It is such a simple premise: Men do not have the right to tell women

[MrsSmith]

CaliforniaPeggy  (1000+ posts)        Sun Apr-19-09 03:32 PM
Original message

It is such a simple premise: Men do not have the right to tell women 
 what they can or cannot do.

But this simple premise runs counter to how men have treated women from time immemorial.

We are seen as property, chattel, breeding machines...

It has to stop, and even though we've made much progress, there is still much to be done.

The death of the 21 year old girl wearing a mini-skirt really triggered me...

My God. What does it take to make things right?

I am outraged on behalf of all exploited women.
 

No one has any clue what Pegs is talking about...but that doesn't bother most of them...

polichick  (1000+ posts)      Sun Apr-19-09 03:37 PM
Response to Original message
2. Women keep most of the world's religions strong...
 Edited on Sun Apr-19-09 03:39 PM by polichick
...sending their children to church, doing the congregation's grunt work, etc. ~ and yet most religions see them as second-class citizens.

imo women have to turn their backs on ALL organizations and individuals who treat us that way.

Women have far more power than we collectively use!

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CaliforniaPeggy  (1000+ posts)        Sun Apr-19-09 03:40 PM
Response to Reply #2
3. Education is very necessary, for women as well as men... 
 Your points are well taken.

So often, women do not realize that they are being treated as second-class citizens. They need to be brought into the light...

 
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 polichick  (1000+ posts)      Sun Apr-19-09 03:46 PM
Response to Reply #3
6. Or they don't want to see - imo there's no excuse for American women...
 ...to NOT see how some religious organizations diss them. imo it's crazy for women to attend Catholic churches or any others where they are not allowed to lead. It's as if they're begging to be treated badly. They even continue to send their precious children after the whole world knows how the church covered for pedophiles. Seems as if the priests could murder their children and women would continue to be the church's enablers.

Religion is one big area where women could make a huge impact overnight!
 

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 Liberal_in_LA  (1000+ posts)      Sun Apr-19-09 03:48 PM
Response to Reply #6
9. I know. I don't understand Baptist, Catholic, ultra ortho Jewish, muslim american women
 How can you keep attending and putting money in the plate. 

Liberal_in_LA  (1000+ posts)      Sun Apr-19-09 05:11 PM
Response to Reply #53
55. back in the 70s these same type of women trashed 'women's libbers' but them all 
 expected to get promotions at work, equal pay etc...And they definitely love their birth control. women like that ride on the backs of progressive women. 

Reterr  (1000+ posts)        Sun Apr-19-09 04:04 PM
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32. I agree but with the caveat that no religious nut (or any other kinda nut)   
 Edited on Sun Apr-19-09 04:06 PM by Reterr
should be able to tell women (or men) what to do.

It is amazing how some women too cling to the chains that bind them. Going by my personal experience here in the south, I would almost be tempted to say that there are a lot more of these self-righteous, pro-life women than even men. Not really, I am sure...
It is probably 50-50, but God some of these women make me sick.

The hypocrisy is amazing too...It never applies to them. Just all those loose, liberal women out there who use abortion as birth-control or something.
Male or female, I feel like telling these loons to take a check.

There is definitely an asymmetry between the genders when it comes to a lot of the psychotic stuff, but I can't ignore the number of nutty, religious women that promote this type of nonsense.
 

For people who don't think men should tell women what to do, they sure spend a lot of time telling women what to do!!   

[franksolich]

Now remember, folks, if you didn't know.

The California Peggy primitive was gender-altered.

[The Village Idiot]

wow.

Islam treats them like nothing and they lash out at every single religion they can think of.

They avoid criticizing Islam directly at all costs don't they?

[USA4ME]

For people who don't think men should tell women what to do, they sure spend a lot of time telling women what to do!!   

Cha-Ching!!

Women speaking inappropriately about other women who don't see things they way they do and, in doing so, treating them as second-class citizens, a type of behavior they claim they are against.  You just can't dream this stuff up any better than these nuts really view it.

Apparently this story of the 21 year old is out of Russia.  Surprise, surprise; it has to do with the Islamic religion.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25331142-12377,00.html

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[DixieBelle]

Oh my. What would our dear friend know about being a woman???

[Mary Ann]

Now remember, folks, if you didn't know.

The California Peggy primitive was gender-altered.

SERIOUSLY?????????????

