Supreme Court upholds photo ID law for voters in Indiana

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underpants  (1000+ posts)       Mon Apr-28-08 10:53 AM
Original message
Supreme Court upholds photo ID law for voters in Indiana 
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WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court ruled Monday that states can require voters to produce photo identification without violating their constitutional rights, validating Republican-inspired voter ID laws.

In a splintered 6-3 ruling, the court upheld Indiana's strict photo ID requirement, which Democrats and civil rights groups said would deter poor, older and minority voters from casting ballots. Its backers said it was needed to deter fraud.

It was the most important voting rights case since the Bush v. Gore dispute that sealed the 2000 election for George W. Bush.

The law "is amply justified by the valid interest in protecting 'the integrity and reliability of the electoral process,'" Justice John Paul Stevens said in an opinion that was joined by Chief Justice John Roberts and Anthony Kennedy.

Justices Samuel Alito, Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas also agreed with the outcome, but wrote separately.

Justices Stephen Breyer, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and David Souter dissented.

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080428/ap_on_go_su_co/scot...

 So, basicly, you have to prove who you are in Indiana to vote.

digidigido (88 posts)       Mon Apr-28-08 11:22 AM
Response to Original message
2. Following the same logic, what's needed to deter voter fraud is a paper trail,
 and some form of verified voting. But then again, logic and reason haven't been the hallmark of the Supreme Court these last 8 years

However, if the people lied about who they are, then a papertrail is invalid. Logic, my dear digo, is a two edged sword.

jayfish  (1000+ posts)       Mon Apr-28-08 11:39 AM
Response to Reply #3
5. It Destroys The Idea Of A Secret Ballot.
 Since your name is associated with your ballot you can be targeted for harassment.

Jay 

You still have to register to vote....with your name.

fascisthunter  (1000+ posts)      Mon Apr-28-08 01:58 PM
Response to Reply #5
24. Isn't This Like a Poll Tax?

thought the leftists liked taxes

debunkthelies (36 posts)       Mon Apr-28-08 04:48 PM
Response to Reply #24
43. Yes
 and if they want picture ID's the state should have to supply FREE picture ID's to everyone. 

 


wait for it...

lynne (1000+ posts)      Mon Apr-28-08 06:07 PM
Response to Reply #43
46. Indiana says they will provide free photo ID's to those who can't afford one -
 - from an AP article:

"Indiana provides IDs free of charge to people without driver's licenses. It also allows voters who lack photo ID's to cast a provisional ballot and then show up within 10 days at their county courthouse to produce identification or otherwise attest to their identity."

Maybe I'm the minority but I have no problem with this, especially given the above allowances. 

 

ananda  (1000+ posts)      Mon Apr-28-08 08:27 PM
Response to Reply #5
49. Actually..
 .. doesn't it amount to a kind of poll tax
and voter intimidation tactic?

For the poor, elderly, disabled, and other
groups, getting that kind of ID could be
very difficult and time consuming. They
might just be inclined to give up on it
or not do it.

But, then, that's the idea, isn't it?

talking points are getting old...

Vincardog  (1000+ posts)      Mon Apr-28-08 11:45 AM
Response to Reply #3
7. The whole picture ID frame is a bullshit cover for JIM CROW. The only election fraud we should be
 worried about is the BBV election theft that has been perpetrated against us in 2000 2002 2004 and 2006.

 

what they don't get is it's been marshall law fer like fifteen years now...

Up2Late  (1000+ posts)       Mon Apr-28-08 03:19 PM
Response to Reply #3
34. Which is exactly why this law should have been struck down, it's putting the cart before the horse. 
 Unless the State provides the funding for the a mandatory State I.D. (and the costs associated with assisting those who need help with the process) they should not require a State issued I.D. to vote. It's clearly a state manufactured obstacle to discourage the poor and mentally handicapped people from voting.

uh...you read the part about Indiana giving free photo IDs?

MilesColtrane  (1000+ posts)      Mon Apr-28-08 03:22 PM
Response to Original message
35. There goes the Amish vote.
 They don't willingly allow themselves to be photographed.

w.....h...........a.....t......?

[Bondai]

Uh...I don't want the mentally handicapped voting...just sayin'

[jukin]

This is going to twist the Dumbasses panties into a soooooooooper wedgy.

[Lord Undies]

It's clearly a state manufactured obstacle to discourage the poor and mentally handicapped people from voting.

They must be talking about poor and mentally handicapped vampires who will not photograph.  Maybe we could consider accepting a death certificate. 

[Chris_]

Uh...I don't want the mentally hanicapped voting...just sayin'

I see you are showing your brilliance again.

There is no "mental threshold" test in the USC.  If there was one, then the right to vote would be revoked automatically when everyone submitted their democrat party registration.  And, in your case, upon birth.

