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MM: Willfully ignorant, or just plain ignorant?
« on: May 02, 2021, 09:58:20 AM »
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The Entire Transgender Athlete Controversy is Bullshit from the Right

Republicans, in general, and uber-religious Republicans in particular, are desperately trying to make this into a real, pressing issue. It's not a real, pressing issue, though. Not really.

There are a few transgender kids in every school. A very few. There are even fewer transgender athletes, because most kids in school are not athletes in the first place.

Do transgender women have an advantage over cisgender women? Probably no more of an advantage than very athletic people have over those with less skill, strength, hard work and talent have. The vanishingly few transgender athletes are in competition with other athletes. They will win or lose, based on their hard work, talent, and skills, not their gender identification.

The argument that is being used is a just a subterfuge from the right. They aren't actually concerned with it at all. They are concerned with their invalid perception of sinfulness. They can't successfully argue that, so they use subterfuge.

They say, "Transgender women are stronger, faster, and more athletic, so they shouldn't be allowed to compete in women's athletic events." That's what they say. What they mean is "I don't like the whole idea of transgender people at all. They shouldn't be allowed to do anything, because God or something."

Then, there is the fear ploy. They say, "We can't let people with penises share facilities with cisgender females. They are a threat to our precious girls." More subterfuge and bullshit. They have no examples of transgender women assaulting cisgender women in those facilities, so they resort to lying to attempt to create fear.

It's all bullshit from the religious right, which is neither religious nor right. The reality is that it's not actually a real issue in the first place. It never was. It's yet another made-up issue designed to attack people the religious right doesn't like.
For the "vanishingly few" biological females who lose scholarships, medals, records, etc. to bio males who wear dresses and claim they are girls, this is a real, pressing issue, and I don't know how anyone can see it any differently.

I'll type slowly, so Mineral Man can hopefully comprehend, if he chances to look at this. Biological males are built to be bigger, stronger, faster than bio females. And probably moreso in athletic bio males. Bio males, who are probably average athletes when competing with other bio males, are winning competitions against girls. They have an unfair advantage. They are STEALING their scholarships, medals, and records. I won't bother to include links, because they are readily available to anyone whose head isn't firmly up his butt.

Furthermore, while I would agree that sexual assault by bio males in women's locker rooms is probably not an issue, the biggest objection I have is that I don't want my granddaughter (or any other girl) to become inured to taking her clothes off in the presence of biological males, regardless of how they "identify." When that boundary is crossed, there is no going back.

Please Mineral Man, stick to writing about stuff you know about. Like collecting junk, or whatever.

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Re: MM: Willfully ignorant, or just plain ignorant?
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2021, 10:06:33 AM »
"They don't actually care" is the mantra of people with no argument.

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Re: MM: Willfully ignorant, or just plain ignorant?
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2021, 10:23:27 AM »
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Do transgender women have an advantage over cisgender women? Probably no more of an advantage than very athletic people have over those with less skill, strength, hard work and talent have.

I think he just called female athletes lazy and untalented.

But, if it were about equality we ought to see a proportional number of female-to-male transgendered athletes looking to join male sports.

We don't.

Because they know they don't stand a chance.

Or maybe they're just lazy and untalented.
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Re: MM: Willfully ignorant, or just plain ignorant?
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2021, 10:30:38 AM »
My best answer to the thread title question: Yes
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Re: MM: Willfully ignorant, or just plain ignorant?
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2021, 10:42:23 AM »
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19. Not so.

Trans children - at least those whose states haven't decided that medical care is child abuse - usually receive hormone therapy when they reach puberty. A trans girl would be given medication to suppress the production of testosterone, in order to prevent her from developing typical male characteristics. She might end up being a little taller but she will not develop the male musculature that would make her able to compete unfairly with cis girls. The entire controversy, which shouldn't be a controversy at all, is being ginned up by the right wing because they need another scapegoat. It's not about sports (when did the GQP ever care about women's sports at all?), it's ostensibly about bathrooms, and it's really about choosing a small, powerless group of people they consider to be odd and that they can easily portray as a threat.
Un, no. All they have to do is **SAY** they identify as girls, and the left falls all over themselves, treating them as if they were. Including standing up for their "right" to compete against bio females on h.s. sports team. If Ocelot's claim were actually true, it wouldn't be such a big deal. But, she's wrong.

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Re: MM: Willfully ignorant, or just plain ignorant?
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2021, 11:13:24 AM »
Once you remove God from the equation, then all sorts of immaturity and foolishness will come to fruition.

