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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: franksolich on April 08, 2010, 12:26:27 PM
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=276x10405
Oh my.
This is a continuation of two earlier campfires by the subway cat, in which case she objects to someone only mildly mentally ill being grouped with her, seriously mentally ill.
undergroundpanther (1000+ posts) Wed Apr-07-10 06:25 PM
THE SUBWAY CAT, #04 TOP PRIMITIVE OF 2009
Original message
The nazi is out/trauma
He ended up going awol,taking the 25 yr old client with him.
She ended up on a psych unit,as for the nazi,he's in jail.
The client who ran with him is back at the prp,and I hear the story,another client lost 40 bucks,and it was a nightmare.
Today I went to a conference on trauma aware psych care.They used the ACES STUDY!!! They were saying some of the same stuff I have been writing about for I dunno how long.
Anyway,the lady(forgot her name)but she has alot of degrees,speaking and running this thing was amazing.At the first break I was so happy, I told her I knew about the aces study too and have been writing online about these issues for awhile,and I asked to hug her because I didn't feel like I was alone yelling into a tornado for once.
She blew my gourd when she told us she wanted my BF and I to get on board with them, she said they need people who are experinced in trauma/ gender issues and alternative cultures to be part of trying to educate therapists PRP's and whatever else there is in treatment land gone awry to be trauma aware. Which means getting shrinks and programs and wardens and whoever else to understand what lateral social networks create instead of relying on horizontal authoritarian structures that atre a set up designed to abuse people,among tons of other stuff.
I told her if the things she is talking about get understood and heard and applied it won't just totally change the psych system or the justice system, it will change the ****ing world, it will change everything..Make the world worth living in.
I hope this thing is as kickass as it seems to be.
No primitives at this campfire. Alas! poor lonely campfire! alas!
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The other DUmmies don't want to come out and admit they are insane like the Kat.
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If the panther gets the world changed to the point that she thinks it's worth living..... I'm buying enough Chinese bottle rockets to blast my ass to another planet.
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Yep, out to change the world, one bag of Cheetos at a time...
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Ad Bot in her post
(http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/imgad?id=CN27wci3mvCfSRCsAhjvATIIK9X63USJA5c)
Unfortunately for UGP, the treatment facility that placed that ad is "private pay" only. She should be outraged that such a place exists.
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She doesn't want a Bridge to Recovery, she wants affirmation.
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Classic adbot mock!
Note the psychobabble:
to understand what lateral social networks create instead of relying on horizontal authoritarian structures that atre a set up designed to abuse people
And we all know unstable freaks in the "helping professions" who employ this babble. Subwaycat is picking it up here, in her snakepit, for use when she begins her career as a "counselor."
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Gotta love Adbot. :rotf:
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I'm pretty sure I'm goin' to be sick!
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The panther can live in this for the duration of the study.
(http://www.guineapigcages.com/photos/data/508/medium/1rice56-R1-16.jpg)
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Today I went to a conference on trauma aware psych care.They used the ACES STUDY!!! They were saying some of the same stuff I have been writing about for I dunno how long.
So at a conference on trauma aware psych care they were saying stuff about: 1) ghost chickens, 2) remote viewing by drinking organic pineapple juice, 3) being a male cat trapped in a female body, 4) astral traveling to panther mountain to run and frolic with the spirit panthers, 5) cutting boobies off, 6) not working for a living and making the government foot the bill.
Wow. Must have been interesting.
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I was doing a search on youtube and a video of a transgendered "girl" popped up as one of the results. Actually, I can't tell if this person has transitioned yet or not but I feel really sorry for her. She is obviously a little "slow" mentally but it is really sad. She talks about how lonely she is and how she has no friends. How she thinks of suicide frequently because she constantly feels rejected. She actually asks people on her video if someone would hang out with her and she will give them her phone number.
I know that UGP is a DUmmie but after watching this pitifully sad video I feel seriously bad for UGP. Not only does UGP think she is a male but a male cat. Watch the video of this person, really listen to how sad and lonely this person is. UGP is in even worse shape than this person, I can't imagine what happened in someone's life to make them as screwed up as UGP.
Please don't comment on this person's video on youtube. I'm not posting it so that people can ridicule her, I'm posting it so we can have a glimpse into what it must be like to be UGP. UGP is obviously a lot angrier and combative than this person which makes it a little harder to feel bad for her. UGP is "in your face", while this person seems meek and sad. I'm also not saying you have to condone this but just to have a little empathy.
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I don't think that is a she.
No matter what it does to itself, its never going to be a she.
period.
Oops, can't do that either.
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That ain't no girl. He needs an adams appledecktomy :-)
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I don't think that is a she.
No matter what it does to itself, its never going to be a she.
period.
Oops, can't do that either.
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I almost didn't post this video because of you. She...he.....HE thinks he is a SHE. He/she is obviously messed up in the head but I posted this video so that maybe we could show a little empathy for people like this. Again, I didn't say condone it, I asked that we have a little empathy. Something that I'm finding you have little of.
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He can call himself a she all he wants. My problem is that we should not be encouraging his mental illness and treating it as if its okay.
Why should we affirm something thats not real?
