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The next time you see Alan Grayson, spit on him
« on: September 25, 2010, 08:28:42 PM »
Patriotism Falsely Impugned
Democratic Rep. Grayson wrongly says that his opponent 'refused' Vietnam service; claims he 'doesn't love this country.'

September 22, 2010
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Summary

Democratic Rep. Alan Grayson of Florida is falsely accusing his opponent of evading the Vietnam War draft, claiming "he doesn’t love this country."

Republican candidate Daniel Webster didn’t "refuse the call to service," as claimed in a vicious TV ad featuring pictures of military graves and the sound of "Taps" being played on a bugle. In fact, the former Florida Senate majority leader was given routine student deferments until he completed his undergraduate degree. He then reported for a military physical and was disqualified for medical reasons.
Analysis

Rep. Grayson’s ad — entitled "Draft Dodger" — appeared in his Florida district on Fox News last week. It is one of the nastiest we have seen so far this year, and it’s false.

 

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Alan Grayson TV ad: "Draft Dodger"

Grayson: I’m Congressman Alan Grayson and I approve this message.

Announcer: [Sound of "Taps" in background] Daniel Webster was called to serve our country six times during the Vietnam War. Each time Daniel Webster refused the call to service. It breaks an old soldier’s heart to think that Webster could ever be elected to Congress. He doesn’t love this country the way I do. Daniel Webster doesn’t care about us.

The ad opens with a shot of Daniel Webster’s face imposed over a military graveyard. As the picture changes to a photograph of a soldier next to another graveyard shot, and a mournful rendition of "Taps" plays softly in the background, the announcer — who according to the Grayson campaign is a veteran who served in the military for four years — says Webster "was called to serve our country six times during the Vietnam War" and "refused" each time. The announcer goes on to say: "It breaks an old soldier’s heart" to think that Webster could be elected, because "he doesn’t love this country the way I do."

But the ad’s charge is disproved by the very documents that the Grayson campaign provides to support their claim. A Grayson spokesman provided copies of Selective Service documents that were obtained under a public records request in June. They show that far from refusing to serve his country, Webster reported for a military examination as soon as he graduated from college, only to be disqualified on medical grounds.

The Grayson campaign provided the same documents to Mark Schlueb of the Orlando Sentinel, who reported that "Webster received college deferments, which were common during the Vietnam War, then reported for service and was disqualified for medical reasons."

Draft Dodging?

Records show that Webster was deferred from military service five times due to academic study from 1967 to 1970 (once in high school and four times while he was in college at the Georgia Institute of Technology). Once he completed his undergraduate degree, he was given the classification 1-A  (which means he was available for military service) and was asked to report for a physical examination. The documentation shows that on the date of his physical, July 26, 1971, Webster was rejected and given the classification of 1-Y, which means that he was "qualified for service only in time of war or national emergency."

But according to the documents, the 1-Y classification was abolished just months later, on December 10, 1971. Local boards were ordered to reclassify all 1-Y registrants. Webster was reclassified on May 16, 1972, as 4-F, or "not qualified for military service."

So Webster was given deferments from the military in order to complete high school and college — common during the Vietnam War — then upon graduation reported for service and was ultimately disqualified because he failed the physical examination.

Records don’t indicate what medical problems led to Webster’s rejection from service, but Webster said it was due to problems with his feet. According to Schlueb’s September 17 article, Webster said: "I remember them pulling me out of line because I’d had problems with my feet when I was a kid. They used these corrective shoes on me with steel plates in them, but it really never fixed them — they’re weird-looking. I can’t really stand a long time on my feet."

A Pollster Explains

We contacted the Grayson campaign for an explanation. Curiously, we were referred to one of the campaign’s paid pollsters, Jim Kitchens, owner of The Kitchen Group. The campaign reported paying $18,000 to Kitchens last April for "polling." (See page 247.)

Kitchens argued that Webster made a personal choice not to go into the military, and that had he intended to serve after graduation, he would have signed up for officer training and undergone a physical examination during his junior year in college. It’s true that some undergraduates did that. But we can’t accept Kitchens’ spurious reasoning.

The ad states clearly that Webster "refused the call to service," which is simply false. Webster may have made a choice not to volunteer for officer training, and not to volunteer for military service before completing his undergraduate degree. But that’s not the same as refusing to serve when called. And the fact is that Webster reported when the draft board declared him to be available for military service.

