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Offline ReardenSteel

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Ad for Palin
« on: May 01, 2009, 12:50:01 PM »
In case there are any young whipper snappers about, this is the original Ronald Reagan ad...

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpwdcmjBgNA[/youtube]

And THIS is the genius Bear Ad remix...

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gU2R2rfnPW4&feature=PlayList&p=1329FF1A1ECBE48D&index=189[/youtube]

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Edit to add link:
http://www.conservatives4palin.com/2009/05/theres-bear-in-woods.html
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Re: Ad for Palin
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2009, 09:34:57 AM »
Okay, this is weird. I suddenly can't view the rest of this. I couldn't view the video either because they removed it for copyright reasons.

I don't want private healthcare destroyed. I'd like it to at least remain an option. But here's the thing about private healthcare. Unless your life is in danger, they don't really have to do anything for you. An example would be my sister. They insisted on her going to get lab work for her Diabetes three times a year just so she would get her blood pressure medicine. She couldn't afford all that lab work. There's no real assistance for lab work that I'm aware of outside of medicaid (which she would not have gotten because she's technically middle class even though she really couldn't afford Health insurance due to so many other financial burdens). She'd make payments on the bill just for them to say it's only interest, and they wouldn't take any real money off of the bill. The Emergency Room would not be able to help her with her bloodwork. They could take her in if she had a stroke due to not getting her blood pressure pills, but they wouldn't be able to do a darn thing to prevent it.

I've also spoken with people who have private health insurance. Sometimes, it won't cover pre-conditions (my case). They'll have to spend a good deal of money out of pocket if they want their prescriptions for Diabetes, Epilepsy, etc. Since I am in this situation, I'll be making an appointment with my campus doctor next week to get a prescription on my Asthma. Some say that's Socialism. First of all, it's not because I paid a fee. Next, I really don't have over a hundred dollars to spare for this doctor's appointment. So this is one area where "Socialized medicine" is better than private.

I've also spoken with people who have health insurance, but they won't cover anything serious like Cancer treatments. What good are they then? This puts them in the same boat as those who don't have health insurance at all. In some cases, it might be possible to get Medicaid to pay for some of the serious stuff, making Socialized medicine better again. (But I don't know how often they do help in situations like that to be honest. I just know they often will take up emergency stuff).

But then, you have situations like my father's. He was sick for two or three months. He naturally doesn't want to see a doctor. He used the excuse that he'll be going to VA.  Well, the VA doctor wouldn't diagnose him as being sick, TWICE. I finally talked him into going to a private doctor who admitted he was sick and wrote him a prescription. I took him once after he had his stroke. His doctor didn't think much was wrong with him, but yet he had trouble signing for his prescriptions later. That VA doctor of his is totally clueless IMO. That's an example of private being better than socialized.

Then, there's the issue that prescription drugs cost ridiculously more here than in Canada and other places. Doctors don't understand the words "I'm poor, I can't afford that". I've often had to push doctors on this subject because I can't afford a 100.00 anti-biotic most of the time.


So I don't think healthcare reform is as easy as some make it out to be.
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Re: Ad for Palin
« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2009, 09:54:24 AM »
I see you are still collecting your thoughts on the subject. Here is site that has helped me:

Freemarketcure

I oppose it. I know it sound contrite, but Government is the problem.
I have been living it since 2005, with mom, dad, and my two surgeries.

Mom is on Medicare/Medicaid. And has had 4 surgeries and a total time of 2 years, in care, out of the last 4 years.
Dad is in a home, that we fund totally.
And my two surgeries, were pay for by health insurance.

Trust me, health insurance was/is the best way to go.

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Re: Ad for Palin
« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2009, 12:40:44 PM »
When the govt can do better than the private sector in anything, then I'll believe it. Until then, I don't want the people who brought me the IRS, DMV, etc...deciding what bloodwork I need.
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Re: Ad for Palin
« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2009, 07:03:38 PM »
Okay, this is weird. I suddenly can't view the rest of this. I couldn't view the video either because they removed it for copyright reasons.

I don't want private healthcare destroyed. I'd like it to at least remain an option. But here's the thing about private healthcare. Unless your life is in danger, they don't really have to do anything for you. An example would be my sister. They insisted on her going to get lab work for her Diabetes three times a year just so she would get her blood pressure medicine. She couldn't afford all that lab work. There's no real assistance for lab work that I'm aware of outside of medicaid (which she would not have gotten because she's technically middle class even though she really couldn't afford Health insurance due to so many other financial burdens). She'd make payments on the bill just for them to say it's only interest, and they wouldn't take any real money off of the bill. The Emergency Room would not be able to help her with her bloodwork. They could take her in if she had a stroke due to not getting her blood pressure pills, but they wouldn't be able to do a darn thing to prevent it.

