primitives discuss reparations

[franksolich]

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211470485

Oh my.

Soph0571 (1,481 posts)     Sun Nov 25, 2018, 09:23 AM

Should we pay Reparations for Slavery?

Western wealth is built on slavery. Of that there can be no doubt. Enslavement as happened to African people and those of African descent is something different and unparalleled in human history. Those who seek reparations talk about the ongoing effects of slavery within certain communities. That inter-generational transmission of trauma has a significant effect still today – the descendants of the enslaved have described this as a lack of connection, a lack of identity, a lack of nationhood, a lack of feeling rooted, or being treated as a minority community when in reality they are from global majority populations. It is about having second class status and citizenship wherever the enslaved descendants have been located as a result of the dispersal and de-population that happened originally in Africa.

Slavery and genocide have impacted, not only the historical populations that were kidnapped from Africa, but also the descendants of the enslaved today. It is not only about trauma and multi-generational oppression but also about the unjust enrichment to nations due to slavery, coupled with unjust impoverishment which has been passed on throughout the generations of the enslaved descendants.

A big part of the legacy of slavery is surely this high level of inequality that can be seen today between the descendants of the enslavers and the descendants of the enslaved.

The empowerment and enrichment of the US and the UK, to name 2 nations, came from enslavement, colonialism and ill-gotten gains. Should we not, if we want to be an equal and fair society, balance the books?

Of course, the primitive expects "other people" to pay it; she's a "good" white, so she shouldn't have to.

The thread's pretty long; it stretches from here to Calcutta almost.

JonLP24 (22,999 posts)   Sun Nov 25, 2018, 09:27 AM
 
1. Yes

WhiskeyGrinder (3,714 posts)      Sun Nov 25, 2018, 09:28 AM

2. Yep.

And that's pretty much how it goes.....but with a few speed bumps:

brooklynite (46,593 posts)      Sun Nov 25, 2018, 09:46 AM

4. Let us know when you have the details worked out...

Does any African American get a share, or do they have to document an enslaved relative?

What about Caribbean African Americans enslaved by the British?

Do non-African Americans have to contribute to the reparations fund if they came to the US after the 14th Amendment was passed?

Is there a supplementary payment by southerners who lived with Jim Crow laws after slavery was abolished?

metroins (2,448 posts)      Sun Nov 25, 2018, 10:29 AM

10. No

Just work for a better future for all people.

MichMan (2,106 posts)         Sun Nov 25, 2018, 12:40 PM
 
29. Didn't many of those African nations facilitate the slave trade ?

cwydro (29,837 posts)      Sun Nov 25, 2018, 01:02 PM

34. Yes indeed.

Very few clean hands regarding the slave trade.

While the majority's "yes as long as other people but me has to pay them," there's enough dissension to cause Lamond, the MrsCorpio primitive, some unease that he might not get anything.

rampartc (232 posts)      Mon Nov 26, 2018, 06:56 AM

154. no. how are reparations fair to the descendants of the many

yankees lost in the effort to free the slaves, and to those who survived that conflict?

how are reparations fair to the descendants of the millions of immigrants who came to the usa after the slaves were freed?

reparation of a sort was possible during reconstruction, when the plantations could have been broken into 40 acre tracts and when war surplus mules were plentiful.

the amortized value of 40 acres and a mule is now many millions of dollars, multiplied by 30 million african americans, that is enough money to pay for several f-35s and a full bailout of wall st, includung bonuses.

slavery ended 150 years ago. it was a tragic and shameful chapter in history but face it : reparations are never going to happen. lets find a way for all of us to move forward into a better world.

[Carl]

Will barry and hill pay reparations for Libyan slaves?

[FlaGator]

Soph0571 (1,481 posts)     Sun Nov 25, 2018, 09:23 AM

Should we pay Reparations for Slavery?

Western wealth is built on slavery.

What wealth that was created based on slavery has long be repaid (and then some) in Welfare benefits and health care.

[SVPete]

Soph0571 (1,481 posts)     Sun Nov 25, 2018, 09:23 AM

Should we pay Reparations for Slavery?

Western wealth is built on slavery.

Germany and the German states never had slavery.

Britain abolished slavery before the start of the Industrial Revolution.

France abolished slavery before the start of the Industrial Revolution.

The US abolished slavery around the start of the Industrial Revolution, and US slavery was mostly agricultural rather than industrial. Many plantations were demolished in the Civil War, and those that survived were unworkable.

