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At this point, I think I'm in favor of the balkanization of the US.
« on: October 06, 2016, 03:46:59 PM »
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At this point, I think I'm in favor of the balkanization of the US.


Split into a number of smaller countries with an EU-style free trade and free travel agreement and a common currency.

Let the red states have their tax cuts for the rich, and let us have social democracy, high-speed trains, green energy, and so on.

With the country split 50-50, nothing happens. It's just gridlock. Nobody gets what they want.

And it's no secret which states want what. At this point, with the exception of a few swing states, we already know how states are going to vote for the presidency, and what kind of conrgresspersons they will send to Washington. Red states and blue states want different things, so why not let everyone have what they want?

And it will also provide for a natural experiment comparing political ideologies. People who think supply side economics actually works, have at it! Then check in 20 years and see how it worked.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028210042

Sounds good to me. BTW, you DUmmies would be climbing the walls to get back into red state hell because your social democracy failed and you need food.
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Re: At this point, I think I'm in favor of the balkanization of the US.
« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2016, 03:49:35 PM »
The left would be the first building walls at that point...the guns would be pointed the same direction they were in Berlin.
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Re: At this point, I think I'm in favor of the balkanization of the US.
« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2016, 04:00:54 PM »
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Re: At this point, I think I'm in favor of the balkanization of the US.
« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2016, 04:16:00 PM »
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Split into a number of smaller countries with an EU-style free trade and free travel agreement and a common currency.

DUmp-monkey must have failed civics. That's exactly what the US was supposed to be... until a bunch of red commie leftist bastards started demanding federal control over everything and ruined it.
They tend to forget the sovereign state thing, most especially when someone doesn't want to issue gay wedding licenses or allow perverts in the womens bathroom.
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Re: At this point, I think I'm in favor of the balkanization of the US.
« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2016, 04:19:42 PM »
He's also not taking into account that almost ALL of the votes they get come from the urban areas.  The inner cities.  The rest of the state would go with us.  They would be kings of ... piles of nothing, and they would have to start from that.

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Re: At this point, I think I'm in favor of the balkanization of the US.
« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2016, 04:19:59 PM »
Quote from: FunkyZero on October 06, 2016, 04:16:00 PM
DUmp-monkey must have failed civics. That's exactly what the US was supposed to be... until a bunch of red commie leftist bastards started demanding federal control over everything and ruined it.
They tend to forget the sovereign state thing, most especially when someone doesn't want to issue gay wedding licenses or allow perverts in the womens bathroom.

Exactly what I was thinking... and when their little social experiment fails, they'll simply blame the conservatives.
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Re: At this point, I think I'm in favor of the balkanization of the US.
« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2016, 04:29:54 PM »
The replys to that thread on the island is a real collection of stupid.

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Re: At this point, I think I'm in favor of the balkanization of the US.
« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2016, 04:50:32 PM »
How are they going to get high speed rail with all the producers high-tailing it for the freer climes? By sending white light and pictures of their hands?
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Re: At this point, I think I'm in favor of the balkanization of the US.
« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2016, 04:54:45 PM »
A sure sign that the DUmmies are worried about a Trump victory...

There are certain things that liberals talk about when a Democrat is president, and they talk about different things when a Republican is.

When a Republican is President, you can guarantee they are ready to divide the country. Whereas they have spent the last nearly 8 years letting conservatives know that Obama is <<OUR>> president, as we conservatives have got to accept it.

Remember this map, DUmmies ?

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Re: At this point, I think I'm in favor of the balkanization of the US.
« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2016, 05:20:10 PM »
I agree with the Dummy's premise, but not the details.

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Split into a number of smaller countries with an EU-style free trade and free travel agreement and a common currency.

**** you. A split's a split. Take your unicorn based currency and cram it, and forget about "free travel". You assholes will need to spend 21 days in quarantine just to make sure you're not bringing the plague into the Free States.

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Let the red states have their tax cuts for the rich, and let us have social democracy, high-speed trains, green energy, and so on.

Are you kidding? You won't need high-speed trains. Not one of your little socialist enclaves will be larger than a bus route. As for "green energy", you'll be saying "Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!" in a week. That's the only "green energy" you'll see.

