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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: MrsSmith on April 19, 2009, 04:49:59 PM
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CaliforniaPeggy (1000+ posts) Sun Apr-19-09 03:32 PM
Original message (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5490326)
It is such a simple premise: Men do not have the right to tell women
what they can or cannot do.
But this simple premise runs counter to how men have treated women from time immemorial.
We are seen as property, chattel, breeding machines...
It has to stop, and even though we've made much progress, there is still much to be done.
The death of the 21 year old girl wearing a mini-skirt really triggered me...
My God. What does it take to make things right?
I am outraged on behalf of all exploited women.
No one has any clue what Pegs is talking about...but that doesn't bother most of them...
polichick (1000+ posts) Sun Apr-19-09 03:37 PM
Response to Original message
2. Women keep most of the world's religions strong...
Edited on Sun Apr-19-09 03:39 PM by polichick
...sending their children to church, doing the congregation's grunt work, etc. ~ and yet most religions see them as second-class citizens.
imo women have to turn their backs on ALL organizations and individuals who treat us that way.
Women have far more power than we collectively use!
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CaliforniaPeggy (1000+ posts) Sun Apr-19-09 03:40 PM
Response to Reply #2
3. Education is very necessary, for women as well as men...
Your points are well taken.
So often, women do not realize that they are being treated as second-class citizens. They need to be brought into the light...
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polichick (1000+ posts) Sun Apr-19-09 03:46 PM
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6. Or they don't want to see - imo there's no excuse for American women...
...to NOT see how some religious organizations diss them. imo it's crazy for women to attend Catholic churches or any others where they are not allowed to lead. It's as if they're begging to be treated badly. They even continue to send their precious children after the whole world knows how the church covered for pedophiles. Seems as if the priests could murder their children and women would continue to be the church's enablers.
Religion is one big area where women could make a huge impact overnight!
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Liberal_in_LA (1000+ posts) Sun Apr-19-09 03:48 PM
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9. I know. I don't understand Baptist, Catholic, ultra ortho Jewish, muslim american women
How can you keep attending and putting money in the plate.
Liberal_in_LA (1000+ posts) Sun Apr-19-09 05:11 PM
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55. back in the 70s these same type of women trashed 'women's libbers' but them all
expected to get promotions at work, equal pay etc...And they definitely love their birth control. women like that ride on the backs of progressive women.
Reterr (1000+ posts) Sun Apr-19-09 04:04 PM
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32. I agree but with the caveat that no religious nut (or any other kinda nut)
Edited on Sun Apr-19-09 04:06 PM by Reterr
should be able to tell women (or men) what to do.
It is amazing how some women too cling to the chains that bind them. Going by my personal experience here in the south, I would almost be tempted to say that there are a lot more of these self-righteous, pro-life women than even men. Not really, I am sure...
It is probably 50-50, but God some of these women make me sick.
The hypocrisy is amazing too...It never applies to them. Just all those loose, liberal women out there who use abortion as birth-control or something.
Male or female, I feel like telling these loons to take a check.
There is definitely an asymmetry between the genders when it comes to a lot of the psychotic stuff, but I can't ignore the number of nutty, religious women that promote this type of nonsense.
For people who don't think men should tell women what to do, they sure spend a lot of time telling women what to do!! :rotf: :rotf:
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Now remember, folks, if you didn't know.
The California Peggy primitive was gender-altered.
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wow.
Islam treats them like nothing and they lash out at every single religion they can think of.
They avoid criticizing Islam directly at all costs don't they?
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For people who don't think men should tell women what to do, they sure spend a lot of time telling women what to do!! :rotf: :rotf:
Cha-Ching!!
Women speaking inappropriately about other women who don't see things they way they do and, in doing so, treating them as second-class citizens, a type of behavior they claim they are against. You just can't dream this stuff up any better than these nuts really view it.
Apparently this story of the 21 year old is out of Russia. Surprise, surprise; it has to do with the Islamic religion.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25331142-12377,00.html
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Oh my. What would our dear friend know about being a woman???
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Now remember, folks, if you didn't know.
The California Peggy primitive was gender-altered.
SERIOUSLY????????????? :o
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I see the Little Goons are still busy telling God his design was all wrong.
