jetty, i think this may be the damage that the 'progressives' need to finally split their party wide open to the issues they face; namely racism and making sure that blacks always vote Dem, and stay ridiculously ignorant of what would help them the most; independant thought and support of the family as a whole.
the bottom line for them is this; when they learn to take responsibility for themselves in their own lives, they will see their 'leaders' for who they truly are.
it may not happen in this election but it appears that Obama is, unwittingly, forcing the issue to the tipping point - and at least the discussion is now starting for them.
It's painful to watch isn't it? I think people do see it, but they are loathe to speak out against it. Take for example frenchiecat talking about her pastor's ego...she knows her own pastor is a huckster, but since he tows the line she believes, she gives this inconsistency with his position a pass. A preacher, while intense and energetic, should also be humble. She glosses over this inconsistency in character. People seem to have to do a lot to convince themselves that this is right. This segment of the black community don't seem to be able to see their similarities to whites in the early 60's who knew racism was wrong, but just towed the line too for hucksters and racists because it was comfortable. I think what troubles blacks is the realization that they are indeed human like everyone else. Everyone sins, even groups that historically faced persecution. It's a painful lesson to go from victim to a fallen soul with capacity for evil like everyone else.
we used to belong to a very 'uppity' church here and the pastor is black and fairly well known for stirring shit storms in the press (most notably at Mt Si high school recently, which was NOT his doing, but he relishes the fight every chance he gets) .. now, while I agree with some of his stances, his inability to be a bit more humble was the turning point for my family.
he is a great guy, a solid friend and someone you definitely want in your corner in a spiritual crisis... BUT, he started talking about his trips to the White House a bit too much. And though he has made an admirable turn around in his own life from racism as a young man, some of his attitude I just cannot abide by.
So I get this issue on a personal level, and even though I love the guy, he is not a great leader in my eyes because he wants the limelight just a bit too much. So, to answer Frenchiecat... YES, your pastor DOES reflect on you and your congregation. Just as your friends reflect on you. Its called being held accountable and speaking up when you see them headed down the wrong path. Otherwise, why are they your friends, family, congregation?