What are you going to do about the welfare leeches, illegals, and assorted DUmmies who demand to be fed on the DUmmytopia taxpayers' dime, Dummy?  Trillion dollar bills won't buy a loaf of bread- your fellow socialists proved that in Zimbabwe.
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Re: At this point, I think I'm in favor of the balkanization of the US.
« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2016, 05:31:32 PM »
Quote from: USA4ME on October 06, 2016, 04:29:54 PM
The replies to that thread on the island is a real collection of stupid.

A nice neat understatement, there.
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Re: At this point, I think I'm in favor of the balkanization of the US.
« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2016, 06:06:23 PM »
Quote from: Big Dog on October 06, 2016, 05:20:10 PM
I agree with the Dummy's premise, but not the details.

**** you. A split's a split. Take your unicorn based currency and cram it, and forget about "free travel". You assholes will need to spend 21 days in quarantine just to make sure you're not bringing the plague into the Free States.


Don't let the DUmmy fool you -- Yes, it is talking about splitting red/blue.. but that isn't the way it would happen if a DUmmy is in charge. A large blue state or two will be stuffed in the same country as a handful of smaller red states. - making it such that the blue state runs the new country indefinitely. The only problem is Texas. - But it wouldn't surprise me if a DUmmy would dispose of it by giving it to Mexico.

Older primitives still get a special feeling in their shorts when they think about the '80s era miniseries Amerika. - Summary : The US is taken over by the Soviets, is cut up into smaller countries to keep them under Soviet control - Congress is summarily executed, President Reagan ends up in an internment camp in Great Britain, and the last of the rebellious freedom fighters gets snuffed out, leaving the former United States in Soviet control at the end of the series. 

-- And as I mentioned earlier -- here is a series that came out while a Republican was president - which was ultimately about what ? The Balkanization of the United States. Even before DUmmy isle existed, primitives were still making up narratives about destroying the nation because they disagree with the party running it.
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Re: At this point, I think I'm in favor of the balkanization of the US.
« Reply #12 on: October 06, 2016, 06:25:22 PM »
These cretins still think it is 1862 where the south suffered from lack of industrial production and standardized transportation methods.

In 2016 it would only be a matter of weeks before LA,San Fran and NYC were facing food and goods shortages.
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Re: At this point, I think I'm in favor of the balkanization of the US.
« Reply #13 on: October 06, 2016, 06:29:52 PM »
I had been contemplating bringing this over before m/zeit called me for dinner.  Here are the comments at that point for those not wishing to row over:
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citood (310 posts)
1. If you look at the county by county electoral map

For recent national elections, it will become apparent that this is not a difference that is held at the state level.

This is a conflict between large population centers and the surrounding rural areas. Even the deepest blue state is at least 25% red, and vice versa.
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Response to DanTex (Original post)Thu Oct 6, 2016, 02:28 PM
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2. You know in Dallas county it is like 55% dem vs 45% repuke right?

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #2)Thu Oct 6, 2016, 02:41 PM
DanTex (16,147 posts)
5. Yes, I do. And I also know my old hometown of Austin would get screwed in the deal.

Just thinking out loud.
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Response to DanTex (Original post)Thu Oct 6, 2016, 02:35 PM
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3. As much as I like that idea

The divisions in our country are not as cut and dry.
I live in Washington state, which most would consider a very blue state, in many ways it is but in some ways it is not. The Cascades are a very real divide here... King county (county that includes Seattle) is the main reason our state is blue.
In the 2012 election Washington went for Obama 52/48

I actually worry how many votes Johnson and Stein will pull from Clinton here (as Washington went heavily for Sanders and has a disportionate number of "Bernie or bust" people)...depending on what that number is could determine who takes Washington's EV.

Many are working hard here to help Clinton win, including me, but no one should assume Washington is a blue state until election results are in.

My point is that our country is in a intractable mess and are only hope for resolution is that our children are smarter than us.
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Response to angrychair (Reply #3)Thu Oct 6, 2016, 03:35 PM
Star Member Aristus (37,638 posts)
26. Regarding the subject of the OP, re: Balkanization - I think if we actually became

the Republic of Cascadia, the Washington State portion of the republic would just be west of the Cascades. The eastern portion of the state would probably join Idaho in whatever permutation of Balkan-style state they wanted.

