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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: dutch508 on October 02, 2019, 05:59:46 PM
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PNW-Dem (70 posts)
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212528400
Am I the only one who's not afraid of a "civil war"?
Not that it has any chance of happening, but am I supposed to be afraid of a bunch of tubby MAGA hat wearing losers?
:cheersmate:
Oh, I'm betting it happens sooner rather than later.
Star Member calguy (1,359 posts)
1. Not worried here
Those dudes are all talk and no brains.
live love laugh (3,381 posts)
93. It's domestic terrorism by Republicans
Last edited Tue Oct 1, 2019, 05:08 PM - Edit history (2)
Not worried about any actual war which would mean us arming against “them”. That’s really not the case. They’re basically planning to try to stifle dissent with AR 15s.
beachbumbob (1,676 posts)
3. I am a 2nd amendment democrat so I have little fear
Why haven't you turned in your firearms, Comrade? :popcorn:
Star Member sharedvalues (6,746 posts)
56. You mean the false 2nd Amendment interpretation created by Scalia?
A fraud on the American public." That’s how former Chief Justice Warren Burger described the idea that the Second Amendment gives an unfettered individual right to a gun. When he spoke these words to PBS in 1990, the rock-ribbed conservative appointed by Richard Nixon was expressing the longtime consensus of historians and judges across the political spectrum.
https://www.brennancenter.org/analysis/how-nra-rewrote-second-amendment
Star Member X_Digger (18,480 posts)
107. You mean the right that the same framers ensconced in their respective state constitutions?
The present-day Pennsylvania Constitution, using language adopted in 1790, declares: "The right of the citizens to bear arms in defence of themselves and the State shall not be questioned."
Vermont: Adopted in 1777, the Vermont Constitution closely tracks the Pennsylvania Constitution. It states "That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and the State.."
Kentucky: The 1792 Kentucky constitution was nearly contemporaneous with the Second Amendment, which was ratified in 1791. Kentucky declared: "That the right of the citizens to bear arms in defence of themselves and the State, shall not be questioned."
Alabama: The Alabama Constitution, adopted in 1819, guarantees "that every citizen has a right to bear arms in defense of himself and the state".
Funny how this 'militia only' nonsense ignores the states' founding documents, some even ratified before the federal amendment.
Of course, nobody except Michael Waldman (the author of the piece) claims anyone expects an 'unfettered' right.
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Star Member sharedvalues (6,746 posts)
110. You're talking about the widespread opinion of everyone
Before the NRA and their rightwing billionaire donors changed the interpretation to use gun identity politics to get votes.
Ps that same change and same gun identity politics gets our children massacred at schools.
Thanks, NRA. Thanks, John Roberts. Thanks, Federalist Society.
Star Member sharedvalues (6,746 posts)
119. Can't help you if you're going to ignore fact
And take quotes out of context
Star Member X_Digger (18,480 posts)
120. Facts like no law ever passed said. 'guns are for militias only'?
Facts like that?
****ing duh.
Here's a fact you seem to have missed.. from 1790, BEFORE the federal amendments..
"The right of the citizens to bear arms in defence of themselves and the State shall not be questioned."
How's that "militia only" bullshit sit with that?
Star Member alittlelark (16,852 posts)
34. No debate there - but the R's are trying to invoke FEAR
The US Civil War was hideous, and drawn on semi-distinct lines. A new one will NOT be so easily differentiated. We live next door to each other and our kids play on the same soccer team.....
Star Member lapfog_1 (22,090 posts)
6. not afraid of them
but it is LIKELY we will see (more) Trump inspired mass shootings... and a non-zero chance of targeted assassination attempts on Democratic Leaders
Star Member malaise (196,326 posts)
11. Seriously who do you think would fight a civil war over
Don the Con - this ****er has never once had 50% approval.
He will learn.