Stupid premise, stupid conclusion.

brooklynite (46,593 posts)      Sun Nov 25, 2018, 09:46 AM

4. Let us know when you have the details worked out...
...
Do non-African Americans have to contribute to the reparations fund if they came to the US after the 14th Amendment was passed?
...

brooklynite's asked about half of my ancestry. My paternal grandparents came to the US from Russia in the first decade of the 20th Century.

There's a question brooklynite did not ask. My maternal ancestors lived in the North, and some fought on the Union side. Their sweat, possibly blood, and risking death made the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments possible.

[Undies]

The possibility of the payment of monetary "reparations" should be strictly between the black population ("the slaves") and the democrat party ("the enslavers").  Our local, state, and federal governments have no role.  Please leave normal people of every "color" out of it .

[Ralph Wiggum]

Since no one currently alive has engaged in slavery, how about we take this path instead.

Judge people on the content of their character, not the color of their skin.

[SVPete]

Since no one currently alive has engaged in slavery, how about we take this path instead.

Judge people on the content of their character, not the color of their skin.

It's interesting. Back 100+ years ago Booker T. Washington started Tuskegee Institute and urged blacks to make themselves so essential in their communities that discrimination would be economically untenable. W. E. B. DuBois opposed him and helped form the NAACP, urging confrontation. A large percentage of blacks turned from Washington and toward DuBois and confrontation.

Fast-forward 50-60 years, MLK Jr. confronted, peacefully, fighting for the socio-economic integration not unlike what Washington tried to bring about. He understood that confrontation needed to have practical, long-term goals and not be an end in itself. MLK's assassination created a leadership vacuum that was swiftly filled by self-seekers who maintained their influence by stirring up confrontation and violence as a goal. Whether or not it's what DuBois intended, his poison - confrontation as a strategy and goal - took many blacks from the precipice of successfully integrating as essential in society into, well, the messes exemplified by Detroit and Chicago.

[Skul]

Since no one currently alive has engaged in slavery, how about we take this path instead.

Judge people on the content of their character, not the color of their skin.

MLK

[Ralph Wiggum]

MLK

Of course, my friend. 

Libs don't give a crap about the substance anymore.

[Texacon]

Ever want to really rule up a SJW, talk about how much slaves were paid and how they were hired out. Some buying not only their own freedom, but others they wanted to hire.

It’s really hard to find the information, but it’s out there.

KC

[Ptarmigan]

Soph0571 (1,481 posts)     Sun Nov 25, 2018, 09:23 AM

Should we pay Reparations for Slavery?

Western wealth is built on slavery. Of that there can be no doubt. Enslavement as happened to African people and those of African descent is something different and unparalleled in human history. Those who seek reparations talk about the ongoing effects of slavery within certain communities. That inter-generational transmission of trauma has a significant effect still today – the descendants of the enslaved have described this as a lack of connection, a lack of identity, a lack of nationhood, a lack of feeling rooted, or being treated as a minority community when in reality they are from global majority populations. It is about having second class status and citizenship wherever the enslaved descendants have been located as a result of the dispersal and de-population that happened originally in Africa.

Slavery and genocide have impacted, not only the historical populations that were kidnapped from Africa, but also the descendants of the enslaved today. It is not only about trauma and multi-generational oppression but also about the unjust enrichment to nations due to slavery, coupled with unjust impoverishment which has been passed on throughout the generations of the enslaved descendants.

A big part of the legacy of slavery is surely this high level of inequality that can be seen today between the descendants of the enslavers and the descendants of the enslaved.

The empowerment and enrichment of the US and the UK, to name 2 nations, came from enslavement, colonialism and ill-gotten gains. Should we not, if we want to be an equal and fair society, balance the books?

Slave reparations already happened. Liberia was formed by American Colonization Society (ACS) to give former slaves freedom and better chance for prosperity.

Liberia Past And Present
http://www.liberiapastandpresent.org

[SVPete]

Ever want to really rule up a SJW, talk about how much slaves were paid and how they were hired out. Some buying not only their own freedom, but others they wanted to hire.

It’s really hard to find the information, but it’s out there.

KC

Uncle Tom's Cabin is a fictional story, not a documentary, but Stowe included a realistic wide range of master-slave situations, from Tom's kindly original owner to the sadistic Simon Legree. One slave owner, included near the beginning of the book, is black.

[FiddyBeowulf]

Soph0571 (1,481 posts)     Sun Nov 25, 2018, 09:23 AM

Should we pay Reparations for Slavery?

Western wealth is built on slavery. Of that there can be no doubt. Enslavement as happened to African people and those of African descent is something different and unparalleled in human history.

<cough> Jews <cough>