DUmmies can't see forest for the trees

[thundley4]

RamboLiberal   (1000+ posts)             Mon Nov-16-09 05:16 PM
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Stop Annual Mammograms, Govt. Panel Tells Women Under 50
   Source: ABC News

An influential government panel of experts has issued new recommendations on what age women should get screened for breast cancer and how often. The new guidelines have set off a sharp debate over whether mammography screening done at younger ages and more frequently saves enough lives to justify the costs of overtreatment.
Blah, blah, blah....

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Raven   (1000+ posts)           Mon Nov-16-09 05:19 PM
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1. My, my, my... a good friend of mine was 42 and had her first mammogram
   
and has just completed breat cancer treatments and is facing reconstruction. No way of knowing how long the cancer was in her breast and growing...

Delphinus   (1000+ posts)           Mon Nov-16-09 05:25 PM
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2. Why in the world would they
   
recommend AGAINST teaching breast self-exams?!

pitohui (1000+ posts)           Mon Nov-16-09 09:28 PM
Response to Reply #13
21. because a false positive can lead to amputation where it wouldn't have been necessary
   
one of my mom's clients had a lump (you do understand that MOST lumps are cysts, esp. in younger breasts)

she had a biopsy

the biopsy infected her with MRSA

she lost not only the breasts but her arm and both legs

you people who fantasize that "early testing" has no risks are living in a dream world

there are fates worse than death and living the rest of your life unable to walk and with only ONE limb is certainly one of them


the consequences of paranoia are extreme

i for one would rather die a little younger than need be than lose my limbs and my freedom

But, but early detection is  what 0BamaCare is all about.  Now why would this government group recommend against it?  To save the government money once 0BamaCare is enacted, maybe?

Indydem (493 posts)             Mon Nov-16-09 05:29 PM
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3. WTF?
   
Is this the start of some kind of rationing BS that the government is trying to play a game with?

There is no such thing as "overtreatment" of a simple test that can catch a dreadful, terrible disease such as breast cancer.

Probably a panel made up of men under 50 who know of no one personally with the disease.

The government would be better off to take the salary of these pinhead assholes and pay it into breast cancer research.

Ding, ding, ding , we have a winner, his tombstone is on order.

kestrel91316   (1000+ posts)             Mon Nov-16-09 06:41 PM
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15. It's the insurance companies who HAVE BEEN RATIONING CARE FOR YEARS.

Right, but the government rationing will be so much better, right?  I mean after all, they have to keep their customers happy.

From there it devolves into most people being supportive of the new recommendations.

[Duke Nukum]

New government propaganda for the New Obama World.

[miskie]

So.. Let me get this straight...

The... Democrats are Okay with THE GOVERNMENT Telling Women what they should and shouldn't do with their bodies ?!?

Am I missing something here, or have the primitives made it clear that they are no better than trained monkeys who dance for the organ grinder ?

[AllosaursRus]

Am I missing something here, or have the primitives made it clear that they are no better than trained monkeys who dance for the organ grinder ?

They're doing more than dancing with that "organ"!

[Duke Nukum]

So.. Let me get this straight...

The... Democrats are Okay with THE GOVERNMENT Telling Women what they should and shouldn't do with their bodies ?!?

Am I missing something here, or have the primitives made it clear that they are no better than trained monkeys who dance for the organ grinder ?

Primitives, Jon Stewart audiences, but I repeat myself.

I was listening to some conservative talk show that is on Sunday nights and the guy was talking about how many people simply buy into whatever media template.  Barak Obama can't be stupid because the media template says he is intelligent and articulate.  Sarah Palin can't be substantive because the media template tells us she is a lightweight and an idiot.  And sadly even conservatives buy into these templates.

[lastparker]

I've never been one to buy into conspiracy theories, but this stinks of government mandate.  I wonder if the Komen foundation will be right on board with this?  Unbelievable.  And it is no surprise that the DUmmies are already drinking the koolaid.

[IassaFTots]

I've never been one to buy into conspiracy theories, but this stinks of government mandate.  I wonder if the Komen foundation will be right on board with this?  Unbelievable.  And it is no surprise that the DUmmies are already drinking the koolaid.

I heard on the radio that Komen wasn't changing their viewpoint, and MD Anderson Cancer Center, the American Cancer Society, and various other Cancer fighting groups have said they won't be changing their protocols either. What this does mean, I am afraid, that the yearly ones under 49, and every other year after 50 won't be covered under whatever scheme we call insurance is coming down the pike.  Which means out of pocket expense, which means people won't get them, which means people will die unnecessarily.   

[GOBUCKS]

I heard on the radio that Komen wasn't changing their viewpoint, and MD Anderson Cancer Center, the American Cancer Society, and various other Cancer fighting groups have said they won't be changing their protocols either. What this does mean, I am afraid, that the yearly ones under 49, and every other year after 50 won't be covered under whatever scheme we call insurance is coming down the pike.  Which means out of pocket expense, which means people won't get them, which means people will die unnecessarily.   

You are right in every count, except the last. The medical commissars, who will be appointed by the healthcare czar after fully socialized O-care is adopted, will have budgets and goals that will make many of these deaths necessary. Millions of deaths will be necessary, because preventing them would require expenditures that are simply not beneficial to the state. Why should state resources be squandered on an elderly person who will never pay a penny in taxes?

[IassaFTots]

You are right in every count, except the last. The medical commissars, who will be appointed by the healthcare czar after fully socialized O-care is adopted, will have budgets and goals that will make many of these deaths necessary. Millions of deaths will be necessary, because preventing them would require expenditures that are simply not beneficial to the state. Why should state resources be squandered on an elderly person who will never pay a penny in taxes?

   DUH.   Silly me.  Welcome to the Machine.

[thundley4]

  DUH.   Silly me.  Welcome to the Machine.

But they still won't call them death panels, no way, no how.

[IassaFTots]

But they still won't call them death panels, no way, no how.

Nope, them there are our Supreme Benefactors, protecting us from our own anxieties. 

[FlaGator]

But they still won't call them death panels, no way, no how.

They are not death panels, they are administrators for the life buyout option of the Obamacare health plan