I have known and loved many "mentally handicapped" people -- they can reason quite well and the simplicity in their thought processes actually pierce straight to the issues at hand.

I would trust their judgment over the self-superior types such as yourself.

[Chris_]

This is going to twist the Dumbasses panties into a soooooooooper wedgy.

When the Government takes away your ability to steal elections, it definitely puts a crimp in your strategy.

[PatriotGame]

MilesColtrane  (1000+ posts)      Mon Apr-28-08 03:22 PM
Response to Original message
35. There goes the Amish vote.
They don't willingly allow themselves to be photographed.

Well then, I guess vampires are screwed too. 

[rich_t]

MilesColtrane  (1000+ posts)      Mon Apr-28-08 03:22 PM
Response to Original message
35. There goes the Amish vote.
They don't willingly allow themselves to be photographed.

Well then, I guess vampires are screwed too. 

Vampires don't mind if you take their picture...  They simply don't show up on film.

 

[Chris_]

MilesColtrane  (1000+ posts)      Mon Apr-28-08 03:22 PM
Response to Original message
35. There goes the Amish vote.
They don't willingly allow themselves to be photographed.

Well then, I guess vampires are screwed too.  :mental:

Vampires don't mind if you take their picture...  They simply don't show up on film.

 :mental:

It sort of explains TNO's new avatar.

[Rebel]

The Amish don't participate in elections anyway.

[rich_t]

The Amish don't participate in elections anyway.

I'm not sure I agree with such a blanket statement.

The Amish have different sects under the Amish umbrella.

But if they don't want to prove their eligibilty to vote, then they can't vote.

I don't have a problem with that.

[Rebel]

Don't get me wrong, I wholeHEARTEDLY agree with proving your identity. The Amish, however, don't participate in government. At least the ones who follow the older sect.

[franksolich]

As rich said, there's different sects of the Amish; we have them here too.

I was always under the impression it was okay with them that their picture be taken, but they don't want a copy.

Now, wait for the primitives and sub-primitives to go ballistic when they figure out there's Moslem women in America who won't be photographed without their veils.  The veils of course cover their facial features, making them impossible to identify as individuals with individual characteristics.

There was a court case about this in Nebraska a few years ago, concerning a driver's license. 

A native Nebraska woman who had gone hip, cool, with it, trendy, and converted to Islam wanted her driver's license to show her veiled, as it was against her new religion to unveil herself.

The court ruled she had to be unveiled.  I don't know what happened after that; I was interested however in one aspect others seemed to miss--this woman had willingly and voluntarily and even enthusiastically submitted herself to the veil (dominance by men), but wanted a driver's license?

I still wonder what was up with that.

But the primitives have no cause to complain.  In the 1920s, as the socialists consolidated their control over Moslem-populated areas near central Asia, they issued mandatory identification cards, including a photograph of the holder.  Moslem women were compelled, sometimes by gun-point, to strip off their veils.  Many committed suicide rather than doing that.

But because the socialists did it, surely it has to be okay with the primitives and sub-primitives.

[Bondai]

Uh...I don't want the mentally hanicapped voting...just sayin'

I see you are showing your brilliance again.

There is no "mental threshold" test in the USC.  If there was one, then the right to vote would be revoked automatically when everyone submitted their democrat party registration.  And, in your case, upon birth.

I have known and loved many "mentally handicapped" people -- they can reason quite well and the simplicity in their thought processes actually pierce straight to the issues at hand.

I would trust their judgment over the self-superior types such as yourself.

Buzz off stalker...

[delilahmused]

ananda  (1000+ posts)      Mon Apr-28-08 08:27 PM
Response to Reply #5
49. Actually..
 .. doesn't it amount to a kind of poll tax
and voter intimidation tactic?

For the poor, elderly, disabled, and other
groups, getting that kind of ID could be
very difficult and time consuming. They
might just be inclined to give up on it
or not do it.

But, then, that's the idea, isn't it?

God forbid we should expect citizens to put forth any effort while participating in the democratic process. All rights have responsibilities. My grandmother is almost 90 years old, I've never once heard her complain about having to put forth effort to vote. If Shaniqua can show ID to apply for food stamps, welfare, and free birth control, she can damn well show it when voting. I don't think it's any more of a hassle to show ID to get free stuff than it is to put forth a little effort voting for those officials who want to give you such a bounty (especially when it comes from the hard work of your fellow citizens).

Cindie

[Lord Undies]

ananda  (1000+ posts)      Mon Apr-28-08 08:27 PM
Response to Reply #5
49. Actually..
 .. doesn't it amount to a kind of poll tax
and voter intimidation tactic?