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Re: MM: Willfully ignorant, or just plain ignorant?
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2021, 11:36:23 AM »
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Re: MM: Willfully ignorant, or just plain ignorant?
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2021, 11:36:57 AM »
If this is actually the case then, what’s the bruhaha about separate bathrooms?

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Re: MM: Willfully ignorant, or just plain ignorant?
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2021, 12:23:45 PM »
What is NOW's stance on this.......or lack thereof..and why?
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Re: MM: Willfully ignorant, or just plain ignorant?
« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2021, 12:29:13 PM »
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Response to panader0 (Reply #29)Sun May 2, 2021, 12:46 PM
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32. There really isn't any evidence.

That tells me that it is not really an issue. It's all politics and religion. It's all bullshit.

As far as I know, I don't know any transgender people, personally. But, then, I might not know that someone I meet is transgender, in the first place. It's not something I wonder about, frankly.

Try telling that to some genuine girl who got beat out for a college sports scholarship by one of these lumberjack looking trans girls.  Try telling her parents that there are so very few trans girls that it hardly makes a difference. 

There aren't a whole hell of a lot of unarmed black men getting killed by white cops--very, very, very few.  Why make a stink about that?
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Re: MM: Willfully ignorant, or just plain ignorant?
« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2021, 12:43:32 PM »
There aren't a whole hell of a lot of unarmed black men getting killed by white cops--very, very, very few.  Why make a stink about that?
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3. I said this on another thread: this is a problem that affects like 0.00000001% of the population.

Yet somehow affects 99.999999% of Fox News viewers.
Any idea about the incidence of unarmed Black men killed by white cops? Probably an equally insignificant number. Yet, it affects 100% of DUpipo.

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Re: MM: Willfully ignorant, or just plain ignorant?
« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2021, 01:29:09 PM »
Furthermore, while I would agree that sexual assault by bio males in women's locker rooms is probably not an issue.....

Whoa, madam.  What makes you think it isn't?
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Re: MM: Willfully ignorant, or just plain ignorant?
« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2021, 01:39:04 PM »
Whoa, madam.  What makes you think it isn't?
Well, to tell the truth, I don't know that it isn't.

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Re: MM: Willfully ignorant, or just plain ignorant?
« Reply #13 on: May 02, 2021, 02:09:13 PM »
Being it's a DUmbass I'm going with dumber than a box of rocks ignorant.
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Re: MM: Willfully ignorant, or just plain ignorant?
« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2021, 03:13:34 PM »
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75. I know a number of trans children,

Who have blossomed since their parents listened to them about their gender, including some as young as 7 who were suicidal prior to that time.

One identified himself at 3 (in a supportive family), and now, at 14 has been on testosterone for a couple of years. As to that child, before identifying as male he was constantly refers to using male pronouns, and once he started identifying as male, even some fundamentalist Christians expressed relief that they didn't constantly have to remind themselves to use female pronouns, since the masculine pronouns were so much more natural for him.

My high school sweetheart knew around age 7. She came out in her late 50s, after believing for decades she had to hide who she was. The past decade and a half have made such a dramatic change in her life - it is tragic that she was told early on that she could not be herself - and had to hate herself and dread that she would lose everything (her career, her wife, her family of origin, her friends), if anyone found out the truth. Fortunately, her hands (a tell for many trans women) have always been small, and she was able to afford facial feminization surgery - so virtually no one misgenders her - but many women who go through puberty flooded with testosterone are never recognized on sight as women.

I know zero trans children who have reclaimed the gender they were assigned at birth, and the only adult trans individuals I know who have done so were women, whose physical appearance made it impossible for then to avoid the abuse our society heaps on gender non-confirming women. For them, it was easier to return to pretending to be male, than to fight being accosted when they entered the bathroom, or to put up with the daily points and stares.
That is an issue that can only be addressed by allowing trans children to go through puberty, with hormones that match their gender identity.
Any parent who allows a 7-year old, or a 3-year old to "identify" him/herself as trans should never have been a parent in the first place. The kid has serious issues, the parents among them. And if, contrary to the established facts of transgenderism, Toad doesn't know ANY kids who have decided they aren't trans after all, then she is in a serious bubble.

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Re: MM: Willfully ignorant, or just plain ignorant?
« Reply #15 on: May 02, 2021, 03:56:17 PM »
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75. I know a number of trans children,

Who have blossomed...

Okay, groomer.
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20. absolute bullshit. the cave is unspeakably vile.

I don't know how any of you can live with yourselves.

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