I just spent last weekend in Spokanistan. I couldn't believe all the Trump posters I saw...
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Response to DanTex (Original post)Thu Oct 6, 2016, 02:40 PM
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4. One of our biggest problems is the lack of equality in our representation

A state like North Dakota gets a congressional representative at the rate of let's say 1 in 225,000. On the other hand, a place like New York gets one representative for like every 700,000 citizens.
And both states have two Senators.
How is this equal?
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Response to world wide wally (Reply #4)Thu Oct 6, 2016, 02:42 PM
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6. It's not suppose to be equal

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Response to NobodyHere (Reply #6)Thu Oct 6, 2016, 02:46 PM
world wide wally (5,587 posts)
8. That's a shame

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Response to world wide wally (Reply #8)Thu Oct 6, 2016, 02:55 PM
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10. No its not.

It how our country has remained stable since the end of the Civil War while so many have came to pieces.
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Response to former9thward (Reply #10)Thu Oct 6, 2016, 03:01 PM
DanTex (16,147 posts)
12. So you're in favor of unequal representation? Seriously?

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Response to DanTex (Reply #12)Thu Oct 6, 2016, 03:08 PM
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13. That's what the House is for Dan

You may not like it, but it's an effective counter-weight and a brilliant strategy.

It's not supposed to be fair, it's supposed to work. And it's allowed this grand experiment to work for over 200 years.

YMMV of course.
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Response to R.A. Ganoush (Reply #13)Thu Oct 6, 2016, 03:15 PM
DanTex (16,147 posts)
17. Yup, genius to under-represent people in Queens and over-represent people in Wyoming.

The same kind of genius that brought us Jim Crow.
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Response to DanTex (Reply #17)Thu Oct 6, 2016, 03:27 PM
R.A. Ganoush (96 posts)
21. How is that though when NY has more representation

In the House than Wyoming?
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Response to R.A. Ganoush (Reply #21)Thu Oct 6, 2016, 03:28 PM
DanTex (16,147 posts)
23. Because there are more people in NY.

Wyoming has more representation than my household. Same reason. I guess it would be fun if my household got 2 senators and one representative, but it wouldn't be fair, and I wouldn't pretend that it was.
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Response to DanTex (Reply #17)Thu Oct 6, 2016, 04:00 PM
ileus (14,728 posts)
30. Then convince the people of Wyoming they shouldn't get a say.

and see how that turns out...


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Response to ileus (Reply #30)Thu Oct 6, 2016, 04:02 PM
DanTex (16,147 posts)
32. They should get a say. The same amount of say as people in Queens.

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Response to DanTex (Reply #17)Thu Oct 6, 2016, 04:12 PM
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35. Oh my.....

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Response to DanTex (Reply #12)Thu Oct 6, 2016, 03:18 PM
MicaelS (6,307 posts)
18. So if you get you way..

Why have Senators at all? Just have a unicameral House.

You ought to know the reason the Founders set things up the way they did. They were terrified of mob rule and what happened in Rome. And they did not want he large population centers to dominate the country.

And yes, I'm quite happy with the way things are. Seriously. I like having a bicameral system. Fix the gerrymandering problem, yes, but leave the rest alone.


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DanTex (16,147 posts)
19. Good point. We probably shouldn't have senators at all.

We should have a proportional representation parliamentary system.

The founders were wealthy slave owners who wanted to look out for the rights of wealthy slave owners.

I'm sure a lot of them would be thrilled that low-population states with virtually no minorities get far more influence than urban states with higher AA and latino populations. What is strange is that people on a progressive message board are also happy about that.

Would you feel the same way if Queens and the Bronx had 20 times more senators per capita than Wyoming and North Dakota? Hmm.
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Response to DanTex (Reply #19)Thu Oct 6, 2016, 03:42 PM
MicaelS (6,307 posts)
29. Did you read what I wrote?

I like the system as is. So A BIG FAT ****ING NO!!!! to more Senators.

No matter how many ways you ask "have you stopped beating your wife" type questions, I do not agree with you, period.
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Response to MicaelS (Reply #29)Thu Oct 6, 2016, 04:01 PM
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31. Of course you like the system the way it is. It serves your interests.

