The original picklebelly gets two things right

[dandi]

Tue Dec 27, 2011, 08:16 AM

Star Member originalpckelly

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Bradley Manning is a traitor.

I am a traitor too.

I think anyone should be a traitor to a system whose sole purpose appears to be the domination of normal people.

There is something wrong in this ****ing country.
The government claims it has an inviolable right to privacy, but that the people have almost none.

People cannot police themselves, and that's what this government does when it comes to secrecy.

It's ****ing bullshit to claim the people who allegedly control this country should have no say in how many pieces of information are secret, or which ones should be.

At the very least, a randomly selected jury-like body should have the constant power to oversee the intelligence community. Not another corrupt branch of government, but the people themselves.

Do a security check on them, make sure they are not spies. Then give them the power to declassify something if needed.

We simply cannot trust, "trust me." We must verify, and not 50 years after the fact.

In a democracy, nothing trumps the people's right to know.

Not even a plea to fear and a false sense of security. That bullshit is scarier and more dangerous to more people than any terrorist group, no matter how much you are brainwashed into thinking otherwise.

The government that is so secret has nuclear weapons, a military that spends more money than any other in the world, and it is lead by morons who seem only to work under the auspices of the 11th hour panic.

And with the power of drones at their control, the circle of people who know even a piece of the puzzle is much smaller now.

If we the people don't bring the runaway train to a halt, it'll just be all that harder later on.

And by the way, traitor is an often hollow term used by those who have nothing more material to say. Or who have something to hide, so they make a plea to your sense of decency, country and honor.

Do I have to tell you what you already know? That these people have no decency, they would do this in any country, and they have no honor? I don't think so.

So, what you gonna do about it? Wake the **** up? It seems like many people have, but then again being near homeless does that to you. It kind of pops that bubble of bullshit keeping you in check complying with the nonsense of the world.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/100275079

You should've just stopped after the first two lines. It was a moment of clarity you likely won't experience again.

Bradley Manning is a weasely little bastard who, in fit of poutrage over perceived mistreatment from the Army, betrayed the trust of his country with an act of sheer petulance to satisfy his own need to get back at someone or something.

He then, again childishly, sealed his own fate with his need to brag about it.

Nothing more or less than that. It had nothing to do with high-minded goals of "exposing war crimes" or "creating transparency" in our diplomatic dealings. Those were nothing but after-the-fact excuses made up in an attempt to mitigate his actions. Right now young Messr. Bradley is wetting his Underoos over the thought of a life sentence hanging over his empty head. My bet is the little coward is willing to sell out his own mother for leniency. "Hero" my ass. If he had the courage of his convictions why did he threaten suicide? He's nothing but a sniveling punk.

But hey, you go ahead and worship him, DUmmies. Birds of a feather, and all that.

[vesta111]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/100275079

You should've just stopped after the first two lines. It was a moment of clarity you likely won't experience again.

Bradley Manning is a weasely little bastard who, in fit of poutrage over perceived mistreatment from the Army, betrayed the trust of his country with an act of sheer petulance to satisfy his own need to get back at someone or something.

He then, again childishly, sealed his own fate with his need to brag about it.

Nothing more or less than that. It had nothing to do with high-minded goals of "exposing war crimes" or "creating transparency" in our diplomatic dealings. Those were nothing but after-the-fact excuses made up in an attempt to mitigate his actions. Right now young Messr. Bradley is wetting his Underoos over the thought of a life sentence hanging over his empty head. My bet is the little coward is willing to sell out his own mother for leniency. "Hero" my ass. If he had the courage of his convictions why did he threaten suicide? He's nothing but a sniveling punk.

But hey, you go ahead and worship him, DUmmies. Birds of a feather, and all that.

Bradley had to have had more then a Spite reason to do as he did.   He must have known the consequences of his actions, so, what was the under riding reason he took such a chance ??

Did he believe he would become a hero??   Hardly, Money that is off shore waiting for him,??? Possible.

Questions here, How was Bradley recruited and by whom??     Who were his associates that that could used him as a pawn to get the information needed.

This young kid could not have done this on his own with out associates helping him along the way-----Some one had to take the information to Julian and Wicki Leaks, he did not mail it to to Julian himself.

