Nutcase nadin Gives A Lesson In Ethics, EMT Oaths, And America Still Sucks

[GOBUCKS]

Nutcase starts this thread by teaching the DUmpmonkeys on how to properly care for terrorists, based on her enormous body of experience:

Sat Apr 20, 2013, 01:16 PM
nadinbrzezinski (119,008 posts)

"When you hate the perpetrator
You lose a piece of your humanity, and they win."

I was told this many years ago outside the trauma center by a homicide detective, a veteran of the force with seventeen years under his belt.
 
We had just transported a real Boy Scout, directly responsible for at least fifty death, including a five year old who was at the wrong pace that day. Indirectly, he was responsible for hundreds of dead, perhaps up to a thousand. That day, as an enforcer to one of the cartels, he killed four and injured critically six. He was shot by the cops, and I was the lucky ducky to transport this "gent" to the same hospital where two of his victims were in the ER, one on his way to the OR.
 
Every time we have one of these incidents my mind snaps back to that conversation. We took care of this gent, he lived, he went on to trial, where he was convicted and given a long time to think about it in jail. There is yet, not a death penalty in Mexico, and life a the time did not exist. It des now in a couple states.
 
So as hard as this may be, this 19 year old young man committed a horrible crime. He still deserves to be seen as a human being, with rights to a fair trial. Anything else is vigilantism, and I won't let any person who commits a horrible crime win, by letting them get hated by me. Hate consumes your soul, not theirs. So be a little selfish...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022722505

Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 01:20 PM
Cleita (64,163 posts)

2. Part of the oath doctors swear to is to do no harm. That means
giving the best treatment and care you can to both foe and friend. You are not the judge and jury. That will come later.

After combat, nutcase nadin hoses blood, body parts, and entrails from her ambulance:

Response to Cleita (Reply #2)
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 01:25 PM
nadinbrzezinski (119,008 posts)

6. Medics as well
We had a very long discussion on the rights of the acused as I power washed an ambulance and later disinfected it

Here come the bullies!

Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #6)
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 02:05 PM
OhioChick (21,158 posts)

16. Medics do not take The Hippocratic Oath
Furthermore, paramedics and RN's are often used in carrying out the death penalty.

Response to OhioChick (Reply #16)
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 02:07 PM
nadinbrzezinski (119,008 posts)

17. It's not the hipocratic oath
It's an oath designed after WW II. Moreover Red Cross Paramedics take an oath to serve those in need regardless of health, economic ststus, race, national origin and so on and so forth. That is unique to Red Cross personnel around the world, and taken by all personnel.
 
For the record, I did upon graduation.

Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #17)
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 02:16 PM
OhioChick (21,158 posts)

18. I have several paramedics in the family and none have taken any type of "oath."

Response to OhioChick (Reply #18)
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 02:20 PM
nadinbrzezinski (119,008 posts)
20. I will give it to you as soon as it loads.

Paramedic Oath

Be it pledged as an Emergency Care Practitioner, I will honor the physical and judicial laws of God and man. I will follow that regimen which, according to my ability and judgment, I consider for the benefit of patients and abstain from whatever is deleterious and mischievous, nor shall I suggest any such counsel.
 
...blah, blah, blah nadinoath blah...
 
So help me God.

For the record, when I took EMT courses in the US it was in the damn textbook.

Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #20)
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 03:26 PM
OhioChick (21,158 posts)

33. "in the damn textbook?"
Why are you being so nasty?

That oath is from the NAEMT, which is a union and non-certifying body.

It's a union oath!!


The crazy bald dwarf is PISSED!! Once again, she's been shown to be a fool.

Response to OhioChick (Reply #33)
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 03:37 PM
nadinbrzezinski (119,008 posts)

37. I am not being nasty
It was in the textbooks that seems to be a problem I guess.

For the record, the one I took in Mexico was and is....what Red Cross Personnel take around the world.
 
Then again n the 1990s standards of training changed, so ethics might have gone out the window in the US.
 
I know that RED CROSS paramedics and EMTs (don't look at the US, no such critters exist) still take an oath upon graduation.
 
But hey, nothing off my skin, I know it was in my fracking EMT textbook up to 1992 I also know I took, and later administered an oath, and taught a code of professional ethics to my students. Unique to the Red Cross, it included 40 hours in the Geneva Convention. (Yes, our course was longer
 Since it was not just medical procedures)

For the record, when I was issued my EMT Card in California, I was asked to read and sign a form that included that oath.

So you could say I have taken two different oaths in two different countries.

What is done today...it's what is done today.

But yes, medics do take an oath...perhaps not your relatives, but medics do.

Nor did I say it was the hypocratic oath

If you think posting facts is being nasty, may I suggest the ignore button, or trash thread.

Response to OhioChick (Reply #33)
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 03:39 PM
ChromeFoundry (2,824 posts)

38. You are right...
The National Registry of Emergency Medical Technicians (NREMT) is the national certifying body and the only have a Code of Conduct. States base certifications based off the NR guidelines. EMTs and RNs are not required to take an oath of any type at a national or state level.
 