Star Member Blue_true (17,160 posts)
13. The problem is, those people have no idea of what a civil war is like.
They really think that they will still be able to go out for the $5 breakfast at IHOP and attend their bingo games and chuckle about cute pictures of the kids or grandkids at the beach.
customerserviceguy (22,125 posts)
106. And a lot of people on the ultra-progressive side
have no idea what a "revolution" will look like, yet they have dreamy recollections (many of which are second-hand) about how "cool" the 1960's were.
Star Member Blue_true (17,160 posts)
26. I have been an advocate of splitting up the nation.
And moving people to the country they prefer, with a right to minor children to change countries at 21 years of age.
We could have a mutual defense for the first 20 years, but after that each country must have build it's own military and federal police.
bluestarone (6,721 posts)
29. If that's what it takes to get this asshole out
SO BE IT!!! For the Grandkids!
NCLefty (1,606 posts)
36. The first one killed 620,000 Americans. We should all be afraid of that.
Of course, the first civil war had clearly-delineated lines.... north v. south. How do we conduct one where any given American neighborhood could be split red/blue?
I'm not sure I see this happening over Donald Trump, but I'm not going to taunt the notion either.
(https://www.realclearpolitics.com/news_images-on_site/countymap.jpg)
Pretty easy I'd say. These idiots think the American Civil War was perfectly drawn sides. It wasn't.
Star Member rownesheck (758 posts)
62. Not worried.
In fact, I welcome it.
:mental:
Star Member Aristus (47,503 posts)
90. I'm not.
Their precious AR-15's wouldn't even scratch the paint of my old, trusty M1 Abrams. I would gladly re-up at age 51 to help take down those mother****ers.
Star Member LakeArenal (7,507 posts)
101. I remember the good ole boys' days
When they threatened to secede from the Union. That worked out well for them.
As Jon Stewart used to say: Proceeded.
:thatsright:
Star Member wasupaloopa (4,190 posts)
128. Can you see a bunch of mama's boys going up
against their state national guard?
You have seen how in shape and organized those folks at trump’s rallies are.
Star Member Alea (594 posts)
134. Yep. Most comments in this thread refer to out of control protest, not civil war.
True civil war between the right and the left would be ugly and disastrous. If it happened with a repub president they would have the military and police on their side, minus maybe 25-30% that would defect to our side. If it happened with a Democrat president, 70% of the military and police would defect to the right. Cities would be cut off and burn from within once people started running out of food. Looting, rioting, and roving gangs would destroy what was left. Cities can't feed themselves. Rural America can.
That doesn't even take in to account that most Democrats don't own guns and most repubs do, and just as most military and police are on the right, most former military and police are on the right. Their Army would out number our Army.
True Civil War would not be 1861 America North vs South. It would be Left vs Right, and it would not be a few groups of meal team 6 maga's going berserk at antifa protests. Those are just protesters getting out of hand. True Civil War would encompass most of the Country and it would suck bad.
Might be fun to talk about but it really really needs to be avoided at all cost. I hope it never happens.
:cheersmate:
Creature (1 post)
136. take a breather, people
Most responses to this thread are severely myopic. A civil war would end very badly for us. To believe otherwise is foolish and downright dangerous. I am a realist. The fact of the matter is that most of us do not own (or even have access to) a single firearm..by choice...unlike the rePunks. Every single rePunk that I know owns guns. Lots of them. Even a tubby redneck, who has been shooting guns from a young age, could do a lot of damage to a gathering of us if we were ever ready to get "hands on" physical. I think the posturing in this thread just makes us look stupid.
Bernardo de La Paz (29,476 posts)
137. So, for your first post you tell DU members they are stupid. Welcome to DU, I think. Enjoy your stay
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Hey Creature got it in one post. And the other DUmbasses are pissed he spoke the truth.
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Who says a Civil War would even involve guns? You know primitives, there's all sorts of things one can do that will upset your little visions of a liberal utopia and destroy what you would wish America to become, and none of them involve using weapons.