I fear this Lad is using being gay to keep people from wondering about how he got into this mess all by himself because he wants to become a woman. none of this really makes any sense at all.

Something is just not right here, he could have left the Military and began a sex change as a civilian.   

The Lad needs to be hung but there are those that got him into this mess that the military and government fear to accuse as accessory's.

Most harm he caused so far is embarrassment to our government and others for showing the world how governments really feel about the leaders of other governments.    So Hillery called the leader of another country a big fat slob and they smell also, embarrassment but hardly treason.

Bradley needs to be made an example of, and with all the crap going on, so do the traitors that found a week spot in this man and lead him into a trap.  How far does this go up the line of the military and who can cover their butt before some reporter finds the money source???

Spy VS Spy,  all the intrigue  the secret drops, the midnight calls, Celestine meetings on a foggy water front.  A young man troubled to start with, a perfect mark for those with their own adgenda.

Super Bowl half time, hang the kid, then go after the people that for their own adgenda, be it political in this country as I believe it may be, and next Super Bowl hang them. 

[Karin]

You should've just stopped after the first two lines.

  That's all I read, anyway.  OPCK is such a dumb****, he's 100% wrong in whatever he says. 

[DumbAss Tanker]

Do a security check on them, make sure they are not spies.

Arnold, Walker, Philby, the Rosenbergs...all were trusted, upstanding citizens until it was too late... 

[JohnnyReb]

Bradley had to have had more then a Spite reason to do as he did.   

You're wrong.

It was all done for spite...the ARMY wouldn't let him wear his "dress" uniform.

[BlueStateSaint]

You're wrong.

It was all done for spite...the ARMY wouldn't let him wear his "dress" uniform.

At least not with fishnets and a garter belt.

From what I heard, he was upset that his ghey lover had left him, so he wanted to get back at someone.

[wasp69]

Tue Dec 27, 2011, 08:16 AM

Star Member originalpckelly

Bradley Manning is a traitor.

I am a traitor too.

Well, now that you have acknowledged your problem, the next step is getting help.

Come see me, DUmmie, I'll cure all that ails you.

I think anyone should be a traitor to a system whose sole purpose appears to be the domination of normal people.

Unless you've figured out how not to pull the "D" lever in the voting booth, it'll never get any better.

It's ****ing bullshit to claim the people who allegedly control this country should have no say in how many pieces of information are secret, or which ones should be.

Uh, no, stupid, it's never a good idea to broadcast collected intel and gathering methods in the open and it is never a good idea to trust a liberal democrat to keep a secret that would actually help this country over it's enemies.  We have agencies created by the Constitutional powers of the Legislature to perform these functions, numb nuts, so we don't end up with hippie shitheads telling the world our secrets.  You know, shitheads like little Brianna Manning or whatever it's calling itself now.

At the very least, a randomly selected jury-like body should have the constant power to oversee the intelligence community. Not another corrupt branch of government, but the people themselves.

How old is this DUmmie?  Does anyone know?  Abject and utter stupidity in regards to all things American is a DUmp democrat requirement but this goon takes it to a whole 'nuther level.

Look, DUmbass, I know this may be hard to believe but we have this thing in the United States called a Constitution.  This Constitution was written and ratified by men who were greater than anyone slithering around DC today and pretty much anywhere else in the country.  In the Constitution were laws that made up 3 different co-equal branches of government and the means for the governed to impose "term limits" by voting and forced removal mechanisms.

Now, stay with me, DUmmie, because this next part is going to get a little tricky:  It is left up to the elected representatives, which are made up of "the people", to monitor and control what goes on in these Constitutionally created agencies.  Did you get that?  What you are whining for already exists.

We do not need another "jury-like body" to give "twinkles".  What we need is an engaged electorate that actually understands the real history of our founding document and principles, not a bunch of whiny, mouth-breather snowflakes thinking that they are the smartest person in any room declaring what's in our best interest.

Do a security check on them, make sure they are not spies. Then give them the power to declassify something if needed.

Already happens, DUmmie.

In a democracy, nothing trumps the people's right to know.

Except for a need to know.  If you had any knowledge and perspective outside of bong hits and Cheetos you might understand that.