The NAEMT is an organization that represents EMT professionals that pay dues to the organization. They have an oath on their web site that no member actually is sworn into the organization... But then again, I don't know any Paramedic that is a member of this organization, because it is not a requirement of any State licensing agency.

Both of you are going onto the iggy list.


Well, the nutcase lost the EMT argument, so she turns to her go-to subject: America sucks.

Sat Apr 20, 2013, 01:22 PM
nadinbrzezinski (119,008 posts)

4. Beacon, not so much

It's about civilized society.

But the US is no beacon.

Sat Apr 20, 2013, 01:30 PM
nadinbrzezinski (119,008 posts)

11. Not to parse words...American Exceptionalism is bunk
It's an imperial tool.

You know what comes up when others think of the US at present? Guantanamo, Iraq, Abu Graib,

 

Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #11)
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 02:36 PM
Tarheel_Dem (16,372 posts)

22. If what you say is true, then why are we having this big immigration debate? Why are....
people still lining up, by the hundreds of thousands, to get into this un-"exceptional", imperialistic tool of a country?

Response to heaven05 (Reply #23)
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 03:31 PM
Tarheel_Dem (16,372 posts)

35. Well let's hope nadinbrzezinski gets the word out quick, maybe they'll change their minds.....
and we can save this big immigration fight, and move on to more important topics like how we impeccably protect the rights of folks who shoot cops, who toss improvised grenades willy-nilly out of car windows, who use cooking implements to blow people's limbs off, who go on to admit it all to the guy whose car they just jacked at gunpoint.

[FlippyDoo]

Response to OhioChick (Reply #33)
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 03:37 PM
nadinbrzezinski (119,008 posts)

37. I am not being nasty
It was in the textbooks that seems to be a problem I guess.

For the record, the one I took in Mexico was and is....what Red Cross Personnel take around the world.
 
Then again n the 1990s standards of training changed, so ethics might have gone out the window in the US.
 
I know that RED CROSS paramedics and EMTs (don't look at the US, no such critters exist) still take an oath upon graduation.
 
But hey, nothing off my skin, I know it was in my fracking EMT textbook up to 1992 I also know I took, and later administered an oath, and taught a code of professional ethics to my students. Unique to the Red Cross, it included 40 hours in the Geneva Convention. (Yes, our course was longer
 Since it was not just medical procedures)

For the record, when I was issued my EMT Card in California, I was asked to read and sign a form that included that oath.

So you could say I have taken two different oaths in two different countries.

What is done today...it's what is done today.

But yes, medics do take an oath...perhaps not your relatives, but medics do.

Nor did I say it was the hypocratic oath

If you think posting facts is being nasty, may I suggest the ignore button, or trash thread.

Has 'teacher' been added to the expert's resume?

[GOBUCKS]

Has 'teacher' been added to the expert's resume?

To her little grasshoppers she's known as nutcase-sensei.

[JohnnyReb]

I have an "oath" or two for Nadin.....but not here in polite company.

[thundley4]

Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 01:20 PM
Cleita (64,163 posts)

2. Part of the oath doctors swear to is to do no harm. That means
giving the best treatment and care you can to both foe and friend. You are not the judge and jury. That will come later.

Every abortion "doctor" violates his oath when he kills a baby, plus how many women are scarred emotionally after the murder is done?

Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #6)
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 02:05 PM
OhioChick (21,158 posts)

16. Medics do not take The Hippocratic Oath
Furthermore, paramedics and RN's are often used in carrying out the death penalty.

Dr. Gosnell used a 15 year old girl to assist his murders when he violated his oath.

Response to OhioChick (Reply #16)
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 02:07 PM
nadinbrzezinski (119,008 posts)

17. It's not the hipocratic oath
It's an oath designed after WW II. Moreover Red Cross Paramedics take an oath to serve those in need regardless of health, economic ststus, race, national origin and so on and so forth. That is unique to Red Cross personnel around the world, and taken by all personnel.
 
For the record, I did upon graduation.

In other other words, Gnads is full of shit and got caught in another lie so is making up some oath she took.

[franksolich]

It'd probably be a good idea for nadin to shut her yap.

I'm sensing nearly all the primitives are turning on her.

Remember, the primitives don't just kill; they eat too.

[formerlurker]

For the record, when I was issued my EMT Card in California, I was asked to read and sign a form that included that oath.

Hold up.  EMT?  I thought you were a paramedic Nads?  Do you know the difference?

[vesta111]

It'd probably be a good idea for nadin to shut her yap.

I'm sensing nearly all the primitives are turning on her.

Remember, the primitives don't just kill; they eat too.

    Enough food for a pig picken at the State Fair.

I still wonder why she keeps her purse so close to the vest, every pix of her has that purse tucked under her arm and close to her.  Could it be she is carrying heat just in case ????