Shouldn't we be trying to find a way to repair the problem instead?
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That ain't no girl. He needs an adams appledecktomy :-)
Obviously you can tell "she" is a he. The point of me posting it is to listen to the person and hear how sad they are and just how screwed up they are. After I posted the video I watched other video's by this person when he was just starting on hormone therapy. This is a very troubled person and UGP is even more screwed up. That was my point.
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He can call himself a she all he wants. My problem is that we should not be encouraging his mental illness and treating it as if its okay.
Why should we affirm something thats not real?
Shouldn't we be trying to find a way to repair the problem instead?
Where did I say to treat is as if it's ok? I said try to have empathy for a person who obviously has a mental illness. Sometimes I think we forget about that part when we tear UGP apart. I am guilty of it too. I am not saying ignore her idiotic posts but I do think we need to remember that she is more screwed up than the avg. DU'er.
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Shouldn't you be calling her a he? She believes she is a gay male cat after all.
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Shouldn't you be calling her a he? She believes she is a gay male cat after all.
Zing
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Obviously you can tell "she" is a he. The point of me posting it is to listen to the person and hear how sad they are and just how screwed up they are. After I posted the video I watched other video's by this person when he was just starting on hormone therapy. This is a very troubled person and UGP is even more screwed up. That was my point.
There's a big difference between a screwed up person, as shown in the vid and someone like UGP, who would force their entire life style on the world as normal. If this person joined DU and demanded world wide acceptance, S/he would be open to all kinds of deserved ridicule.
I made no comment on the youtue page. As you requested.
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You know FGL, the reason I posted this video wasn't to say that he was a she. It was for others to listen to the video and hear how sad and screwed up the person is. You focused on me calling him a "she". You didn't even watch the video because you responded too quickly to have watched it. You seem to be so rabid with your response sometimes. The last time we had a disagreement you posted passive/aggressive comments in other threads about it. I don't understand why you take disagreement so personally.
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Uh, you do know as a civilization we have come to actually accept this kinda psychosis, right, Beg?
In days gone by, they would have put he/she/it, outa our misery. I have a real hard time figuring out what happens in one's life to screw you up this drastically.
You have to want to be helped. Help, in my definition, does not include normal folk accepting you are a male cat trapped in human form and having your hand out for more deductions from my hard earned money.
You wanna be a cat, no sweat! Why the hell should I have to pay for your psychosis?
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There's a big difference between a screwed up person, as shown in the vid and someone like UGP, who would force their entire life style on the world as normal. If this person joined DU and demanded world wide acceptance, S/he would be open to all kinds of deserved ridicule.
I made no comment on the youtue page. As you requested.
True and I commented on the fact that UGP is "in your face" while this person is just sad and screwed up. I see your point that UGP is open to ridicule and I think I was just feeling sorry for the other person and that transferred to UGP.
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Uh, you do know as a civilization we have come to actually accept this kinda psychosis, right, Beg?
In days gone by, they would have put he/she/it, outa our misery. I have a real hard time figuring out what happens in one's life to screw you up this drastically.
You have to want to be helped. Help, in my definition, does not include normal folk accepting you are a male cat trapped in human form and having your hand out for more deductions from my hard earned money.
You wanna be a cat, no sweat! Why the hell should I have to pay for your psychosis?
Again, I didn't say condone it. Empathy for someone isn't condoning their actions. In any event, Tucker pointed out that UGP opens herself to ridicule to which I agreed/
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to understand what lateral social networks create instead of relying on horizontal authoritarian structures that atre a set up designed to abuse people
That works in a 12-step program like AA, but for someone with a Cobb salad of personality disorders like Subway Kitty it's tantamount to letting the inmates run the asylum. They just feed into one another's neuroses.
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Uh, you do know as a civilization we have come to actually accept this kinda psychosis, right, Beg?
In days gone by, they would have put he/she/it, outa our misery. I have a real hard time figuring out what happens in one's life to screw you up this drastically.
You have to want to be helped. Help, in my definition, does not include normal folk accepting you are a male cat trapped in human form and having your hand out for more deductions from my hard earned money.
You wanna be a cat, no sweat! Why the hell should I have to pay for your psychosis?
Abuse, especially sexual abuse, can really mess with people's heads. I firmly believe that a vast number of homosexuals and transgendered people were abused in their past, or they had something else happen to them that messed with their heads. That is one reason why I am so opposed to treating their behavior as "normal." I don't believe in mistreating them, or mocking them, but I think that psychological treatment may help in many cases. However, for any psychological treatment to work, the patient has to believe that there is a problem that can be solved. If society tells them that they normal in their feelings, then they have no reason to want to resolve their issues.
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Abuse, especially sexual abuse, can really mess with people's heads. I firmly believe that a vast number of homosexuals and transgendered people were abused in their past, or they had something else happen to them that messed with their heads. That is one reason why I am so opposed to treating their behavior as "normal." I don't believe in mistreating them, or mocking them, but I think that psychological treatment may help in many cases. However, for any psychological treatment to work, the patient has to believe that there is a problem that can be solved. If society tells them that they normal in their feelings, then they have no reason to want to resolve their issues.