An ‘Old Soldier’

The ad attacks Webster’s patriotism directly with a particularly nasty insinuation. The announcer says, "It breaks an old soldier’s heart to think that Daniel Webster could ever be elected to Congress. He doesn’t love this country the way I do. Daniel Webster doesn’t care about us."

The announcer is never identified, so the viewer has no way of knowing if he is really an "old soldier" or not. We asked a Grayson spokesman about that. The spokesman told us that the announcer is a four-year military veteran, but would not release the announcer’s identity.

Grayson himself never served in Vietnam — born in 1958, he was only 17 when the war ended in 1975.  According to his official biography, he didn’t serve in the military at all. He worked as an economist, then a lawyer. But — following the reasoning of Grayson’s own pollster — he could have volunteered for military service had he wished to serve.

Grayson’s ad concludes with a message on screen saying, "If Daniel Webster didn’t serve America then, why should he serve now?" Viewers might ask the same question of Grayson. (He now says had the Vietnam War still been going on, he would have dropped out of college and volunteered.)

– by Lara Seligman

http://factcheck.org/2010/09/patriotism-falsely-impugned/
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Re: The next time you see Alan Grayson, spit on him
« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2010, 08:32:40 PM »
More than any other race, that's the one I'm watching closest. I hope that asshat is unceremoniously thrown in the street come November 3rd. He's made more of a mockery of Congress than any other clown, including Al ****up.
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Re: The next time you see Alan Grayson, spit on him
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2010, 08:37:10 PM »
Yeah, that dude is a douche bag.  :censored: I hope he loses his seat.

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Re: The next time you see Alan Grayson, spit on him
« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2010, 01:19:15 AM »
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Re: The next time you see Alan Grayson, spit on him
« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2010, 12:31:03 PM »
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2010/house/fl/florida_8th_district_webster_vs_grayson-1254.html

RCP average has it as "Leans Republican".  Let's hope so.
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Re: The next time you see Alan Grayson, spit on him
« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2010, 12:53:54 PM »
It always amazes me the left hated the Vietnam War, yet they give  grief to anyone who didn't serve. I do not think they even served, they more than likely ran off to Canada etc.  Grayson is a fool.  :bird:


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Re: The next time you see Alan Grayson, spit on him
« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2010, 07:09:05 PM »
It always amazes me the left hated the Vietnam War, yet they give  grief to anyone who didn't serve. I do not think they even served, they more than likely ran off to Canada etc.  Grayson is a fool.  :bird:

Alan Grayson is a crybaby like Al Gore and Bill Maher. (Need Crybaby Smiley) Ironic, isn't it? It was President Lyndon B. Johnson, a Democrat, that got us into the Vietnam War. He also gave us the Great Society, which is an EPIC failure.
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Re: The next time you see Alan Grayson, spit on him
« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2010, 05:15:21 PM »
I wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire.  Unless I could piss kerosene, of course...

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Re: The next time you see Alan Grayson, spit on him
« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2010, 05:56:21 PM »
Let's hope the fugger Grayson is out on the street panhandling for change or turning tricks on Nov 3rd 2010
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Re: The next time you see Alan Grayson, spit on him
« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2010, 07:50:46 PM »
Did I say "spit on"?

I meant: punch in kidneys repeatedly until he pees blood:

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Re: The next time you see Alan Grayson, spit on him
« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2010, 08:21:13 AM »
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Dem Says Opponent Is 'Taliban Dan'; Ad Rated False

An endangered Florida congressman is calling his Republican opponent "Taliban Dan'' in an effort to paint him as a religious extremist.

But the ad manipulates video to make that opponent appear to say the opposite of what he meant, an independent fact-checking organization says.


Democratic Rep. Alan Grayson, an Orlando-area lawmaker who has employed flamboyant rhetoric against the GOP since winning office in 2008, is running an ad on broadcast and cable stations in central Florida that highlights state Sen. Dan Webster's views on social issues. The ad says Webster would force women to carry to term a fetus resulting from rape and would bar abused women from seeking abortions, medical treatment or divorce.

"Daniel Webster wants to impose his radical fundamentalism on us,'' the announcer says. "Taliban Dan Webster — hands off our bodies and our laws.''
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It doesn't look like like Grayson's mudslinging is working too well.

