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Offline Carl

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The leftist uprising is coming!
« on: December 12, 2014, 08:46:39 PM »
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Fri Dec 12, 2014, 02:46 PM

 Newsjock (11,044 posts)

'The liberal version of the Tea Party is just waiting to happen'
 
 Source: The Stranger

The Democratic Party seems to be split into two very distinct factions right now: Those who want the government to do something about income inequality and those who believe that appeasing Wall Street is more important. Last night's passage of a spending bill in the House has kicked off a larger discussion about this divide within the party.

... And so the timing couldn't be any better for this announcement from Ready for Warren: Three hundred former Obama campaign staffers signed an open letter urging Elizabeth Warren to run for president.

... It looks to me as though the liberal version of the Tea Party is just waiting to happen. Instead of cutting taxes, their platform would call for taxing the rich and building the middle class. The most important question is, when will this discussion take place? Will it be early in the Democratic primaries of 2016, or will it happen all through 2015? How civil will the discussion be? Will these financially left-leaning Democrats find the leadership that they need? (Sorry, Occupy, but leaderless organizations just don't gain political traction.) Or is this just ultimately a puff of outrage that will disperse into an already highly charged political atmosphere? The cause is there. The momentum is there. Now all that energy just needs to be focused into a movement.

Read more: http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2014/12/12/the-democratic-party-could-tear-itself-apart-over-income-inequality

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Fri Dec 12, 2014, 02:54 PM

 BlueCaliDem (7,602 posts)
1. With the rising popularity of Senator Elizabeth Warren, if not now, when?

Now is the time to push for a more liberal Democratic Party now that we're painfully in the minority. Bolstered by justified anger and frustration from our left flank, the Democratic Party is now, more than any other time in recent history, poised to change for the better.

Please go for it  :cheersmate:

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Fri Dec 12, 2014, 03:09 PM

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5. A meaningful liberal version of the tea party is unlikely.

First the practical reasons: No unlimited funding from billionaires and no 24/7 media propaganda arm.

Then then the philosophical reason: Liberals aren't sheep who ignore facts and live in a mythological world. A tea party needs sheep who will believe what they are told. TP cohesion is built on adherence to simplistic concepts. It doesn't matter if they are true or not, they must be believed.

Liberal beliefs are much more open to gray areas, that lessens the intensity and focus of the group.

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Fri Dec 12, 2014, 03:10 PM

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6. but the TEA party was a well-finance creation designed to pull the more radical,

angry and disaffected conservatives back into the GOP. They got Porta Potties, sound permits and a lot of help from Fox News.

What kind of Koch-level billionaire is going to finance "wealth equality"?

Good mole!

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Fri Dec 12, 2014, 03:15 PM

 rhett o rick (40,512 posts)
8. The Democratic Party must be purged of the Conservative/Corporatists that are against

everything Democrats stand for. The first step is to get it thru the heads of some that all Democrats are not good Democrats.
Those that think they are want their lives simplified. Let's take H. Clinton for instance. She is not the same as George Bush on all issues, but she was a big supporter of the most damaging decision this country has made. She not only supported the Republicans she promoted the Bush lies. In some ways she did more damage than Georgie. Democrats that didnt trust Georgie and little Dick Cheney, looked to her for guidance. She betrayed us. She sold the lies of WMD.

Sure,that 15% commie base will win out!

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Fri Dec 12, 2014, 03:17 PM

 sabrina 1 (47,921 posts)
9. OWS wasn't trying to 'gain political traction'. They were trying to, and succeeded

in exposing the corruption on Wall St.

I don't know why even people who should be more informed, continue to make false claims like that.

OWS more than exceeded its original goals which were, to stay on the streets for at most, two weeks in ONE city to draw attention to the Wall St Crimes that were destroying this country.

That was it. Not to go the old way of demonstrating for a day, then going home.

Since they are still operating all over the country, it is safe to say they far exceeded those goals, none of which was for THEM to 'gain political traction'.