You don't live in Queens, so what benefit would it be to you personally if people in Queens had equal representation in the government?
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33. Assume you keep the Senate at 2 per state.

How does that make representation in the house fair?

And the other form of obstruction is the filibuster. It is far too easy for one single Senator to block something 59 Senators may favor by simply filling out a form.
No wonder Congress is so dysfunctional . To top it all off, their approval rating is in single digits and yet incumbents win 95% of the time.
And while we're at it, Texas gets to rewrite our history textbooks because they have a large proportion of school age children (sales = profit... Texas = Republican)
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Response to world wide wally (Reply #4)Thu Oct 6, 2016, 02:46 PM
DanTex (16,147 posts)
9. Yup, that's a huge problem.

I worked out the math with a friend once. If NYC had the same per capita representation in the senate as Wyoming, there would be 10 senators from Brooklyn, 9 senators from Queens, 6 from Manhattan, 5 from the Bronx, and 2 from Staten Island. Total of 32.

Give or take.

I'm thinking if that were the case, the GOP would be pretty anxious to make things more equitable.
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Response to world wide wally (Reply #4)Thu Oct 6, 2016, 03:12 PM
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15. The reason the Senate is divided the way it is is to make sure

states with large populations do not run roughshod over states with small populations. The House is designed to give weight to those with large populations.
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Response to world wide wally (Reply #4)Thu Oct 6, 2016, 03:32 PM
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25. On thing that should be done is the repeal of Permanent Apportionment Act of 1929...

Which fixed the number of Representatives to 435, leading to the absurdity that you are pointing out. The country has nearly tripled in population and has added 2 states since then. That means that, before factoring in population growth, the House permanently lost at least 2 representatives. All you need to do to lose representation in the House is have slightly slower population growth, that's it, in the next census, you are less represented. Its undemocratic, I believe its unconstitutional, and indefensible.
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Response to DanTex (Original post)Thu Oct 6, 2016, 02:45 PM
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7. It's all moving our direction.

For all the negative shit that's around us we really do need to acknowledge that shit is sliding inexorably our way, and has been doing so for a while now. Purple states are bluing and red states are purpling.
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11. What?

The GOP now holds more seats in Congress and the state legislatures than they did in the 1920s.
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Response to former9thward (Reply #11)Thu Oct 6, 2016, 03:11 PM
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14. A rational mind realizes both premises may validly exist simultaneously.

"Purple states are bluing and red states are purpling..."
"The GOP now holds more seats in Congress and the state legislatures than they did in the 1920s."

A rational mind realizes both premises may validly exist simultaneously, despite petulance for its own sake attempting to convince one otherwise. 
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Response to former9thward (Reply #11)Thu Oct 6, 2016, 03:23 PM
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20. People blur the Presidency with actual governing.

The DNC made that mistake too, which led to having a R majority in the House.

As capeable as PBO was and is, he was not able to govern by himself. That's a good thing, but it also illuminated how dysfunctional and obstruction minded the GOP is at the national level. Without some serious Democratic headway made in the House and Senate, I'm HRC encountering much of the same resistance that Obama has faced.
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Response to former9thward (Reply #11)Thu Oct 6, 2016, 04:56 PM
Codeine (17,915 posts)
36. Demographics are demographics.

The GOP is doomed. One can only gerrymander an unrepresentative majority for so long.

We won the culture war as well. That shit is done.
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Response to Codeine (Reply #36)Thu Oct 6, 2016, 05:00 PM
Star Member former9thward (17,367 posts)
37. If demographics are demographics then we should be gaining seats not losing them.

That argument (which I have heard for decades) makes no sense.
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Response to DanTex (Original post)Thu Oct 6, 2016, 03:15 PM
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16. No state budget alone can pay for all we get from the federal government.

A better idea is to turn the whole country blue
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22. Well, I wouldn't mind if my county became a state.

We don't have congressional representation here
because of gerrymandering.
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34. +1 !

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Response to DanTex (Original post)Thu Oct 6, 2016, 03:31 PM
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24. So, where do Iowa and North Carolina fit in?