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Re: The next time you see Alan Grayson, spit on him
« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2010, 10:51:01 AM »
Looks like Grayson is taking a page out of the old Mikey Moore playbook:
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In a new ad, Grayson accuses his Republican opponent Daniel Webster of being a religious fanatic and dubs him "Taliban Dan." But to make his case, Grayson manipulates a video clip to make it appear Webster was commanding wives to submit to their husbands, quoting a passage in the Bible. Four times, the ad shows Webster saying wives should submit to their husbands. In fact, Webster was cautioning husbands to avoid taking that passage as their own. The unedited quote is: "Don’t pick the ones [Bible verses] that say, ‘She should submit to me.’"

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Re: The next time you see Alan Grayson, spit on him
« Reply #12 on: September 28, 2010, 03:20:09 PM »
More than any other race, that's the one I'm watching closest. I hope that asshat is unceremoniously thrown in the street Gulf of Mexico come November 3rd. He's made more of a mockery of Congress than any other clown, including Al ****up.

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Re: The next time you see Alan Grayson, spit on him
« Reply #13 on: September 28, 2010, 09:28:27 PM »
I got a dollar that says if Grayson loses he becomes a regular contributor to Ed Schultz's show.

you watch that show, too?  He is always good for laughs.  I am sure ed's head will explode on one of his shows, and I don't want to miss it. 


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Re: The next time you see Alan Grayson, spit on him
« Reply #14 on: September 29, 2010, 10:13:37 AM »
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Justice: Webster up 7 over GraysonShare40posted at 8:48 am on September 29, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

Actually, justice would be too strong of a word.  Justice, in this case, would be Alan Grayson falling 27 points behind Dan Webster after the smears that the Democrat from Florida has conducted in his desperate bid to cling to power.  But take heart; the latest Sunshine State Poll was conducted mainly before the smear in the “Taliban Dan” ad was exposed and widely condemned, which means Grayson may still be hurtling downward:

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In one of the most closely watched U.S. House races in the nation, Republican Daniel Webster now holds a 7-point lead over Democratic Rep. Alan Grayson in Central Florida’s 8th Congressional District, according to a new Sunshine State News Poll.

Webster, a former state senator, leads the freshman congressman 43-36 in the survey of 559 likely voters conducted Sept. 25-27. TEA (“Taxed Enough Already”) Party candidate Peg Dunmire drew 6 percent and NPA hopeful George Metcalfe garnered 3 percent, while 9 percent remained undecided (2 percent cited “other” and 1 percent refused to state).
Digging deeper, the numbers look even worse for Grayson as 51 percent of respondents said they had an unfavorable view of the Orlando-area congressman.

Grayson insisted that he ran the ad to defend women, but “women really loathe him,” pollster James Lee reports.  Among female voters, Grayson has a 33/53 favorability rating, and Webster beats him by twelve points, 45/33.  That gap probably explains why Grayson wanted to attack on abortion rights, which is certainly a legitimate area of debate, but his despicable “Taliban Dan” attack not only made Grayson look even more sleazy and dishonest, it took all the oxygen out of the argument he wanted to make, as Contessa Brewer pointed out on MSNBC yesterday.

Grayson may be even worse off after the dust settles.  Until now, Grayson has won a plurality of independents in FL-08, an absolute necessity in an R+2 district.  In this poll Grayson has a 42/33 lead over Webster with unaffiliated voters, but that’s not likely to continue after the controversy over his ads crests.  Democrats will stick with Grayson — they have little choice — but independents can either back Webster or one of the other candidates in the race, and they probably will start moving towards one of the other three shortly.

http://hotair.com/archives/2010/09/29/justice-webster-up-7-over-grayson/

I'm looking forward to the polls a week from now.

The only thing that will be more delicious than Grayson's defeat will be the wailing from DU as this seeping sack of shit is one of their favorites.
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Re: The next time you see Alan Grayson, spit on him
« Reply #15 on: September 29, 2010, 04:35:07 PM »
Webster, a former state senator, leads the freshman congressman 43-36 in the survey of 559 likely voters conducted Sept. 25-27. TEA (“Taxed Enough Already”) Party candidate Peg Dunmire drew 6 percent and NPA hopeful George Metcalfe garnered 3 percent, while 9 percent remained undecided (2 percent cited “other” and 1 percent refused to state).
Digging deeper, the numbers look even worse for Grayson as 51 percent of respondents said they had an unfavorable view of the Orlando-area congressman.