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SERIOUSLY????????????? :o
there are just no normal people over there are there?
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That's a special mixture of crazy in those posts :mental:
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That's a special mixture of crazy in those posts :mental:
When isn't there? :-)
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When isn't there? :-)
True...but sometimes...even after all these years there are still times when they just make me say "wow"
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Now remember, folks, if you didn't know.
The California Peggy primitive was gender-altered.
Now, Frank...we don't know that for sure.
do we?
C'peggy, "I was a man once, you can't tell me what to do!"
Is that irony, hypocrisy, or something new...
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Now, Frank...we don't know that for sure.
do we?
C'peggy, "I was a man once, you can't tell me what to do!"
Is that irony, hypocrisy, or something new...
Maybe he got tired of being told what to do, therefore the change...surely, in California, the feminists rule all. :rotf:
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I see the Little Goons are still busy telling God his design was all wrong.
Just think how upset they would be if they understood that modern psychology is now teaching Biblical principles of marriage. :lmao:
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Guess what denizens of DU, you have no more rights to tell me what do than anybody else. Why the :censored: do you think you have the right to tell me what I should believe, who gave you the right to claim that I am ignorant? I have never had a man act like my only worth was to give birth to children, or treat me like I was a second class citizen. It is your side that tells people that they are awful for wanting to have more than one child, we just want to keep children from being killed. How about you actually push for mandatory explanations as to how various birth control methods work. If you really want to women to have freedom of choice, shouldn't they be informed that the BC pill, patch, nuvaring, IUD, and probably other prevent pregnancy through their abortifacient properties (not all chemical methods, but enough that I would advice women to careful research any method they are considering if they consider life to begin at fertilization). No, you only care about the women who want to have abortions. You only care about freedom for the women who agree with you, and the only possible reason to disagree is because we are ignorant. Well, aren't you enlightened.
Are you DUmmies aware of what happens where women are truly second-class citizens? China has a huge imbalance between men and women because their culture values men over women (specifically boys over girls), and they restricted the number of allowable children. In India they have to have orphanages specifically for abandoned girl children. In Afghanistan girls are afraid to go to school because they could be attacked, and parts of Afghanistan just legalized marital rape. In Saudi Arabia, women cannot be in public without a male relative. In Iran (I believe this is right country) and 8 year old girl was just married to a much older man, and the courts said it was perfectly legal.
And yet, in you little minds, you think that Christianity is the great oppressor. Some churches are evil because women cannot be pastors or priests, never mind that women are most likely active in every other aspect of the church. If you don't like it, don't go to that church, but how dare you try to tell me how to practice my religion.
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Re: It is such a simple premise: Men do not have the right to tell women
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2009, 02:41:15 pm » Quote
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Now remember, folks, if you didn't know.
The California Peggy primitive was gender-altered.
Oh, Really? From What to What? Besides confused, that is, I am certain that's still in play. And why is he/she/it so worried about abortion? Doesn't sound like it is a personal problem for her/him/it.
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Now remember, folks, if you didn't know.
The California Peggy primitive was gender-altered.
Frank? Did she actually admit to this on the board somewhere? If so.....link? :-)
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wow.
Islam treats them like nothing and they lash out at every single religion they can think of.
They avoid criticizing Islam directly at all costs don't they?
Thats not exactly true.......................................................if you don't mind being chattel.
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Guess what denizens of DU, you have no more rights to tell me what do than anybody else. Why the :censored: do you think you have the right to tell me what I should believe, who gave you the right to claim that I am ignorant? I have never had a man act like my only worth was to give birth to children, or treat me like I was a second class citizen. It is your side that tells people that they are awful for wanting to have more than one child, we just want to keep children from being killed. How about you actually push for mandatory explanations as to how various birth control methods work. If you really want to women to have freedom of choice, shouldn't they be informed that the BC pill, patch, nuvaring, IUD, and probably other prevent pregnancy through their abortifacient properties (not all chemical methods, but enough that I would advice women to careful research any method they are considering if they consider life to begin at fertilization). No, you only care about the women who want to have abortions. You only care about freedom for the women who agree with you, and the only possible reason to disagree is because we are ignorant. Well, aren't you enlightened.