Sabrina the stupid...a few filthy scum does not equal a movement.

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Fri Dec 12, 2014, 04:40 PM

 rhett o rick (40,512 posts)
27. Thank you for saying that. It's exactly what I think. OWS was a great success.

Their actions caught on quickly, not only in this country, but around the world. They proved there was a simmering undercurrent ready to revolt. They proved that the Oligarchs were afraid of them, of us, thus the extreme reaction. They also drew out those among us that sympathize with the Oligarchs. Thanks for the post.

I guess I have missed this great revolution.

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Fri Dec 12, 2014, 03:25 PM

 Jackpine Radical (42,461 posts)
10. There is much afoot...


Calling out TheMastersBob?

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Fri Dec 12, 2014, 03:34 PM

 Scuba (41,910 posts)
16. Occupy deserves enormous credit for changing the national conversation from the debt to inequality.

Bulldozed you libs to an amazing victory in the 2014 elections!

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Fri Dec 12, 2014, 04:38 PM

 True Blue Door (1,682 posts)
26. The Tea Party is what it is because conservatives can't think for themselves and don't try.

But progressives are incapable of pursuing a permanent common cause. No matter how distilled the movement becomes, there are always some who are closer to the establishment, and some who are more radical, and the radical side tends to constantly flake off from movements that become politically relevant.

In fact, the more relevant it becomes, the more they see it as "selling out" and desperately want to break away from it - thus depriving it of their energy, and depriving themselves of its legitimacy and practical resources. And no matter how often this pattern is repeated, they never learn from it.

If this were not the case, rebuilding and surpassing the New Deal in this country would be trivially easy. If everyone on the left would just agree that everyone who wants to move in the same direction is on the same side regardless of their ambitiousness, the right has nothing that could possibly compete with that

Seems like "Gimme" is the lefts universal campaign slogan.

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Fri Dec 12, 2014, 06:14 PM

YoungDemCA (3,034 posts)
46. Well said. The Democratic Party is deeply divided...

...which Republicans exploit, of course.

Only because each group wants more "Gimme" then all the rest.

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Fri Dec 12, 2014, 05:10 PM

jimlup (4,769 posts)
36. Only there is a critical difference....

the tea party is just plain stupid. A liberal "version" that was just as stupid wouldn't be particularly helpful though I doubt it would be possible for a liberal version that stupid to develop. Tea Partiers are just on the edge of drooling stupid.

Let me introduce you to www.democraticunderground.com   :)
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Re: The leftist uprising is coming!
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2014, 09:07:01 PM »
Awh shucks!!!! I thought we were going to get to 'weed' the liberal garden of Eden.
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Re: The leftist uprising is coming!
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2014, 09:08:54 PM »
There's already a Communist Party USA, the redistributionist ultra-'Progressives' don't need to splinter off within the DemonRat Party.
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Re: The leftist uprising is coming!
« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2014, 09:13:34 PM »
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'The liberal version of the Tea Party is just waiting to happen'
Yeah, that Coffee Party thing caught on as well as Air America did.
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Re: The leftist uprising is coming!
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2014, 09:17:46 PM »
Wait! What? The Coffee Party didn't neutralize the TEA Party?
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Re: The leftist uprising is coming!
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2014, 09:25:49 PM »
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 rhett o rick (40,512 posts)
27. Thank you for saying that. It's exactly what I think. OWS was a great success.

Their actions caught on quickly, not only in this country, but around the world. They proved there was a simmering undercurrent ready to revolt. They proved that the Oligarchs were afraid of them, of us, thus the extreme reaction. They also drew out those among us that sympathize with the Oligarchs. Thanks for the post.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0L4enq8ei9E[/youtube]

Yep! Phoning it in all around the world!
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20. absolute bullshit. the cave is unspeakably vile.

I don't know how any of you can live with yourselves.

