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primitives discuss Defense Appropriation Bill
« on: October 07, 2009, 03:12:19 PM »
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6715700

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Orwellian_Ghost  (1000+ posts)        Wed Oct-07-09 08:24 AM
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US Senate Votes 93-7 For WAR MACHINE $$$$- WHERE'S OUR HEALTHCARE MONEY? 

On Tuesday, the US Senate voted by a margin of 93-7 in favor of the 2010 Defense Appropriation bill, which included another $128 billion to fund the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan through September 2010.

Only one of the seven "Nay" votes (Sen. Feingold) was an antiwar vote.

After the House and Senate bills are reconciled, each House will have one more opportunity to vote on this bill. It seems likely that this will occur next week.

For more information:

http://senatus.wordpress.com/2009/10/06/senators-pass-2...

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rurallib  (1000+ posts)        Wed Oct-07-09 08:34 AM
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1. Wouldn't it be wonderful if things were reversed

Senate passes health care bill on a 93-7 vote. Pentagon bill mired in committee.

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joeycola (838 posts)      Wed Oct-07-09 08:43 AM
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2. Dreams are wonderful.

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earthside (1000+ posts)     Wed Oct-07-09 09:04 AM
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3. Revenue Neutral! Revenue Neutral!

Oh, for everything except the war machine ... sorry.

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postulater (1000+ posts)        Wed Oct-07-09 09:36 AM
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4. Yay Feingold!

The sparkling husband primitive:

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Stinky The Clown  (1000+ posts)        Wed Oct-07-09 09:38 AM
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5. My second K&R of the day for one of your posts.

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msongs  (1000+ posts)      Wed Oct-07-09 09:53 AM
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6. the Bush regime continues.......

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spanone  (1000+ posts)      Wed Oct-07-09 09:55 AM
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7. got to feed the killing machine....there is always money for death

Hmmm.  You mean like abortion?

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blindpig (1000+ posts)        Wed Oct-07-09 09:56 AM
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8. What more do ya need to know?
 
The priorities of this administration, this congress, like those of the past, are quite clear.

The skidmarked underwear primitive:

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Skidmore  (1000+ posts)        Wed Oct-07-09 09:57 AM
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9. It's been sent to support the only viable employment program left--miliatary service.

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gopiscrap  (318 posts)        Wed Oct-07-09 10:10 AM
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10. Who were the seven who voted no?

I'd like to call to thank them!!!

The goopy crap primitive doesn't know what it just got into.

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Orwellian_Ghost  (1000+ posts)        Wed Oct-07-09 03:28 PM
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11. Here ya' go 

NAYs ---7

Barrasso (R-WY)
Coburn (R-OK)
DeMint (R-SC)
Enzi (R-WY)
Feingold (D-WI)
Graham (R-SC)
McCain (R-AZ)

Oh my.  What are the primitives to do?
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Re: primitives discuss Defense Appropriation Bill
« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2009, 03:18:02 PM »
I think the Senate added the Hate Crimes Bill or something to it. Or are planning to.
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Re: primitives discuss Defense Appropriation Bill
« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2009, 03:27:11 PM »
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The goopy crap primitive doesn't know what it just got into.

I think he's a troll who knew the answer before he asked the question.
Hilarious - he shut the thread down instantly!
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Re: primitives discuss Defense Appropriation Bill
« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2009, 04:34:25 PM »
OK I just got here....splain to me why my 2 senators voted nay?

If it's because the Dimrats were voting "FOR" a hate crime bill attached to it, then I'm OK with their nay vote.
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Re: primitives discuss Defense Appropriation Bill
« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2009, 04:40:17 PM »
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Orwellian_Ghost  (1000+ posts)        Wed Oct-07-09 03:28 PM
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11. Here ya' go

NAYs ---7

Barrasso (R-WY)
Coburn (R-OK)
DeMint (R-SC)
Enzi (R-WY)
Feingold (D-WI)
Graham (R-SC)
McCain (R-AZ)

My oh my - could a more solid kick in the naughty parts have been delivered intentionally ? I don't think so. I also noticed that this post seems to have doused the bonfire.
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Re: primitives discuss Defense Appropriation Bill
« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2009, 04:46:32 PM »
Golly.  I sure needed that today.  Republicans from Wyoming AND South Carolina?  Gee whiz.  Oh the IRONY!

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Re: primitives discuss Defense Appropriation Bill
« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2009, 04:49:34 PM »
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9. It's been sent to support the only viable employment program left--miliatary service.

 :bird: dirtbag.