Exactly! UGP thinks we're the one's off our rocker because we just won't accept that nature intended her to climb trees and pounce on rodents!
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Exactly! UGP thinks we're the one's off our rocker because we just won't accept that nature intended her to climb trees and pounce on rodents!
Oh now, sir, I have a vivid imagination, a wide imagination, a colorful imagination, but damn, the imagination doesn't stretch far enough to imagine a fat chunky 43-year-old woman climbing trees and pouncing on rodents.
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Again, I didn't say condone it. Empathy for someone isn't condoning their actions. In any event, Tucker pointed out that UGP openers herself to ridicule to which I agreed/
I agree with what you were saying BEG. You can have empathy and sympathy for someone who is mentally ill.
I also think UGP is beyond most DUers.
The stuff she posts on DU is not really about politics or extreme views that are just crazy like the rest of them, her stuff is a symptom of a serious mental illness.
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Oh now, sir, I have a vivid imagination, a wide imagination, a colorful imagination, but damn, the imagination doesn't stretch far enough to imagine a fat chunky 43-year-old woman climbing trees and pouncing on rodents.
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If society tells them that they normal in their feelings, then they have no reason to want to resolve their issues.
Dang, you have no empathy. You cold hearted, sadistic... oh wait, I agree with what you wrote.
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You know FGL, the reason I posted this video wasn't to say that he was a she.
I'm tempted to go back and count. It was for others to listen to the video and hear how sad and screwed up the person is.
I could see that within seconds. I have my own problems that I don't mention and I don't think society should affirm them as normal and fund my life.
You focused on me calling him a "she". I don't understand why you take disagreement so personally.
How do you know I'm not screwed up? Have some empathy for me. :p
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I agree with what you were saying BEG. You can have empathy and sympathy for someone who is mentally ill.
I also think UGP is beyond most DUers.
The stuff she posts on DU is not really about politics or extreme views that are just crazy like the rest of them, her stuff is a symptom of a serious mental illness.
I also understand when some need a hand up, but most I have encountered across the web want us to pay for their transformation, accept it as Darwin, and foot the bill for their existence! If that is indeed the case, can we put them in a zoo?
UGP does nothing to try and deal with her delusions, she wants us to start callin' her "kitty", then she'll be cured in her mind!
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I'm tempted to go back and count.
I could see that within seconds. I have my own problems that I don't mention and I don't think society should affirm them as normal and fund my life.
How do you know I'm not screwed up? Have some empathy for me. :p
Oh I do have empathy for you, that is why I try to avoid commenting on your "issues".
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Good grief, I have little idea what all the physio babble is about.
You know it occurs to me that all the gender problems are not unlike the problems that some men and woman have over outside appearances in Heteros.
Woman somehow think that if they get a face lift people will love them more, Men spend years at a gym to alter their body structure so people will love and admire them.
The sad part is that no matter what they do to alter their looks or life style, they are deep down the same person. These people simply will not except what and/or who they are. If they are a crappy, unhappy, disagreeable person, getting bigger boobs or a 6 pack abs does nothing to change them.
When it comes to the point that they find that a nose job or bulging muscles will not make them more popular, they become confused and attempt to justify their problem by demanding others to play into their delusions, their choices and for fill their needs.
I think---Most likely I am wrong but I can not find any other explanation for those that make radical changes to themselves and expect the changes to change others preceptions of themselves. Paying a doctor to give you the sex organs of the opposite sex will not give anyone a change of life any more then were a man or woman to get a Bulls penis attached.
So a 43 year old woman thinks she is a cat, So freaking what, am I expected to place cat food on my deck for her when she comes crawling naked and hungry to my door.?
I am reminded of the Wizard of OZ when the scare crow wanted a brain, [ that could be also changed to boobs, penis, total body construction.] How surprised the scare crow was when he found out that he possessed a brain just didn't use it.
We have no choice in life how we come into the world, beauty is defined by social convention, in some societys the more fat the person has the better looking----everyone is asigned a gender and body organs to be used to reproduce. When one decides God made a mistake and they wish to correct it, I have no problem with that, it's their life.
However, if this is just change for a sexual fettish, that is not my problem or any of my business. I am getting old and grumpy, last thing I want to become conserned with is the sex life of a family member or friends life style.
As you can see this topic has me moving back and forth, kind of scares me as this is as strange to me as it would be if my cat began to bark.
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So freaking what, am I expected to place cat food on my deck for her when she comes crawling naked and hungry to my door.?
vesta, dear, be careful about the images you might provoke in the minds of readers, with the words you use.
I just lost everything I had just eaten.
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vesta, dear, be careful about the images you might provoke in the minds of readers, with the words you use.
:exactly:
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The thing with UPG is that, when you break it all down, she's no more mentally ill than the rest of the primitives. It's just that she's acting on her impulses restraint free and they've pulled back in order to seem as normal as they possibly can. Take away the facade, and their worldview's are identical.
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vesta, dear, be careful about the images you might provoke in the minds of readers, with the words you use.
I just lost everything I had just eaten.
Please, Vesta! Not before my breakfast!
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I'm with BEG and CR on this as far as the video goes and why BEG posted it.