Are you DUmmies aware of what happens where women are truly second-class citizens? China has a huge imbalance between men and women because their culture values men over women (specifically boys over girls), and they restricted the number of allowable children. In India they have to have orphanages specifically for abandoned girl children. In Afghanistan girls are afraid to go to school because they could be attacked, and parts of Afghanistan just legalized marital rape. In Saudi Arabia, women cannot be in public without a male relative. In Iran (I believe this is right country) and 8 year old girl was just married to a much older man, and the courts said it was perfectly legal.
And yet, in you little minds, you think that Christianity is the great oppressor. Some churches are evil because women cannot be pastors or priests, never mind that women are most likely active in every other aspect of the church. If you don't like it, don't go to that church, but how dare you try to tell me how to practice my religion.
I have found that what DUers usually bristle against are the subtle(and not so subtle) obligations that come with being a woman,yet men are supposed to meet and fulfill all theirs while expecting little to nothing in return. It is men in this situation who are little more then slaves.
I think the stop gap for most DUers(when you get past their stereotypes of men and women in a spiritually rich home) is that men also have obligations they are expected to live up to as well. They too, don't always like what they are called to do, yet they do it anyway out of love for their wives and in honor of their marriages. God forbid women should be held to the same standard. :whatever:
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Let's see:
Woman gets pregnant + man does not want baby + woman wants baby = woman gets child support, man has no voice in the matter
Woman gets pregnant + man wants baby + woman does not want baby = woman has abortion, man has no voice in the matter
Remind me again where the EQUAL rights come in.
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Let's see:
Woman gets pregnant + man does not want baby + woman wants baby = woman gets child support, man has no voice in the matter
Woman gets pregnant + man wants baby + woman does not want baby = woman has abortion, man has no voice in the matter
Remind me again where the EQUAL rights come in.
Woman allowed to kill child of man.
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Hey Peggy: Shut up, bitch.
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Hey Peggy: Shut up, bitch.
:evillaugh:
And bring me another beer.
And it better be opened this time.
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What's to understand is that without the power to abort a pregnancy, a woman has no control over her life. In order to live up to society's ideas about parenting a woman must give up about twenty years of whoring around and partying, right in the middle of the best years of her life, to properly meet expectations. Supposedly, men do not have to make this choice, so life is "unfair" to women.
The thing that amuses me is that most lefty/liberal argument about women's rights is a downright admission that women are weak and cannot handle the really important things in life. Oh, it's always colored not to appear that way, but when you strip it all down to the seed of logic, that's what you find. It also appears that women are too weak and inferior to be action figures in their own lives. They are only and always reacting to outside forces. Women, according to lefty/liberals, cannot be equals to men on their own. Women require special considerations and social exemptions in order to appear equal.
When the lefty/liberals "women rights movement" is surgically dissected it is really quite insulting to everyday American women.
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What's to understand is that without the power to abort a pregnancy, a woman has no control over her life. In order to live up to society's ideas about parenting a woman must give up about twenty years of whoring around and partying, right in the middle of the best years of her life, to properly meet expectations. Supposedly, men do not have to make this choice, so life is "unfair" to women.
The thing that amuses me is that most lefty/liberal argument about women's rights is a downright admission that women are weak and cannot handle the really important things in life. Oh, it's always colored not to appear that way, but when you strip it all down to the seed of logic, that's what you find. It also appears that women are too weak and inferior to be action figures in their own lives. They are only and always reacting to outside forces. Women, according to lefty/liberals, cannot be equals to men on their own. Women require special considerations and social exemptions in order to appear equal.
When the lefty/liberals "women rights movement" is surgically dissected it is really quite insulting to everyday American women.
You're absolutely right, Undies. They do act as though we can't make it without the ability to murder our children and order men around.
Maybe that's why they hate conservative women so much...so many of us have managed to not only have multiple kids (a litter, I've heard it called), but also finish school, finish college, get a good job, buy a house, and make it just fine with or without a man...though most of us happily choose to have a man...AND get along with him. :-)
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Women, according to lefty/liberals, cannot be equals to men on their own. Women require special considerations and social exemptions in order to appear equal.