[Lord Undies]

I see the Little Goons are still busy telling God his design was all wrong. 

[The Village Idiot]

SERIOUSLY?????????????

there are just no normal people over there are there?

[TheSarge]

That's a special mixture of crazy in those posts

[Ralph Wiggum]

That's a special mixture of crazy in those posts

When isn't there?

[TheSarge]

When isn't there?

True...but sometimes...even after all these years there are still times when they just make me say "wow"

[dutch508]

Now remember, folks, if you didn't know.

The California Peggy primitive was gender-altered.

Now, Frank...we don't know that for sure.


do we?



C'peggy, "I was a man once, you can't tell me what to do!"

Is that irony, hypocrisy, or something new...

[MrsSmith]

Now, Frank...we don't know that for sure.


do we?



C'peggy, "I was a man once, you can't tell me what to do!"

Is that irony, hypocrisy, or something new...

Maybe he got tired of being told what to do, therefore the change...surely, in California, the feminists rule all.   

[MrsSmith]

I see the Little Goons are still busy telling God his design was all wrong. 

Just think how upset they would be if they understood that modern psychology is now teaching Biblical principles of marriage. 

[Celtic Rose]

Guess what denizens of DU, you have no more rights to tell me what do than anybody else.  Why the   do you think you have the right to tell me what I should believe, who gave you the right to claim that I am ignorant?  I have never had a man act like my only worth was to give birth to children, or treat me like I was a second class citizen. It is your side that tells people that they are awful for wanting to have more than one child, we just want to keep children from being killed.  How about you actually push for mandatory explanations as to how various birth control methods work.  If you really want to women to have freedom of choice, shouldn't they be informed that the BC pill, patch, nuvaring, IUD, and probably other prevent pregnancy through their abortifacient properties (not all chemical methods, but enough that I would advice women to careful research any method they are considering if they consider life to begin at fertilization).  No, you only care about the women who want to have abortions.  You only care about freedom for the women who agree with you, and the only possible reason to disagree is because we are ignorant.  Well, aren't you enlightened.

Are you DUmmies aware of what happens where women are truly second-class citizens?  China has a huge imbalance between men and women because their culture values men over women (specifically boys over girls), and they restricted the number of allowable children.  In India they have to have orphanages specifically for abandoned girl children.  In Afghanistan girls are afraid to go to school because they could be attacked, and parts of Afghanistan just legalized marital rape.  In Saudi Arabia, women cannot be in public without a male relative.  In Iran (I believe this is right country) and 8 year old girl was just married to a much older man, and the courts said it was perfectly legal.  

And yet, in you little minds, you think that Christianity is the great oppressor.  Some churches are evil because women cannot be pastors or priests, never mind that women are most likely active in every other aspect of the church. If you don't like it, don't go to that church, but how dare you try to tell me how to practice my religion.  

[happy1ga]

Re: It is such a simple premise: Men do not have the right to tell women
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2009, 02:41:15 pm » Quote 

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Now remember, folks, if you didn't know.

The California Peggy primitive was gender-altered.

Oh, Really? From What to What? Besides confused, that is, I am certain that's still in play. And why is he/she/it so worried about abortion? Doesn't sound like it is a personal problem for her/him/it.

[Toastedturningtidelegs]

Now remember, folks, if you didn't know.

The California Peggy primitive was gender-altered.

Frank? Did she actually admit to this on the board somewhere? If so.....link?

[Wineslob]

wow.

Islam treats them like nothing and they lash out at every single religion they can think of.

They avoid criticizing Islam directly at all costs don't they?

Thats not exactly true.......................................................if you don't mind being chattel.

[jtyangel]

Guess what denizens of DU, you have no more rights to tell me what do than anybody else.  Why the   do you think you have the right to tell me what I should believe, who gave you the right to claim that I am ignorant?  I have never had a man act like my only worth was to give birth to children, or treat me like I was a second class citizen. It is your side that tells people that they are awful for wanting to have more than one child, we just want to keep children from being killed.  How about you actually push for mandatory explanations as to how various birth control methods work.  If you really want to women to have freedom of choice, shouldn't they be informed that the BC pill, patch, nuvaring, IUD, and probably other prevent pregnancy through their abortifacient properties (not all chemical methods, but enough that I would advice women to careful research any method they are considering if they consider life to begin at fertilization).  No, you only care about the women who want to have abortions.  You only care about freedom for the women who agree with you, and the only possible reason to disagree is because we are ignorant.  Well, aren't you enlightened.

