time. Everytime I walked up there to pull the lever for the (D) candidate the church made me vote for the (R) candidate so I finally gave up and just joined y'all morans. :-)
KC
Same thing here. :-)
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Heh, I used to vote in churches all the time. Everytime I walked up there to pull the lever for the (D) candidate the church made me vote for the (R) candidate so I finally gave up and just joined y'all morans. :-)
KC
Same thing here. :-)
Damn churches. They have done more to destroy the voting process than Dibold will ever do. :-) The two of them together ..... well, they are UNSTOPABLE!
KC
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Heh, I used to vote in churches all the time. Everytime I walked up there to pull the lever for the (D) candidate the church made me vote for the (R) candidate so I finally gave up and just joined y'all morans. :-)
KC
Same thing here. :-)
Damn churches. They have done more to destroy the voting process than Dibold will ever do. :-) The two of them together ..... well, they are UNSTOPABLE!
KC
Well what got me was when the Southern Baptists flew a couple of planes into skyscrapers and when the Methodists beheaded my neighbor for not converting. So from now on when the fundies say "jump" I say "how high?".
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eppur_se_muova Tue Jan-15-08 11:32 AM
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37. They are big, EMPTY buildings which sit UNUSED six days a week.
All the energy to heat and cool them is generating greenhouse gases for Jeebuz.
Idiot DUmbass. Churches have other things going on every day. I know that and I'm not a churchgoer.
Yeah, but you're not a DUmmy, so...
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KzooDem (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jan-15-08 11:10 AM
Original message
How in the hell can CHURCHES be voting sites???
I was just listening to MSNBC in the background a few minutes ago and they were reporting on the fiasco that is the Michigan primary. Some talking head was talking about the mood of primary voters at a church that is a polling station.
Every voting site I have ever been to have been municipal buildings or schools. Are churches regularly used as voting sites and I'm just clueless? I know that the separation between state and church has been terribly eroded, especially within the past 7 years. But using churches as voting sites is beyond the pale as far as I'm concerned.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2687405
well, in my 11 years in the Seattle area, I've voted mostly in the Lutheran church down the street. When we moved to a different town, we now vote in the elementary school. But, for 99 percent of the time I've been here.. its been in a church.
i hope that makes kookoo even more nuts than he/she already is. :popcorn:
oh, and the thread is HUGE..
Must be some kind of conspiracy. Since moving here in '91 my polling place has been at a Baptist church building :hyper:
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Teh DUmmies are just afraid they'll burst into flames when they enter a church for the first time. :whatever:
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Teh DUmmies are just afraid they'll burst into flames when they enter a church for the first time. :whatever:
much more likely that the roof would fall in.
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eppur_se_muova Tue Jan-15-08 11:32 AM
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37. They are big, EMPTY buildings which sit UNUSED six days a week.
All the energy to heat and cool them is generating greenhouse gases for Jeebuz.
Idiot DUmbass. Churches have other things going on every day. I know that and I'm not a churchgoer.
Yeah, but you're not a DUmmy, so...
Hey Jinx! Welcome!
KC
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I'm shocked (well, not really, but still) that voting in a church would make somebody think about the separation between church and state. Do they think that entering a church building somehow forces religious beliefs on a person? :rotf: How can anybody be remotely disturbed by the idea of voting in a church?
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Teh DUmmies are just afraid they'll burst into flames when they enter a church for the first time. :whatever:
i was going to bring over a post where one of them wrote "Im suprised the Republicans dont burst into flame when walking on Hallowed Ground" .. *sigh*
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Teh DUmmies are just afraid they'll burst into flames when they enter a church for the first time. :whatever:
I was going to say the SAME thing, but since I saw that this thread was 3 pages long, I decided to read the posts first :-)
The DUmmies just hate it that they just might have to set foot in a church.