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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: LC EFA on March 02, 2009, 04:20:00 PM
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I've noticed that when lefties complain about "greed", they like to suggest limiting the ability of others to accumulate or generate wealth. They seem to gloss over their own abject greed when demanding said wealth to be redistributed to them with no obligation, achievement or effort.
kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Mon Mar-02-09 02:49 PM
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F*ck the Dow.... Can Greed Die Already? Updated at 4:27 PM
F*ck the Dow.... Can Greed Die Already?
by kubla000
Mon Mar 02, 2009 at 10:15:05 AM PST
Excuse the rant, i just got to thinking...
the Dow has never helped the middle class get healthcare... instead the continous drive for "profit" created death by spreadsheet.
the Dow didn't give me or you or my mom a raise... instead the continious drive for "profit" capped the income of the working class
the Dow didn't create my job... instead it caused my neighbor to lose his job as it was shipped to India in the seek of "profit"
the Dow won't save my job... instead it may kill it... so today, as it drops, I say **** the dow because finally the greedy bastards on Wall Street are feeling the heat that we've been living in for decades.
more at: Kos Link (http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/3/2/125413/8913/96/703662)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5169259
The kaput primitive has grabbed a hold of the stupid stick and hit the dumb ball right outta the stadium here.
Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Mon Mar-02-09 02:50 PM
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1. agreed
the dow does not an economy make
The primitives agree with kaput here.
Do they even know what the DJIA is and represents ?
earth mom (1000+ posts) Mon Mar-02-09 04:55 PM
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15. When you exploit others to make your money-this is what you get. Karma. nt
How the hell do you make money unless you "exploit others" (yes I know that using "exploit" here is very poor use of language).
crimsonblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Mon Mar-02-09 03:01 PM
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6. Greed is inherent in all of biology, and it is biologically important.
Greed stems from the need to better oneself, or make one better than other competitors. This increases the ability of the individual, or organism, to propogate and spread its genetics. Animals mate like crazy and nature truly is a dog-eat-dog world. In nature, as in society, the craftiest, best organisms will rise to the top. Now, in the case of society, this is not necessarily a good thing, as it can cause deplorable conditions for those below. But I'm not going to debate the moral goodness of greed; it's sufficient enough to say that it is necessary and sometimes beneficial.
The primitive is scared they might reach the conclusion that "greed is good".
crimsonblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Mar-02-09 03:18 PM
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10. The solution is to move to another planet.
In order for the long-term survival of our species to be secured, we need to branch out past the earth. We need to mass-colonize the moon and Mars. I'd be willing to bet that there will be > 50 million people living on the moon and Mars by the year 4000.
Earth First. We can strip mine the other planets later.
hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Mon Mar-02-09 03:20 PM
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11. nature is typically not dog-eat-dog
It's dog eat deer or dog eat rabbit or dog eat turkey, but not dog eat dog. And the deer are eating my azaleas. And that wascawwy wabbit is eating my carrots. Greed, particularly homicidal greed, is not necessary. Nor are the craftiest, or the meanest and strongest, necessarily the 'best'.
What the...
You must live in a city.
DrZeeLit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Mon Mar-02-09 03:02 PM
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7. Thanks. 30 years of working my ass off (altho, dammit I still have an ass) and saving via 401K and
Edited on Mon Mar-02-09 03:02 PM by DrZeeLit
Tax Deferred Annuities (because I am a teacher and our pension is b.s.)... and IRA....just sinking into the sunset.
Great.
Yeah.... "The Dow".... but you know... it's NOT all fat cats sipping champagne.
It's me, and millions of other middle class Americans, who have invested -- and I'll tell you, I did my homework on this stuff.
I'm 57. I hope I can rebuild. But whoa... it's a blow to the solar plexus.
It's my mom, who was an RN her entire life, now 82 years old. Half that time, she worked as a nurse in downtown LA. She NEVER had a retirement plan; later she worked for a doctor in private practice.
As you know, nobody can live on only Social Security. My mom is totally "with it" -- but she can't go back to work.
So, she's home, watching a lifetime of savings go down the drain.
I don't know that she hasn't moved money into bonds; I hope so, but I'm not happy that she has to worry at this stage in her life.
I, for one, am not happy about this.
Maybe you should rethink your rant?
This is a very complicated situation that can't be covered in a blanket rant.
A glimmer of sanity in this post.
leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Mon Mar-02-09 03:10 PM
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9. I think of the Dow as the countdown clock to the end of "American" capitalism
You will not like the system that would inevitably replace capitalism if it fails. People like you are slaves or dead in such a system.
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It would seem that the reality of where the economy is headed and that O took full reins of that horse is sinking in a little.
If things get as bad as they could get and I am not predicting that take note DUmmies.
Try to get at my food and you will have an ugly surprise waiting for you,no sympathy will be held.
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Let's listen to the wisdom of Warren Zevon, shall we?
Send lawyers, guns and money,
For the shit has hit the fan.
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The kaput primitive has grabbed a hold of the stupid stick and hit the dumb ball right outta the stadium here.
H5, one capitalist to another, cuz I needed that laugh. :-)
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It makes me laugh that these people think they are gifted and talented.
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kpete
F*ck the Dow.... Can Greed Die Already?
What they call greed is what other prople call an honest day's work.