12 years ago, Virginia and Colorado were considered part of the GOP red wall, now they're part of our blue wall.

After 2012 Iowa looked like a Blue State and NC looked like a Red state.

They're looking the opposite now.

And what the heck is the deal with Ohio?
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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #24)Thu Oct 6, 2016, 03:36 PM
DanTex (16,147 posts)
27. Good questions. I don't have the answers. But I'm sick of being held back by the GOP.

The real reason we haven't made the progress we should have in the last decades is the GOP. That's the only reason. It's obvious.

Even if (when) Hillary wins, it will be more gridlock and incremental progress. It's so obvious what we need to do. But we can't.

Yeah, I get that there are purple states. But I'm sick of getting dragged down by the red ones.
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28. No. I want it all!!

Every state.

Let them move off the grid in huts made of sticks.

Apparently ole Dan-tax waxed his weenie a little too much during civics class. What a buffoon. :rotf:
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Re: At this point, I think I'm in favor of the balkanization of the US.
« Reply #14 on: October 06, 2016, 06:51:49 PM »
We already have a country where less then a dozen urban centers have an unfair influence on the direction of the rest of the population and they are still not happy because the rest of the country stands in the way.

The left always wants absolute tyranny.
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Re: At this point, I think I'm in favor of the balkanization of the US.
« Reply #15 on: October 06, 2016, 06:56:49 PM »
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At this point, I think I'm in favor of the balkanization of the US.


Split into a number of smaller countries with an EU-style free trade and free travel agreement and a common currency.

Let the red states have their tax cuts for the rich, and let us have social democracy, high-speed trains, green energy, and so on.

With the country split 50-50, nothing happens. It's just gridlock. Nobody gets what they want.

And it's no secret which states want what. At this point, with the exception of a few swing states, we already know how states are going to vote for the presidency, and what kind of conrgresspersons they will send to Washington. Red states and blue states want different things, so why not let everyone have what they want?

And it will also provide for a natural experiment comparing political ideologies. People who think supply side economics actually works, have at it! Then check in 20 years and see how it worked.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028210042

Works for me dummie.  We could fund the new Conservative States of America by selling the Degenerate States of America food and electrical power and taxing the shit out of it... and you would pay it.  You would gladly pay it when your belly is empty and you are sitting in the dark looking at your electric yugo by the curb. 
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Re: At this point, I think I'm in favor of the balkanization of the US.
« Reply #16 on: October 06, 2016, 08:04:50 PM »
I take it that DU-folk anticipate The CHILL and their Prog ideology will be rejected by voters?
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Re: At this point, I think I'm in favor of the balkanization of the US.
« Reply #17 on: October 06, 2016, 08:30:12 PM »
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4. One of our biggest problems is the lack of equality in our representation

A state like North Dakota gets a congressional representative at the rate of let's say 1 in 225,000. On the other hand, a place like New York gets one representative for like every 700,000 citizens.
And both states have two Senators.
How is this equal?

Oh, let's ... say?!?!?!

Idiot. 
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Re: At this point, I think I'm in favor of the balkanization of the US.
« Reply #18 on: October 06, 2016, 08:37:08 PM »
Quote from: SVPete on October 06, 2016, 08:04:50 PM
I take it that DU-folk anticipate The CHILL and their Prog ideology will be rejected by voters?

I think they know that MANY of the MSM polls are seriously skewed, but fear mentioning that in the Romper Room.  Everyone I've talked to has seen the same as I.  Trump signs everywhere.  The only Clinton anything I've seen is one bumper sticker on the Interstate, passing through, about two months ago.


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14. A rational mind realizes both premises may validly exist simultaneously.

"Purple states are bluing and red states are purpling..."
"The GOP now holds more seats in Congress and the state legislatures than they did in the 1920s."

A rational mind realizes both premises may validly exist simultaneously, despite petulance for its own sake attempting to convince one otherwise.
 

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Governorships?

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Liberal thinking is a two-legged stool and magical thinking is one of the legs, the other is a combination of self-loating and misanthropy.  To understand it, you would have to be able to sit on that stool while juggling two elephants, an anvil and a fragmentation grenade, sans pin.