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Re: The leftist uprising is coming!
« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2014, 09:25:53 PM »
Quote from: DumbAss Tanker on December 12, 2014, 09:08:54 PM
There's already a Communist Party USA, the redistributionist ultra-'Progressives' don't need to splinter off within the DemonRat Party.

There's a new Pew/USA Today poll that says 71% are dissatisfied with the way the country is going. 

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Re: The leftist uprising is coming!
« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2014, 09:29:22 PM »
Quote from: Dori on December 12, 2014, 09:25:53 PM
There's a new Pew/USA Today poll that says 71% are dissatisfied with the way the country is going.
Those polls never tell you which side the respondents are on.  It could be full of left wing batshit-crazy people who think Bernie Sanders would make a good President.
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Re: The leftist uprising is coming!
« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2014, 09:35:35 PM »
Here in red state hell, there was a handful of hippies camped out on the sidewalk, joined by every wino in town.

The hippies were looking for dope and tail, and the winos were there to steal the hippies' stuff.

After a while the police cleaned up the mess and it was over.

It was a great movement.
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Re: The leftist uprising is coming!
« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2014, 09:59:17 PM »
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8. The Democratic Party must be purged of the Conservative/Corporatists

Ah, there it is. Like Will Pitt to his own vomit, DUmmies always return to their roots.



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Re: The leftist uprising is coming!
« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2014, 10:17:35 PM »
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I guess I have missed this great revolution.

You must have blinked.
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Re: The leftist uprising is coming!
« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2014, 10:25:26 PM »
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5. A meaningful liberal version of the tea party is unlikely.

First the practical reasons: No unlimited funding from billionaires and no 24/7 media propaganda arm.

Then then the philosophical reason: Liberals aren't sheep who ignore facts and live in a mythological world. A tea party needs sheep who will believe what they are told. TP cohesion is built on adherence to simplistic concepts. It doesn't matter if they are true or not, they must be believed.

Liberal beliefs are much more open to gray areas, that lessens the intensity and focus of the group.

Oh really? Are a DUmmie whose spirit-guide smells like bacon or cigarette smoke?

Or are you the DUmmie that thinks Bush was responsible for the sinking of Atlantis?

Or are you the DUmmie that thinks Bush had an earthquake machine?

I ask the above because I know you're not the DUmmie that thinks its a male cat trapped in a female human's body. That's another DUmmie.

One last question, do you even read DU or do you just post there? Based on your comment I'd have to say the latter rather than the former.

edit: Strike the above. No one can really be as stupid and ignorant as BillZBubb is pretending to be so apparently he is a CCer's mole having fun at DUers' expense. I apologize if I've hindered your crusade at DU.
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Re: The leftist uprising is coming!
« Reply #12 on: December 12, 2014, 10:39:24 PM »
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5. A meaningful liberal version of the tea party is unlikely.

First the practical reasons: No unlimited funding from billionaires and no 24/7 media propaganda arm.
Srsly? 

Lying ass.
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Re: The leftist uprising is coming!
« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2014, 10:45:49 PM »
Quote from: Chris_ on December 12, 2014, 10:39:24 PM
Srsly? 

Lying ass.

That alternate universe thingy I guess.
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Re: The leftist uprising is coming!
« Reply #14 on: December 12, 2014, 10:48:35 PM »
I guess Tom Steyer, George Soros, and the alphabet networks don't exist in this guy's world.
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Re: The leftist uprising is coming!
« Reply #15 on: December 12, 2014, 10:53:31 PM »
Storm the barricades, DUmmies!

I'm your huckleberry.
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Re: The leftist uprising is coming!
« Reply #16 on: December 12, 2014, 11:15:38 PM »
How did the Coffee Party work out for you?

You have the Communist Party.
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Re: The leftist uprising is coming!
« Reply #17 on: December 12, 2014, 11:21:52 PM »
Quote from: Big Dog on December 12, 2014, 10:53:31 PM
Storm the barricades, DUmmies!

I'm your huckleberry.