Here's the thing that really irks me about feminism...I'm not a man. I don't want to be treated like a man. I want people to recognize that I am a woman and therefore different from a man. What I want is equity, not equality. There's a difference there.
Does this mean that I want my husband to be the one that fixes things around the house, shovels snow, changes the oil in my car? Possibly. (Okay, definitely on the shoveling part, the rest I'm okay with.) What I really want is for everyone-regardless of gender-to accept the fact that I have chosen my own path in life and to not tell me that because I am a SAHM and a regular churchgoer that I am a subservient female and unable to escape the chains of sexism that are inherent in my career choice and my religion. I am doing exactly the job I want to be doing, and it is my CHOICE to do so.
What really bugs me the most about these 'feminist, pro-choice' people is that they only support your choice if it is the one THEY think you should make. If you choose to belong to an organized religion, to get married, to stay home and take care of your children, then these women automatically discount you as a person. Where's the equality in that? Are my choices not as legitimate as the choice of a feminist who chooses to never marry, to sleep around and abort fetuses, to focus on herself and her career? Why are her choices more acceptable to feminists than mine?
Feminism is the worst thing to happen to women since the snake convinced Eve to eat the apple in the Garden of Eden.
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Feminism is the worst thing to happen to women since the snake convinced Eve to eat the apple in the Garden of Eden.
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That snake is alive and well still calling the shots. Have you ever really looked into a radical feminist's eyes? Pure evil.
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That snake is alive and well still calling the shots. Have you ever really looked into a radical feminist's eyes? Pure evil.
I try not to get close enough to make eye contact. Radical feminists give me the willies.
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Here's the thing that really irks me about feminism...I'm not a man. I don't want to be treated like a man. I want people to recognize that I am a woman and therefore different from a man. What I want is equity, not equality. There's a difference there.
Does this mean that I want my husband to be the one that fixes things around the house, shovels snow, changes the oil in my car? Possibly. (Okay, definitely on the shoveling part, the rest I'm okay with.) What I really want is for everyone-regardless of gender-to accept the fact that I have chosen my own path in life and to not tell me that because I am a SAHM and a regular churchgoer that I am a subservient female and unable to escape the chains of sexism that are inherent in my career choice and my religion. I am doing exactly the job I want to be doing, and it is my CHOICE to do so.
What really bugs me the most about these 'feminist, pro-choice' people is that they only support your choice if it is the one THEY think you should make. If you choose to belong to an organized religion, to get married, to stay home and take care of your children, then these women automatically discount you as a person. Where's the equality in that? Are my choices not as legitimate as the choice of a feminist who chooses to never marry, to sleep around and abort fetuses, to focus on herself and her career? Why are her choices more acceptable to feminists than mine?
Feminism is the worst thing to happen to women since the snake convinced Eve to eat the apple in the Garden of Eden.
Excellent post, Vivismom! Hi5! :cheersmate:
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Dittos, Vivis Mom! Excellently stated. You deserve a ^10 for that.
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Here's the thing that really irks me about feminism...I'm not a man. I don't want to be treated like a man. I want people to recognize that I am a woman and therefore different from a man. What I want is equity, not equality. There's a difference there.
Does this mean that I want my husband to be the one that fixes things around the house, shovels snow, changes the oil in my car? Possibly. (Okay, definitely on the shoveling part, the rest I'm okay with.) What I really want is for everyone-regardless of gender-to accept the fact that I have chosen my own path in life and to not tell me that because I am a SAHM and a regular churchgoer that I am a subservient female and unable to escape the chains of sexism that are inherent in my career choice and my religion. I am doing exactly the job I want to be doing, and it is my CHOICE to do so.
What really bugs me the most about these 'feminist, pro-choice' people is that they only support your choice if it is the one THEY think you should make. If you choose to belong to an organized religion, to get married, to stay home and take care of your children, then these women automatically discount you as a person. Where's the equality in that? Are my choices not as legitimate as the choice of a feminist who chooses to never marry, to sleep around and abort fetuses, to focus on herself and her career? Why are her choices more acceptable to feminists than mine?