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Who says a Civil War would even involve guns? You know primitives, there's all sorts of things one can do that will upset your little visions of a liberal utopia and destroy what you would wish America to become, and none of them involve using weapons.
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Take away their drugs?
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Take away their drugs?
Blockades.
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DUmmies are afraid of plastic straws. And they think they could win a civil war?
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Star Member lapfog_1 (22,090 posts)
6. not afraid of them
but it is LIKELY we will see (more) Trump inspired mass shootings... and a non-zero chance of targeted assassination attempts on Democratic Leaders
Steve Scalise was already shot by a lefty Bernie supporter and Rand Paul assaulted by a lefty kook neighbor. As far as I can tell no one on the left has been targeted because of politics.
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I'm not at my age 30 fighting weight but can shoot the hell out of the Ten RIng at 200 mtrs.
I'm not afraid. I'm concerned where the dEVIL left is pushing decent and civilized people.
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Wow -- a lefty who gets it. Blind pig finds a truffle:
Star Member Alea (594 posts)
134. Yep. Most comments in this thread refer to out of control protest, not civil war.
True civil war between the right and the left would be ugly and disastrous. If it happened with a repub president they would have the military and police on their side, minus maybe 25-30% that would defect to our side. If it happened with a Democrat president, 70% of the military and police would defect to the right. Cities would be cut off and burn from within once people started running out of food. Looting, rioting, and roving gangs would destroy what was left. Cities can't feed themselves. Rural America can.
That doesn't even take in to account that most Democrats don't own guns and most repubs do, and just as most military and police are on the right, most former military and police are on the right. Their Army would out number our Army.
True Civil War would not be 1861 America North vs South. It would be Left vs Right, and it would not be a few groups of meal team 6 maga's going berserk at antifa protests. Those are just protesters getting out of hand. True Civil War would encompass most of the Country and it would suck bad.
Might be fun to talk about but it really really needs to be avoided at all cost. I hope it never happens.
Implicit in that is that rural areas are all Conservative. That is where the FOOD comes from!!!
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Wow -- a lefty who gets it. Blind pig finds a truffle:
Implicit in that is that rural areas are all Conservative. That is where the FOOD comes from!!!
They'd quickly resort to the Soviet tactics of the early 20s when the peasants stopped bringing in food to the cities because they were working for nothing and being paid in worthless money - they sent armed parties out to seized food and the farmers be damned, because the urban workers were the Commie power base. Which would probably turn out a lot differently in America than it did in the USSR.
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There's two other vulnerabilities for the other side in a civil war that I never see detailed: if the primitives on Skins's island are any indication, the left would expect "other people" to do their fighting for them, and the left shows a deficiency in individual initiative and action, in risk-taking.
Those alone are pretty serious vulnerabilities.
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The people in these two links have spent more time thinking about CWII. It is good thinking and it does not good for the parasites on the left.
https://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/2012/09/03/bracken-when-the-music-stops-how-americas-cities-may-explode-in-violence/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLTDtXkiVjmg2kiLSK7-Aj_pbKKjiDLqed&time_continue=2875&v=aJh7Ye1Qvc8
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Wow -- a lefty who gets it. Blind pig finds a truffle:
Implicit in that is that rural areas are all Conservative. That is where the FOOD comes from!!!
guess where their water comes from......large city infrastructure is extremely vulnerable.
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There's two other vulnerabilities for the other side in a civil war that I never see detailed: if the primitives on Skins's island are any indication, the left would expect "other people" to do their fighting for them, and the left shows a deficiency in individual initiative and action, in risk-taking.
Those alone are pretty serious vulnerabilities.
As always frank hits the nail on the head.
All mouth and no trousers - they expect other people (usually 'the government') to do everything for them, why would this be any different?
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The Left makes me laugh when it comes to this subject.
We can shut-down all communications within hours. They'll slide into chaos a whole lot faster than we ever will. We're the ones who're committed to saving the Country.