Are you DUmmies aware of what happens where women are truly second-class citizens?  China has a huge imbalance between men and women because their culture values men over women (specifically boys over girls), and they restricted the number of allowable children.  In India they have to have orphanages specifically for abandoned girl children.  In Afghanistan girls are afraid to go to school because they could be attacked, and parts of Afghanistan just legalized marital rape.  In Saudi Arabia, women cannot be in public without a male relative.  In Iran (I believe this is right country) and 8 year old girl was just married to a much older man, and the courts said it was perfectly legal.  

And yet, in you little minds, you think that Christianity is the great oppressor.  Some churches are evil because women cannot be pastors or priests, never mind that women are most likely active in every other aspect of the church. If you don't like it, don't go to that church, but how dare you try to tell me how to practice my religion.  

I have found that what DUers usually bristle against are the subtle(and not so subtle) obligations that come with being a woman,yet men are supposed to meet and fulfill all theirs while expecting little to nothing in return. It is men in this situation who are little more then slaves.

I think the stop gap for most DUers(when you get past their stereotypes of men and women in a spiritually rich home) is that men also have obligations they are expected to live up to as well. They too, don't always like what they are called to do, yet they do it anyway out of love for their wives and in honor of their marriages. God forbid women should be held to the same standard.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Let's see:

Woman gets pregnant + man  does not want baby + woman wants baby = woman gets child support, man has no voice in the matter

Woman gets pregnant + man wants baby + woman does not want baby = woman has abortion, man has no voice in the matter




Remind me again where the EQUAL rights come in.

[thundley4]

Let's see:

Woman gets pregnant + man  does not want baby + woman wants baby = woman gets child support, man has no voice in the matter

Woman gets pregnant + man wants baby + woman does not want baby = woman has abortion, man has no voice in the matter




Remind me again where the EQUAL rights come in.

Woman allowed to kill child of man.

[DumbAss Tanker]

Hey Peggy:  Shut up, bitch.

 

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Hey Peggy:  Shut up, bitch.

 

And bring me another beer.

And it better be opened this time.

[Lord Undies]

What's to understand is that without the power to abort a pregnancy, a woman has no control over her life.  In order to live up to society's ideas about parenting a woman must give up about twenty years of whoring around and partying, right in the middle of the best years of her life, to properly meet expectations.  Supposedly, men do not have to make this choice, so life is "unfair" to women.  

The thing that amuses me is that most lefty/liberal argument about women's rights is a downright admission that women are weak and cannot handle the really important things in life.  Oh, it's always colored not to appear that way, but when you strip it all down to the seed of logic, that's what you find.  It also appears that women are too weak and inferior to be action figures in their own lives.  They are only and always reacting to outside forces.  Women, according to lefty/liberals, cannot be equals to men on their own.  Women require special considerations and social exemptions in order to appear equal.  

When the lefty/liberals "women rights movement" is surgically dissected it is really quite insulting to everyday American women.

[MrsSmith]

What's to understand is that without the power to abort a pregnancy, a woman has no control over her life.  In order to live up to society's ideas about parenting a woman must give up about twenty years of whoring around and partying, right in the middle of the best years of her life, to properly meet expectations.  Supposedly, men do not have to make this choice, so life is "unfair" to women.  

The thing that amuses me is that most lefty/liberal argument about women's rights is a downright admission that women are weak and cannot handle the really important things in life.  Oh, it's always colored not to appear that way, but when you strip it all down to the seed of logic, that's what you find.  It also appears that women are too weak and inferior to be action figures in their own lives.  They are only and always reacting to outside forces.  Women, according to lefty/liberals, cannot be equals to men on their own.  Women require special considerations and social exemptions in order to appear equal.  

When the lefty/liberals "women rights movement" is surgically dissected it is really quite insulting to everyday American women.

You're absolutely right, Undies.  They do act as though we can't make it without the ability to murder our children and order men around. 

Maybe that's why they hate conservative women so much...so many of us have managed to not only have multiple kids (a litter, I've heard it called), but also finish school, finish college, get a good job, buy a house, and make it just fine with or without a man...though  most of us happily choose to have a man...AND get along with him.