I've also spoken with people who have private health insurance. Sometimes, it won't cover pre-conditions (my case). They'll have to spend a good deal of money out of pocket if they want their prescriptions for Diabetes, Epilepsy, etc. Since I am in this situation, I'll be making an appointment with my campus doctor next week to get a prescription on my Asthma. Some say that's Socialism. First of all, it's not because I paid a fee. Next, I really don't have over a hundred dollars to spare for this doctor's appointment. So this is one area where "Socialized medicine" is better than private.

I've also spoken with people who have health insurance, but they won't cover anything serious like Cancer treatments. What good are they then? This puts them in the same boat as those who don't have health insurance at all. In some cases, it might be possible to get Medicaid to pay for some of the serious stuff, making Socialized medicine better again. (But I don't know how often they do help in situations like that to be honest. I just know they often will take up emergency stuff).

But then, you have situations like my father's. He was sick for two or three months. He naturally doesn't want to see a doctor. He used the excuse that he'll be going to VA.  Well, the VA doctor wouldn't diagnose him as being sick, TWICE. I finally talked him into going to a private doctor who admitted he was sick and wrote him a prescription. I took him once after he had his stroke. His doctor didn't think much was wrong with him, but yet he had trouble signing for his prescriptions later. That VA doctor of his is totally clueless IMO. That's an example of private being better than socialized.

Then, there's the issue that prescription drugs cost ridiculously more here than in Canada and other places. Doctors don't understand the words "I'm poor, I can't afford that". I've often had to push doctors on this subject because I can't afford a 100.00 anti-biotic most of the time.


So I don't think healthcare reform is as easy as some make it out to be.

The A1C for diabetes costs about $125.  The strips for checking blood sugar, if used regularly, cost about $75 a month.  Your sister couldn't afford $1300 a year?  Do you seriously think the taxes she'll pay for this care would be LESS?  You know, in Mass. everyone is required to have insurance.  The cheapest costs about $700 PER MONTH...and those purchasing that plan would still pay for their minor medical expenses, like the A1C and strips.  Healthcare won't ever be free.  We can either pay for it ourselves, pay enough extra to support the insurance industry...or pay 2 or 3 times more than that because the government can take as much as it wants.

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Re: Ad for Palin
« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2009, 08:39:30 PM »
The A1C for diabetes costs about $125.  The strips for checking blood sugar, if used regularly, cost about $75 a month.  Your sister couldn't afford $1300 a year?  Do you seriously think the taxes she'll pay for this care would be LESS?  You know, in Mass. everyone is required to have insurance.  The cheapest costs about $700 PER MONTH...and those purchasing that plan would still pay for their minor medical expenses, like the A1C and strips.  Healthcare won't ever be free.  We can either pay for it ourselves, pay enough extra to support the insurance industry...or pay 2 or 3 times more than that because the government can take as much as it wants.



Good points. I forgot to say she did eventually find a way to get on her company's health insurance. You have good points, but the idea of somebody not getting the help they need because they don't have money or their health insurance refuses to cover it freightens me. People talk about the government deciding what's best. What about health insurance companies deciding what's best? Heck, they're a form of Socialism too. You pay a fee and rely on them to cover major stuff if need be, only some of them won't.

But Ranger Rick's right. I still have mixed feelings about it. I keep thinking a mixture of the two would be best. I'll look at that link he gave though.
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Re: Ad for Palin
« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2009, 09:20:14 PM »
I see you are still collecting your thoughts on the subject. Here is site that has helped me:

Freemarketcure

I oppose it. I know it sound contrite, but Government is the problem.
I have been living it since 2005, with mom, dad, and my two surgeries.

Mom is on Medicare/Medicaid. And has had 4 surgeries and a total time of 2 years, in care, out of the last 4 years.
Dad is in a home, that we fund totally.
And my two surgeries, were pay for by health insurance.

Trust me, health insurance was/is the best way to go.

Okay, I'm wanting to scream at this video demonizing the uninsured. They're taking the issue of how less than half of the uninsured supposedly make $50,000 or more. First of all, we don't know what they are needing to buy. One person I knew who was a manager said he was paying so much in child support, and supposedly could not support it. Furthermore, this is less than half (like 38 percent). I find this video offensive because I did not make $50,000 in the past. When I worked at Radio Shack, I was lucky if I could scrap up 750.00 - 800.00 a month. Once I paid the bills, I had no money for health insurance. I didn't spend all my money on alcohol. I know several who are the same.