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Re: At this point, I think I'm in favor of the balkanization of the US.
« Reply #19 on: October 06, 2016, 08:56:09 PM »
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Split into a number of smaller countries with an EU-style free trade and free travel agreement and a common currency.
NO. No common currency. The liberals would immediately print so much money that the common currency would be worthless in 6 months.

We'll have our own currency, thank you.
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Re: At this point, I think I'm in favor of the balkanization of the US.
« Reply #20 on: October 06, 2016, 09:09:42 PM »
Quote from: I_B_Perky on October 06, 2016, 06:56:49 PM
Works for me dummie.  We could fund the new Conservative States of America by selling the Degenerate States of America food and electrical power and taxing the shit out of it... and you would pay it.  You would gladly pay it when your belly is empty and you are sitting in the dark looking at your electric yugo by the curb.

funny, I was thinking the same thing. All the food and that nasty coal the love to hate will all be on our side of the fence. The billowing smoke from our generators might fog out our view of their windmills and rolling blackouts while they are stabbing each other over an ear of corn.
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Re: At this point, I think I'm in favor of the balkanization of the US.
« Reply #21 on: October 06, 2016, 10:53:55 PM »
Quote from: FunkyZero on October 06, 2016, 09:09:42 PM
funny, I was thinking the same thing. All the food and that nasty coal the love to hate will all be on our side of the fence. The billowing smoke from our generators might fog out our view of their windmills and rolling blackouts while they are stabbing each other over an ear of corn.

I think I may have to call the Doctor in about four hours.   :)
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Liberal thinking is a two-legged stool and magical thinking is one of the legs, the other is a combination of self-loating and misanthropy.  To understand it, you would have to be able to sit on that stool while juggling two elephants, an anvil and a fragmentation grenade, sans pin.

"Accuse others of what you do." - Karl Marx

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Re: At this point, I think I'm in favor of the balkanization of the US.
« Reply #22 on: October 07, 2016, 12:16:44 AM »
Quote from: 98ZJUSMC on October 06, 2016, 10:53:55 PM
I think I may have to call the Doctor in about four hours.   :)

I went back there to read all the new comments.

My head hurts from the retardity of the primitives.
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Re: At this point, I think I'm in favor of the balkanization of the US.
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52. I think your state-by-state idea is excellent. As for those who prefer the county-by-county one,

let me say this: The heavy-population counties wouldn't be able to survive as such,
because they wouldn't have enough land for farming. They'd be forced to depend on the
low-population counties for food, water ..... etc. ..... They'd be doomed before long.

With the state-by-state option, I think eventually many, if not most, of the liberally
minded people in the red states would sooner or later move into the blue states, and
conversely, conservative people in the blue states would move over into the red ones.

It will take some time, but eventually the blue states will be prospering, and the people
living in the red ones will be going through their own self-made hell. Only then will
some of them begin to question their own values. As for the diehards, well, nothing
will help them change.

The possibility of some hungry and angry red state making war on a prosperous blue
neighbor is there, of course. And so are other more pleasant possibilities: when they
see almost all the blue states doing well, and all the red states not doing well at all,
they might begin to demand change from their big business over-lords.

You recognize the obvious and then in an instant run away from it.
I would love the idea as the entire northeast urban cesspool would be starving by March.
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Re: At this point, I think I'm in favor of the balkanization of the US.
« Reply #24 on: October 07, 2016, 07:04:22 AM »
Quote from: franksolich on October 07, 2016, 12:16:44 AM
I went back there to read all the new comments.

My head hurts from the retardity of the primitives.

 :hammer: They're like 7YOs threatening to take their bat & ball and go home if they don't get their way. :hammer:

(7-year-olds of America, I apologize!)
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If, as anti-Covid-vaxxers claim, https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2021/robert-f-kennedy-jr-said-the-covid-19-vaccine-is-the-deadliest-vaccine-ever-made-thats-not-true/ , https://gospelnewsnetwork.org/2021/11/23/covid-shots-are-the-deadliest-vaccines-in-medical-history/ , The Vaccine is deadly, where in the US have Pfizer and Moderna hidden the millions of bodies of those who died of "vaccine injury"? Is reality a Big Pharma Shill?

Millions now living should have died. Anti-Covid-Vaxxer ghouls hardest hit.
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