I would have NO problem pulling any kind of protection the military provides for you in an effing heartbeat.
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Re: primitives discuss Defense Appropriation Bill
« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2009, 04:56:48 PM »
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Barrasso (R-WY)
Coburn (R-OK)
DeMint (R-SC)
Enzi (R-WY)
Feingold (D-WI)
Graham (R-SC)
McCain (R-AZ)

WTF is this all about?
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Re: primitives discuss Defense Appropriation Bill
« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2009, 04:58:27 PM »
Quote from: formerlurker on October 07, 2009, 04:56:48 PM
WTF is this all about?

The only thing I can think of is that there was some kind of language that was put in there that they objected to.

Either that or their true colors are coming out and they just don't give a flying f*ck anymore about being a Republican.
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Re: primitives discuss Defense Appropriation Bill
« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2009, 05:19:24 PM »
I'm not sure if it was stuff added to it that didn't relate to defense, there was also a lot of defense spending added to it that DOD didn't ask for (Basically corporate/union welfare), like 10 more C-17s than the Air Force wanted, which may have affected some of those votes.
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Re: primitives discuss Defense Appropriation Bill
« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2009, 05:24:44 PM »
Quote from: TxRadioguy on October 07, 2009, 04:58:27 PM
The only thing I can think of is that there was some kind of language that was put in there that they objected to.

Either that or their true colors are coming out and they just don't give a flying f*ck anymore about being a Republican.

Oh now, the senator from Oklahoma and the two senators from Wyoming are true blue conservative Republicans.

I'm suspecting it has something to do with Democrat pork in it, but since the bill was going to pass anyway, they voted against it because of the pork.  If it were closer, I have no doubt they would've voted for it.

Just the usual standard politics.
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Re: primitives discuss Defense Appropriation Bill
« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2009, 05:28:32 PM »
Quote from: TxRadioguy on October 07, 2009, 04:58:27 PM
The only thing I can think of is that there was some kind of language that was put in there that they objected to.

Either that or their true colors are coming out and they just don't give a flying f*ck anymore about being a Republican.
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Inclusion of hate crimes legislation in the bill presents problems getting the final measure through Congress.

If Congress clears the measure, there is a risk President Barack Obama might veto the legislation because negotiators included a provision, opposed by the administration, authorizing the purpose of an alternative engine for the Joint Strike Fighter.

Sen. John McCain of Arizona, ranking Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee and the Senate’s chief Republican negotiator on the bill, said many Republican participants in the negotiations are refusing to sign the final conference report because of the hate crimes legislation, although he signed the report because he believes the bill includes important provisions to support troops and their families and improvements in national security.

The Hate Crimes Prevention Act included in the bill prohibits crimes “based on the actual or perceived race, color, religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability of any person,” according to a Senate Armed Services Committee summary. It also provides federal support for the criminal investigation and prosecution by state and local law enforcement. To give the hate crimes provisions military relevance, it would prohibit attacks on U.S. service members based on the fact they are in the military.

http://www.navytimes.com/news/2009/10/military_defenseauthorization_100709w/#


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The bill, however, would add $1.7 billion for an extra destroyer the Defense Department did not request and $2.5 billion for 10 C-17 cargo planes it did not want, at the behest of lawmakers representing the states where those items would be built.
http://reason.com/blog/2009/09/29/tasty-pork-in-the-defense-bill
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Re: primitives discuss Defense Appropriation Bill
« Reply #12 on: October 07, 2009, 05:34:20 PM »
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Sen. John McCain of Arizona, ranking Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee and the Senate’s chief Republican negotiator on the bill, said many Republican participants in the negotiations are refusing to sign the final conference report because of the hate crimes legislation, although he signed the report because he believes the bill includes important provisions to support troops and their families and improvements in national security.

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Re: primitives discuss Defense Appropriation Bill
« Reply #13 on: October 07, 2009, 05:42:06 PM »
"The Hate Crimes Prevention Act included in the bill prohibits crimes “based on the actual or perceived race, color, religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability of any person,” according to a Senate Armed Services Committee summary. It also provides federal support for the criminal investigation and prosecution by state and local law enforcement."

So, from now on, if you thump a drunk in a bar somewhere....it's a federal case.
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Re: primitives discuss Defense Appropriation Bill
« Reply #14 on: October 07, 2009, 06:04:18 PM »
Quote from: JohnnyReb on October 07, 2009, 05:42:06 PM
"The Hate Crimes Prevention Act included in the bill prohibits crimes “based on the actual or perceived race, color, religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability of any person,” according to a Senate Armed Services Committee summary. It also provides federal support for the criminal investigation and prosecution by state and local law enforcement."