Grayson insisted that he ran the ad to defend women, but “women really loathe him,” pollster James Lee reports.  Among female voters, Grayson has a 33/53 favorability rating, and Webster beats him by twelve points, 45/33.  That gap probably explains why Grayson wanted to attack on abortion rights, which is certainly a legitimate area of debate, but his despicable “Taliban Dan” attack not only made Grayson look even more sleazy and dishonest, it took all the oxygen out of the argument he wanted to make, as Contessa Brewer pointed out on MSNBC yesterday.

Grayson may be even worse off after the dust settles.  Until now, Grayson has won a plurality of independents in FL-08, an absolute necessity in an R+2 district.  In this poll Grayson has a 42/33 lead over Webster with unaffiliated voters, but that’s not likely to continue after the controversy over his ads crests.  Democrats will stick with Grayson — they have little choice — but independents can either back Webster or one of the other candidates in the race, and they probably will start moving towards one of the other three shortly.

http://hotair.com/archives/2010/09/29/justice-webster-up-7-over-grayson/

I'm looking forward to the polls a week from now.

The only thing that will be more delicious than Grayson's defeat will be the wailing from DU as this seeping sack of shit is one of their favorites.

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Re: The next time you see Alan Grayson, spit on him
« Reply #16 on: September 29, 2010, 07:20:44 PM »
grayson was sort of a fluke to begin with;  FL 8-CD had been a republican seat for about 25 years.  he rode into office on the big obamagastic hopey changey coattails.  it just goes to show what sort of cretin can ooze into office when enough beta-males, militant lesbians, clueless 20 year olds, convicts, asylum residents, perverts, pinheads, and deviants show up at the polls.

I think I am going to watch PMSNBC on election night.  I want to hear olbermann say it;  "republicans take the house and senate".  I want to SEE the look on that SOB's face. :evillaugh:

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Re: The next time you see Alan Grayson, spit on him
« Reply #17 on: October 08, 2010, 06:07:45 PM »
New anti-Grayson ad:
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Re: The next time you see Alan Grayson, spit on him
« Reply #18 on: October 09, 2010, 11:52:05 AM »
Check the bitchy little nose wrinkle at the end:

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Re: The next time you see Alan Grayson, spit on him
« Reply #19 on: October 09, 2010, 03:42:09 PM »
I thought it was a rather bloody exchange, with both sides getting in a couple of pretty good punches.

I'm no fan of either of these two - Anderson Cooper, the metrosexual pinhead; and Alan Grayson, the "blood dripping from his [Cheney's] teeth" slimeball, pus-filled career politician wannabe.

The fact of the matter is, attack ads work. Otherwise they wouldn't be used. Some are better at attacking at others and while Grayson certainly didn't stand up and say he served, the ad that Cooper referenced doesn't say that either.

Politics is despicable. You have to be a fairly despicable person to build a career on it. Grayson fills that bill nicely.
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Re: The next time you see Alan Grayson, spit on him
« Reply #20 on: October 09, 2010, 07:44:18 PM »
I'm no fan of either of these two - Anderson Cooper, the metrosexual pinhead; and Alan Grayson, the "blood dripping from his [Cheney's] teeth" slimeball, pus-filled career politician wannabe.
Politics is despicable. You have to be a fairly despicable person to build a career on it. Grayson fills that bill nicely.
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Re: The next time you see Alan Grayson, spit on him
« Reply #21 on: October 10, 2010, 11:48:10 AM »
The infamous mycongressmanisnuts lawyer loon? He's done.

There's no way Grayson will ever be re-elected - as  entertaining as he is to many, he's a national embarrassment for the people that live in that Florida district. As for DUmp, he's one of them. I think he'll probably get a consultant job with PMSNBC and post there in his spare time.

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Re: The next time you see Alan Grayson, spit on him
« Reply #22 on: October 15, 2010, 11:13:58 PM »
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Grayson Upset Over "Negative" GOP Attacks

"They destroy us with these negative ads. These blistering, evil negative ads. In front of my -- in front of my children on my TV set, they called me a liar, they've called me a loud-mouth, they said I'm a national embarrassment. And this is their idea of constructive dialogue," Grayson complained.

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Re: The next time you see Alan Grayson, spit on him
« Reply #23 on: October 15, 2010, 11:17:12 PM »
he is literally batshit crazy.  BEG pointed out somewhere around here that he was under a psychiatrist's care (admittedly) quite a few years ago.  but, ya know, crazy doesn't wear off.