The Canadian story of the guy with a tumor makes a good point. I have heard if it's an emergency, they'll take you in, but otherwise one has to wait. In some cases, this has been abused. I think good points are made there.
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Re: Ad for Palin
« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2009, 09:24:16 PM »
Good points. I forgot to say she did eventually find a way to get on her company's health insurance. You have good points, but the idea of somebody not getting the help they need because they don't have money or their health insurance refuses to cover it freightens me. People talk about the government deciding what's best. What about health insurance companies deciding what's best? Heck, they're a form of Socialism too. You pay a fee and rely on them to cover major stuff if need be, only some of them won't.

But Ranger Rick's right. I still have mixed feelings about it. I keep thinking a mixture of the two would be best. I'll look at that link he gave though.
The thing you should be frightened about is people so willingly give up their own God-given power to insurance companies and governments.  And even that shouldn't frighten you as long as you aren't one of them.

No Government program can fix the public's abjuration of their own personal responsibility, at best the Government can only make things bad enough so that people start reclaiming their own personal power again.
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Re: Ad for Palin
« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2009, 09:33:03 PM »
Okay, I'm wanting to scream at this video demonizing the uninsured. They're taking the issue of how less than half of the uninsured supposedly make $50,000 or more. First of all, we don't know what they are needing to buy. One person I knew who was a manager said he was paying so much in child support, and supposedly could not support it. Furthermore, this is less than half (like 38 percent). I find this video offensive because I did not make $50,000 in the past. When I worked at Radio Shack, I was lucky if I could scrap up 750.00 - 800.00 a month. Once I paid the bills, I had no money for health insurance. I didn't spend all my money on alcohol. I know several who are the same.

The Canadian story of the guy with a tumor makes a good point. I have heard if it's an emergency, they'll take you in, but otherwise one has to wait. In some cases, this has been abused. I think good points are made there.

Okay, I watched one more video about how they wouldn't meet with a woman who desperately needed surgery for her bladder, but they met with a man wanting to get surgery to become a woman. Perhaps some of the problem is that they don't have their priorities straight. Sex changes should never be paid for by the government.
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Re: Ad for Palin
« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2009, 09:35:26 PM »
The thing you should be frightened about is people so willingly give up their own God-given power to insurance companies and governments.  And even that shouldn't frighten you as long as you aren't one of them.

No Government program can fix the public's abjuration of their own personal responsibility, at best the Government can only make things bad enough so that people start reclaiming their own personal power again.

The reason people are turning to insurance companies is because healthcare costs too much. My doctor is over a hundred dollars to see without insurance. Many doctors are the same. Prescriptions here are ridiculously higher than in other countries. Canadians are coming down here to see our doctors, but we're often looking to them to get our prescriptions. It shouldn't be this bad.
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Re: Ad for Palin
« Reply #10 on: May 14, 2009, 10:31:25 PM »
The reason people are turning to insurance companies is because healthcare costs too much. My doctor is over a hundred dollars to see without insurance. Many doctors are the same. Prescriptions here are ridiculously higher than in other countries. Canadians are coming down here to see our doctors, but we're often looking to them to get our prescriptions. It shouldn't be this bad.
This is because people are turning to insurance and in fact, seem to have very little choice in shopping for doctors and prescriptions.  Under single payer it will be worse.

In other words, the reason health care costs have skyrocketed is because the free market has been removed from the equation.  The government has created a water empire and if you rely on their water, they can determine your life.

The reason it is causing you anxiety is because you are looking at it as if it were the only game in town so it is the only choice you think you have.

People who have everything cannot be helpless.  It is impossible.  If they believe they are helpless they are only because they believe they are.

Trying to improve health care by turning more of it over to the people who have screwed it up is a prime example of messing with effects instead of dealing with the cause.  Everything you need, you already have.  You only do not realize it because you are looking outside yourself.  As long as you believe you are helpless, you will continue to live in fear and no matter how much money is thrown at the health care system, it will continue to decline while your fear will grow.  If you want to fix health care, first you will need to give up being afraid for both yourself and for others.  Nobody can accomplish anything when they are afraid except perhaps to increase fear, which is the same as doing nothing.

If you knew you were invulnerable, would you still be afraid?  It is only because you do not know yourself that you are afraid and somehow, to the fearful, slavery seems like a refuge.  It is not.

In the old days, I would be afraid that your willingness to choose slavery for yourself would mean that you would choose slavery for me also.  But now I see it is a simple matter and that your fear cannot enslave me, only my fear can do that, and when I remember who I am, I cannot be afraid.  Like any addiction, eventually fear becomes all about the fear and it is only when one gets to the point where they can see the addiction does not even feed itself that it can be put aside.

Do not be afraid that just because I do not wish to be under the single payer health care plan that means that you will die from lack of health care.  That is only the addiction speaking.  No one has any power over you, even if you think you gave it to them.  It is like building a house of cards and pretending it is real and fearing it will collapse.  Of course it will collapse but there is no need for fear because it is not a real house.
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