For the poor, elderly, disabled, and other
groups, getting that kind of ID could be
very difficult and time consuming. They
might just be inclined to give up on it
or not do it.

But, then, that's the idea, isn't it?

No, that is not the idea, idiot.

The idea is to stop so many damn dead and illegal democrats from voting.  The idea is to make people like me think that maybe my vote will not be cancelled-out by the next six bogus votes cast by dead or illegal democrats.

The "poor, elderly, disabled, and other groups" who find obtaining a proper ID too troublesome or time consuming will be making a personal choice.  If voting is important to them, they will find a way.  They seem to be able to muster the time and strength to meet society's other ID requirements - at least I can assume they do.  Our social programs are not hurting for participants, and those programs require ID to join.

I've heard requiring ID to vote is like a poll tax.  That meme is absurd.  It is possible in many places to obtain a legal ID without charge.  Even if if does cost a small amount, that cost still isn't a poll tax.

I don't live within walking distance of my polling place.  I must drive there.  I do not receive a gasoline voucher from the government.  It costs me to get there.  Is that a poll tax?  I can't go to the polls naked.   I don't receive a government voucher for poll clothing.  I have to buy clothes.  Is that a poll tax?  I have to eat to keep up my strength to make it to the poll.........

You folks have screamed and foamed at the mouth about "stolen elections" and "voter fraud" and "disenfranchised voters" (which is what I am when an illegal vote is cast in opposition to my proper vote), but you can't seem to get behind any program to stop these thing which anger you.  This makes me think you people are phony-ass liars who know the real score but refuse to be honest about it.

Why not, DUmbasses, stop trying to fight common sense?  Instead of bitching and whining about ID being required, why don't you get your useless asses busy seeing to it that those in your voting block get the proper ID.  All this angst over something you now cannot change is a waste of time.  Get busy and do something productive.  The Supreme Court has spoken and it isn't going to change.  Thank God.       

[Chris_]

ananda  (1000+ posts)      Mon Apr-28-08 08:27 PM
Response to Reply #5
49. Actually..
 .. doesn't it amount to a kind of poll tax
and voter intimidation tactic?

For the poor, elderly, disabled, and other
groups, getting that kind of ID could be
very difficult and time consuming. They
might just be inclined to give up on it
or not do it.

But, then, that's the idea, isn't it?

No, that is not the idea, idiot.

The idea is to stop so many damn dead and illegal democrats from voting.  The idea is to make people like me think that maybe my vote will not be cancelled-out by the next six bogus votes cast by dead or illegal democrats.

The "poor, elderly, disabled, and other groups" who find obtaining a proper ID too troublesome or time consuming will be making a personal choice.  If voting is important to them, they will find a way.  They seem to be able to muster the time and strength to meet society's other ID requirements - at least I can assume they do.  Our social programs are not hurting for participants, and those programs require ID to join.

I've heard requiring ID to vote is like a poll tax.  That meme is absurd.  It is possible in many places to obtain a legal ID without charge.  Even if if does cost a small amount, that cost still isn't a poll tax.

I don't live within walking distance of my polling place.  I must drive there.  I do not receive a gasoline voucher from the government.  It costs me to get there.  Is that a poll tax?  I can't go to the polls naked.   I don't receive a government voucher for poll clothing.  I have to buy clothes.  Is that a poll tax?  I have to eat to keep up my strength to make it to the poll.........

You folks have screamed and foamed at the mouth about "stolen elections" and "voter fraud" and "disenfranchised voters" (which is what I am when an illegal vote is cast in opposition to my proper vote), but you can't seem to get behind any program to stop these thing which anger you.  This makes me think you people are phony-ass liars who know the real score but refuse to be honest about it.

Why not, DUmbasses, stop trying to fight common sense?  Instead of bitching and whining about ID being required, why don't you get your useless asses busy seeing to it that those in your voting block get the proper ID.  All this angst over something you now cannot change is a waste of time.  Get busy and do something productive.  The Supreme Court has spoken and it isn't going to change.  Thank God.       

[Chris_]

Uh...I don't want the mentally hanicapped voting...just sayin'

I see you are showing your brilliance again.

There is no "mental threshold" test in the USC.  If there was one, then the right to vote would be revoked automatically when everyone submitted their democrat party registration.  And, in your case, upon birth.

I have known and loved many "mentally handicapped" people -- they can reason quite well and the simplicity in their thought processes actually pierce straight to the issues at hand.

I would trust their judgment over the self-superior types such as yourself.

Buzz off stalker...

I addressed THIS THREAD -- the fact you show up and spout your self-important hatred on the threads where there are real points to be made by grown-ups merely means you desire knowledge but just can't seem to get it.

I emphasized your original point so everyone can see and take in exactly what you said.