And, DUmmie, we're not now nor have we ever been a "democracy".  The old, dead, white guys who founded this country saw to that.

The government that is so secret has nuclear weapons, a military that spends more money than any other in the world, and it is lead by morons who seem only to work under the auspices of the 11th hour panic.

Nuclear weapons are the reason you and I don't speak either Russian or Chinese, a strong and ready fighting force is the best diplomatic tool, quit voting for democrats.

Now, wasn't that easy?

If we the people don't bring the runaway train to a halt, it'll just be all that harder later on.

November 2012 is coming, DUmmie.  That will be the runaway train that will run you over.

And by the way, traitor is an often hollow term used by those who have nothing more material to say. Or who have something to hide

trai·tor

/ˈtreɪtər/

noun

1.  a person who betrays another, a cause, or any trust.
2.  a person who commits treason by betraying his or her country.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/traitor

Anyone who sells their country's secrets with the express intent of harming their country is a traitor, DUmmie.  Anyone who supports them is also a traitor.  Words have meaning and weight, DUmmie.

so they make a plea to your sense of decency, country and honor.

Of which you clearly have none.

So, what you gonna do about it?

I won't broadcast that out in the open, but I can promise that you won't like it.

[wasp69]

Bradley had to have had more then a Spite reason to do as he did.   He must have known the consequences of his actions, so, what was the under riding reason he took such a chance ??

He was a queer above everything else, vesta.  Just like any ideologue, he was something else before he was a frikkin' American who had been entrusted to handle sensitive information and safeguard his country.

Really, dear, it isn't any deeper than that.

[USA4ME]

originalpckelly

People cannot police themselves, and that's what this government does when it comes to secrecy.

If we the people don't bring the runaway train to a halt, it'll just be all that harder later on.

And the best way to do that is to have an ever increasing set of social programs and safety nets which will, in turn, give that same gov't increasing control over the people to do the very things of which you complain it shouldn't.



Welcome to the web you wove.

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[vesta111]

Arnold, Walker, Philby, the Rosenbergs...all were trusted, upstanding citizens until it was too late... 

Walker now him I do remember personally, he came to the Officers Club in Portsmouth Va. almost every night and then went on to the other military clubs in the area.   His target were the people in Radio aboard the Subs and Skimmers.

I can see how he got past the scrutiny of the military, just a friendly fellow talking over his job with others, buy them a beer and become their best friend.  He was friendly to all but had little interest in the other officers or Chiefs in any other line of knowledge.      

Now is he the man who had both a son and daughter in the Navy and tried to drag them both into his schemes?

I think if IRC it was his wife that was his down fall.   Like Sailors of some sorts he got drunk one night and spilled the beans to her.  He totally forgot the "need to know" and forgetting his midnight confession to her later he left her with no support.    

I cannot imagine the guts it took for a wife and mother to turn her family into the Military.   DAMN, her children were involved to some extent with their Dads dealings.

Question I have had all these years is if Walker continued to support wife would she have put the hammer down on him and her kids??

I wonder what happend to his kids, what ever happend to the Wife, and how does the whole family live with the idea their family member was the worse of traitors, he did it for chump change, really, most he got was less then $30,000   in 2-3 years total for putting our fleet in danger.

And he was not a recruited person, he on his own went to the Russian Embassy before hand to get things started.

Anyone deserve a firing squad that is Walker, not good for anything, just a monster and a cleaver one at that.

[DumbAss Tanker]

Actually as I recall, he made out pretty well on it financially, around a million bucks in total over the years (Not as much as it sounds like, given now long the whole thing went on), however the information he gave them is also believed to be responsible for compromising several people working for us who ended up dead as a result...again, as best I recall.

[wasp69]

however the information he gave them is also believed to be responsible for compromising several people working for us who ended up dead as a result...again, as best I recall.

And for the old Soviet Union knowing where our submarines were for many, many years.

[Skul]

At the very least, a randomly selected jury-like body should have the constant power to oversee the intelligence community. Not another corrupt branch of government, but the people themselves.

Just like on DU3?
We see how well that's been working.
 

[JohnnyReb]

Just like on DU3?
We see how well that's been working.
 

A jury of your PEE-ers.