Well, at least we'd never have to worry about a stand-to half an hour before BMNT, they'd never roust enough hung-over ne'er-do-wells out of their fartsacks to mount an attack before lunch.
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Re: The leftist uprising is coming!
« Reply #18 on: December 12, 2014, 11:26:46 PM »
Quote from: DumbAss Tanker on December 12, 2014, 11:21:52 PM
Well, at least we'd never have to worry about a stand-to half an hour before BMNT, they'd never roust enough hung-over ne'er-do-wells out of their fartsacks to mount an attack before lunch.

Damn considerate of them, isn't it?

 :lmao:

A fella could drink a couple pots of coffee, cut and split a truckload of wood, and eat a pound of bacon before the DUmmies got out their parents' basements.
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Re: The leftist uprising is coming!
« Reply #19 on: December 12, 2014, 11:38:45 PM »
Overt communists have never gained much traction in our country.
It's just unAmerican.
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Re: The leftist uprising is coming!
« Reply #20 on: December 13, 2014, 12:55:53 AM »
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If everyone on the left would just agree that everyone who wants to move in the same direction is on the same side regardless of their ambitiousness, the right has nothing that could possibly compete with that.

Yeah, we got nothing that could compete with that.

Except the truth.

And a whole bunch of ammo.

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Re: The leftist uprising is coming!
« Reply #21 on: December 13, 2014, 01:26:58 AM »
Let's see how the leftist uprisings have gone before:

The Spartacists, led by Rosa Luxemburg and Karl Liebknecht, were a group of radical socialists who found 'fame' in the first few months after the November Armistice when Germany experienced its so-called 'Revolution'.

OK, going well so far...

In December 1918, some of the Spartacists - including Luxemburg and Liebknecht - founded the German Communist Party.

OK, good good...

German government and hugely suspicious of anything that smacked of left-wing political beliefs. Many who had quit the German Army joined the right wing Free Corps (Freikorps). These would have been battle-hardened men who had been subjected to military discipline.

Ooo.... not so good. It's kind of like all the returning vets from Iraq and Afghanistan coming home after the leftists in the Barry administration lost both wars after they fought and bled to win them...

In January 1919, the Communists rose up in revolt in Berlin. In every sense it was a futile gesture against the government. Ebert withdrew his government to the safety of Weimar and allowed the Freikorps and what remained of the regular army to bring peace and stability back to Berlin once again. No mercy was shown to the Spartacists/Communists whose leaders were murdered after being arrested. The Freikorps was better organised and armed - they also had a military background. The majority of the Spartacists were civilians. No-one doubted who would win.

AND that exactly what would happen with a leftist revolt in this country. Well, maybe not the murdered red leaders... maybe...

But... one can hope...
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Re: The leftist uprising is coming!
« Reply #22 on: December 13, 2014, 06:56:37 AM »
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If everyone on the left would just agree that everyone who wants to move in the same direction is on the same side regardless of their ambitiousness, the right has nothing that could possibly compete with that.

Translated, Primitive to English:

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If everyone on the left would just agree with my baffling word salad, we could ruuuuuule the world. MUAHAHAHA!
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Re: The leftist uprising is coming!
« Reply #23 on: December 13, 2014, 07:27:06 AM »
DUmmies are so delusional.  It's not the 60's anymore.  Sex is widely available for free and there's more variety in your choice of drugs.  Combine that with welfare programs and there's not enough initiative for the unwashed to get off the couch much less revolt.
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Re: The leftist uprising is coming!
« Reply #24 on: December 13, 2014, 07:46:39 AM »
Quote from: Big Dog on December 13, 2014, 06:56:37 AM
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If everyone on the left would just agree with my baffling word salad, we could ruuuuuule the world. MUAHAHAHA!

Much like is said of the Irish, if it hadn't been for whiskey, they would have ruled the world,
can be said of the DUmmies, if it hadn't been for the weed.

And the free shit.
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