Ah, the anger and hatred from the types who don't have the intellect nor the fortitude to pave their own way in life towards those who refuse to sit idly around and do nothing but complain. The kpete primitives of the world never seem to realize that despite what type of man-imposed economy might be yoked to the population, the inward desire to be free and to reach one's potential in order to better oneself will always squash those who try and get in their way.
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Let's listen to the wisdom of Warren Zevon, shall we?
Send lawyers, guns and money,
For the shit has hit the fan.
when 'greed dies' we are all out of jobs and its time to go Donner Party
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when 'greed dies' we are all out of jobs and its time to go Donner Party
That's what the guns are for. Keeps 'em from going all cannibalistic on us.
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I'm actually pumping extra money in. I'm a long way from retirement right now, and I am more than happy to be picking up assets on the cheap, even if they detriorate further for a while. DUmmies are always to wraooed up in the moment.
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I'm actually pumping extra money in. I'm a long way from retirement right now, and I am more than happy to be picking up assets on the cheap, even if they detriorate further for a while. DUmmies are always to wraooed up in the moment.
One of the stocks I own quite a bunch of is down something like 50% in the last 12 months.. I just bought another 4000 shares. They'll go back up. I'll make a killing.
If not; it was my badbet.
Apparently, in taking advantage of a buyers market I will have stolen a big pile of money from some poor people, but I fail to see how.
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Mon Mar-02-09 06:39 PM
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59. Exactly
We should have never been put in control of this. The only thing left standing after all the diversification we were harrassed into doing, is the CD's and other guaranteed money accounts. The average American doesn't know squat about the stock market, as evidenced by some of the posts on DU today, no question!
I agree with the expert at the senate hearing... this is what I've been saying since the proverbial poo hit the fan.
Um, the admonition to diversify usually comes as a warning not to put all your eggs in the basket of risky stocks. If you're perfectly happy with your returns from a CD, Treasuries, Savings Bonds, whatever, I don't think anyone would "harrass" you into something with more risk. Dumbass.
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Um, the admonition to diversify usually comes as a warning not to put all your eggs in the basket of risky stocks. If you're perfectly happy with your returns from a CD, Treasuries, Savings Bonds, whatever, I don't think anyone would "harrass" you into something with more risk. Dumbass.
The DUmmies hear a "financial adviser" or whatever passes as such, telling them "You can make a higher return from xyz than from abc, but the risk is far greater" , to be harassment.
They also don't hear or understand the last part of the statement, or choose to ignore it until it comes time to point the finger.
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"F*ck the Dow.... Can Greed Die Already?".....Suits the hell outta me..... Cut all the greedy gummint TIT suckers off of government entitlements and the DOW will soar. ...and the "greedy" will die or go to work.
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What the Hell is the kaput primitive talking about here?
The kaput primitive lives an affluent, easy, comfortable, wealthy life, in one of those gated communities of southern California.
The kaput primitive should know "greed" when the kaput primitive sees it.
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What the Hell is the kaput primitive talking about here?
The kaput primitive lives an affluent, easy, comfortable, wealthy life, in one of those gated communities of southern California.
The kaput primitive should know "greed" when the kaput primitive sees it.
Disinformation, Coach, . . . disinformation. Don't let the rest of the primitives know that they have one of the "evil rich" among them.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Mon Mar-02-09 03:20 PM
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11. nature is typically not dog-eat-dog
It's dog eat deer or dog eat rabbit or dog eat turkey, but not dog eat dog. And the deer are eating my azaleas. And that wascawwy wabbit is eating my carrots. Greed, particularly homicidal greed, is not necessary. Nor are the craftiest, or the meanest and strongest, necessarily the 'best'.
This DUmmie needs to let his Setter run loose in coyote country for a quick lesson.
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LOL!
We have a pack of coyotes that runs the big arroyo behind my house.
They have "appropriated" several neighborhood bitches into their pack, the most amusing of which is a pure bred Joker Spaniel. I sure hope she doesn't have puppies, those would be some UGLY dogs.
What an allegory for a bunch of ne'er do wells that come into a upstanding neighborhood. H5!
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My Mom sent me this video today. It is most excellent. Screw you DUmmies.
[youtube=425,350]RWsx1X8PV_A[/youtube]
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Thanks. I forget how stupid and anti-American Phil Donahue really is.
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Thanks. I forget how stupid and anti-American Phil Donahue really is.
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I think he is even more of an ass today than he was back then.
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My Mom sent me this video today. It is most excellent. Screw you DUmmies.
[youtube=425,350]RWsx1X8PV_A[/youtube]
Thank you Milt (and Beggie!)..... that made my day. I am stealing that...
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Thank you Milt (and Beggie!)..... that made my day. I am stealing that...
Are you going to give me something for it? You know, me being greedy and all.
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You go Milt!
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Are you going to give me something for it? You know, me being greedy and all.
How about a kiss from little old immoral me. :evillaugh:
Don't worry, me being immoral and all, I just kiss men who are spoken for. :tongue:
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How about a kiss from little old immoral me. :evillaugh:
I want more (greed again).
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I want more (greed again).
gimme gimme gimme....
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Pictures ladies, pictures.
:naughty:
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Pictures ladies, pictures.
:naughty:
It will have to be via PM, we can't have any of these shenanigans happening in public.
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Liberals see govt as their god. These primitives seem perplexed as to why originals sin isn't gone with the election of Obama.
We expose them as hypocrites and fools time and again, yet they remain blind to their own folly. They will drag us down to the abyss blaming our policies and now theirs.