Feminism is the worst thing to happen to women since the snake convinced Eve to eat the apple in the Garden of Eden.
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Gee, lurking DUmmies, nothing like a strong woman, eh?
H5 btw!
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That's a special mixture of crazy in those posts :mental:
Well its hard to top UGP but that post is in the running.
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Here's the thing that really irks me about feminism...I'm not a man. I don't want to be treated like a man. I want people to recognize that I am a woman and therefore different from a man. What I want is equity, not equality. There's a difference there.
Does this mean that I want my husband to be the one that fixes things around the house, shovels snow, changes the oil in my car? Possibly. (Okay, definitely on the shoveling part, the rest I'm okay with.) What I really want is for everyone-regardless of gender-to accept the fact that I have chosen my own path in life and to not tell me that because I am a SAHM and a regular churchgoer that I am a subservient female and unable to escape the chains of sexism that are inherent in my career choice and my religion. I am doing exactly the job I want to be doing, and it is my CHOICE to do so.
What really bugs me the most about these 'feminist, pro-choice' people is that they only support your choice if it is the one THEY think you should make. If you choose to belong to an organized religion, to get married, to stay home and take care of your children, then these women automatically discount you as a person. Where's the equality in that? Are my choices not as legitimate as the choice of a feminist who chooses to never marry, to sleep around and abort fetuses, to focus on herself and her career? Why are her choices more acceptable to feminists than mine?
Feminism is the worst thing to happen to women since the snake convinced Eve to eat the apple in the Garden of Eden.
Great. You really need to post more! Hi-5.
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Amen Vivismom!!!
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Great. You really need to post more! Hi-5.
Awww, thanks. I'm trying, but a two year old is a very, very busy thing to have. :)
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Awww, thanks. I'm trying, but a two year old is a very, very busy thing to have. :)
Aw come on! You're a stay-at-home mom! Turn on Playhouse Disney, let the Imagination Movers babysit, and post away!
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My kids are only 20 months apart, and when they were that age, I remember that a good day was a day when I got a shower and the opportunity to sit down to eat. I have no idea how I managed it, or how any woman does it. I am so lazy now, I would die if I had to try to do all that again. Rock on, Vivi's Mom, you are raising the next generation, and we are counting on you to do good work! :-)
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Aw come on! You're a stay-at-home mom! Turn on Playhouse Disney, let the Imagination Movers babysit, and post away!
:innocent:
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She LOVES the Imagination Movers, but not as much as Yo Gabba Gabba! :banghead:
I wish she would let me do that. If I have the computer open in front of her, she wants to bang on the keys, touch the screen, open and close it...*sigh* It's easier to just not have it when she's around.
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She LOVES the Imagination Movers, but not as much as Yo Gabba Gabba! :banghead:
I wish she would let me do that. If I have the computer open in front of her, she wants to bang on the keys, touch the screen, open and close it...*sigh* It's easier to just not have it when she's around.
I've got my 18-month-old on my lap as I type this, and she's watching "Yo Gabba Gabba." She's transfixed. She really likes "Wow Wow Wubbzy!" A lot.
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I've got my 18-month-old on my lap as I type this, and she's watching "Yo Gabba Gabba." She's transfixed. She really likes "Wow Wow Wubbzy!" A lot.
Yo Gabba Gabba is like crack to preschoolers. It's hysterical to watch my kid watch it, because she dances around and shouts all their names. I'm wondering if they are inserting subliminal messages somewhere in there, aiming for the preschool/stoner set.
In an attempt to get my child to develop a warped sense of humor, I've begun allowing her to watch Spongebob. I hope it takes!
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Yo Gabba Gabba is like crack to preschoolers. It's hysterical to watch my kid watch it, because she dances around and shouts all their names.
It's truly a riot to watch my daughter sway back and forth to the Wubbzy music. Which, IMO, isn't bad (the music) at all.
I'm wondering if they are inserting subliminal messages somewhere in there, aiming for the preschool/stoner set.
Hopefully, they'd try to intercept the stoner messages.
In an attempt to get my child to develop a warped sense of humor, I've begun allowing her to watch Spongebob. I hope it takes!
If my daughter has a sense of humor as warped as I have, may God help anyone who wants to date her.