[formerlurker]

I don't see Nads in the CA registry. 

http://www.centralregistry.ca.gov/Search.aspx

[franksolich]

I don't see Nads in the CA registry. 

http://www.centralregistry.ca.gov/Search.aspx

Oooooops.

For cousin nadin, that is.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

I've been an EMT since '09.

Never took an oath except for my oaths of (re)enlistment.

[franksolich]

Hold up.  EMT?  I thought you were a paramedic Nads?  Do you know the difference?

I thought paramedics were a higher level of emergency medical technicians.

About half the adult males and a third of the adult females in this rural county are EMTs.

But there's only two EMT-Ps, the county sheriff (gotten his training in the army) and the business partner (gotten his training in the navy).  There may be two or three more that I don't know about, but those two telephone numbers are above the 911 listing on this telephone, to be called first.

[franksolich]

I thought paramedics were a higher level of emergency medical technicians.

About half the adult males and a third of the adult females in this rural county are EMTs.

But there's only two EMT-Ps, the county sheriff (gotten his training in the army) and the business partner (gotten his training in the navy).  There may be two or three more that I don't know about, but those two telephone numbers are above the 911 listing on this telephone, to be called first.

Correction: I've just been advised there aren't that many EMTs around here, although per capita the number's high. 

But it's always seemed to me that whenever there's been a problem, there's a whole lot of people running around knowing exactly what to do, and who's doing what.  Well-coordinated.

[formerlurker]

I thought paramedics were a higher level of emergency medical technicians.

About half the adult males and a third of the adult females in this rural county are EMTs.

But there's only two EMT-Ps, the county sheriff (gotten his training in the army) and the business partner (gotten his training in the navy).  There may be two or three more that I don't know about, but those two telephone numbers are above the 911 listing on this telephone, to be called first.

I am pretty sure paramedics are a much higher trained emergency first responder, with all being firemen here in MA (EMTs can be hired by private ambulance outfits).  

I know that any life threatening call goes to paramedics, not EMTs - or paramedics are called in for assist by EMTs.

[franksolich]

I am pretty sure paramedics are a much higher trained emergency first responder, with all being firemen here in MA (EMTs can be hired by private ambulance outfits).  

I know that any life threatening call goes to paramedics, not EMTs - or paramedics are called in for assist by EMTs.

It's probably all regional variations.

Around here, it's EMT, EMT-initial, EMT-another initial, EMT-a third initial, and so on, until EMT-P, which is the highest rank in Nebraska usage.

The neighbor doesn't recall taking an oath, just signing something to agree to comply with medical privacy and confidentiality ethics.  He may have taken some sort of oath, but he doesn't remember it if he did.

[franksolich]

Well, the nutcase lost the EMT argument, so she turns to her go-to subject: America sucks.

America "sucks" only because cousin nadin and others like her are among us.

[formerlurker]

Could be.  I know a few of my town's paramedics.  I am going to ask them next time I see them.

Looks like CA has paramedics from the above link I posted.

[franksolich]

Could be.  I know a few of my town's paramedics.  I am going to ask them next time I see them.

Looks like CA has paramedics from the above link I posted.

Yeah, like I said, it's probably local or regional usage.

But it's nice living in a place where just about every Tom, Dick, and Harry knows a little bit more than rudimentary life-saving and injury-repairing treatment.  It wasn't always this way.  George Bush did a lot for rural medical care.

[Airwolf]

That had to hurt getting slapped down like that. Going to take a day or two for the swelling to go down there El Guapo.

[DumbAss Tanker]

It'd probably be a good idea for nadin to shut her yap.

I'm sensing nearly all the primitives are turning on her.

Remember, the primitives don't just kill; they eat too.

I certainly hope so, that meal would kill them all.

[GOBUCKS]

It always seems that the crazy dwarf uses "EMT" and "paramedic" interchangeably, which casts more doubt on her stories.

I know a two paramedics, and they take a lot of pride in the level of training and expertise required for that designation.

My impression is that paramedic training is much beyond EMT, like the difference between registered nurses and LPNs.

If nadin were legitimate, she'd know that and make the distinction.

I'm pretty confident that if she was ever involved in emergency services, it was not beyond being a driver.

Even that's doubtful, because anyone working on the truck would be aware of the difference between EMT and paramedic, let alone the difficulty she would have reaching the pedals.

Of course, she claims to have worked in the shithole south of Texas, where an ambulance is just a meat wagon.

[DumbAss Tanker]

Of course, she claims to have worked in the shithole south of Texas, where an ambulance is just a meat wagon.

I believe that down there, having butchered a chicken or armadillo for the table qualifies as "OR Tech" experience.

[Big Dog]

I've been an EMT since '09.

Never took an oath except for my oaths of (re)enlistment.

EMT-A, 1984
EMT-P, 1990

National Registry at both levels. Licensed in Nebraska and Missouri.

No oaths.

[Airwolf]

I'm not certain how a combat lifesaver in the military compares to an EMT but the only oaths I had to take was the enlistment oath when I joined up. And years later when it came time to take those classes it was just that with the final being able to give an IV to the patient. Nothing else