So, from now on, if you thump a drunk in a bar somewhere....it's a federal case.

percieved?? by the assailant or victim?
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Re: primitives discuss Defense Appropriation Bill
« Reply #15 on: October 07, 2009, 08:12:42 PM »
Quote from: IassaFTots on October 07, 2009, 04:46:32 PM
Golly.  I sure needed that today.  Republicans from Wyoming AND South Carolina?  Gee whiz.  Oh the IRONY!

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The ironicness is almost too much! 

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Re: primitives discuss Defense Appropriation Bill
« Reply #16 on: October 07, 2009, 08:17:31 PM »
Quote from: Traveshamockery on October 07, 2009, 08:12:42 PM

The ironicness is almost too much! 

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I  :heart: this ironicness.
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Re: primitives discuss Defense Appropriation Bill
« Reply #17 on: October 07, 2009, 09:05:08 PM »
Quote from: FGL on October 07, 2009, 06:04:18 PM
percieved?? by the assailant or victim?

Neither.  By Eric Holder, I would guess.
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« Reply #18 on: October 07, 2009, 09:33:10 PM »
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Neither.  By Eric Holder, I would guess.
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Re: primitives discuss Defense Appropriation Bill
« Reply #19 on: October 08, 2009, 01:06:10 AM »
Damn! Congress critters would have to look up to see the soles of my shoes! Which BTW they deserve after having been tread upon severely!

Heaven forbid we just take care of our boys, and spend only what they need, without throwing a bunch of gobbledygook, feel good bribery, for some left wing group who don't deserve it, alongside it!

These clowns wouldn't know how to legislate, if they had to forego looking for another stinkin' vote from some minority who thinks they have been wronged!

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Re: primitives discuss Defense Appropriation Bill
« Reply #20 on: October 08, 2009, 01:37:43 AM »
Quote from: JohnnyReb on October 07, 2009, 05:42:06 PM
"The Hate Crimes Prevention Act included in the bill prohibits crimes “based on the actual or perceived race, color, religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability of any person,” according to a Senate Armed Services Committee summary. It also provides federal support for the criminal investigation and prosecution by state and local law enforcement."

So, from now on, if you thump a drunk in a bar somewhere....it's a federal case.

You can send an email to your representatives urging them to take this crap out. Go to AMERICAN FAMILY ASSOCIATION, click on 
Tell Congress to vote “No!” on “thought crimes” bill  and follow the instructions. I suggest subscribing to their email alerts as well.
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Re: primitives discuss Defense Appropriation Bill
« Reply #21 on: October 08, 2009, 03:03:48 AM »
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"The Hate Crimes Prevention Act included in the bill prohibits crimes “based on the actual or perceived race, color, religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability of any person,” according to a Senate Armed Services Committee summary. It also provides federal support for the criminal investigation and prosecution by state and local law enforcement."

No, it doesn't prohibit these types of crimes. It only adds further penalties to something that was already a crime. Whose perception are these increased penalties based on? The victim, the prosecutor, Holder and his minions?

Two guys get into a fight, and it turns out the one getting "his" ass kicked is a gay-trans gendered-Albino - Joooooo.  Then I guess the perp is in for some serious charges.
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Re: primitives discuss Defense Appropriation Bill
« Reply #22 on: October 08, 2009, 08:29:21 AM »
Quote from: ColonialMarine0431 on October 08, 2009, 01:37:43 AM
You can send an email to your representatives urging them to take this crap out. Go to AMERICAN FAMILY ASSOCIATION, click on 
Tell Congress to vote “No!” on “thought crimes” bill  and follow the instructions. I suggest subscribing to their email alerts as well.


Take it out? right. I don't even think they let a GOPer in the room during the Conference on the Stimulus bill. I would not doubt they'd lock them out on this too.
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Re: primitives discuss Defense Appropriation Bill
« Reply #23 on: October 08, 2009, 10:07:02 AM »
sent to all three SEN in Nebraska.
What is cool is they do give you a from letter body, however it is fully editable to whatever you want to put in there.

I used just a few sentences out of the form and wrote what I wanted for the rest.

Three minutes- three e-mails.

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Re: primitives discuss Defense Appropriation Bill
« Reply #24 on: October 08, 2009, 11:54:58 AM »
Quote from: dutch508 on October 08, 2009, 10:07:02 AM
sent to all three SEN in Nebraska.


Nebraska has 3 Senators??
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