The 1/6 investigation is moot without a bridge...

[dutch508]

WarGamer (2,196 posts)


The 1/6 investigation is moot without a bridge...

Is it a fact that Trump was lying about election outcome? Yes.

Is it a fact that a rally brought 10's of thousands of supporters to DC? yes.

Is it a fact that Trump told them to go to the Capitol and "make their voices heard"? Yes.


But those things don't equal "planning the Capitol attack" unless...

It can be shown that there was a conspiracy supporting a few hundred people to storm through police lines and then enter the Capitol building after assaulting officers.

We need Trump's phone logs, those of his Staff.

We need email and phone content from several in Congress to see if there was indeed actual communications and cooperation with the insurrectionists.

We need a bridge.

One one side of the river we have things that TrumpCo did and while deplorable, aren't illegal. And the other side of the river are chargeable offenses re: the Capitol Assault.

1/6 Hearings thus far as the Gold Standard for DC hearings and I hope they get to the bottom of it all and deliver that bridge.

We need a bridge, if it exists.

To continue:

Focus on the first groups of people who crossed barriers and started the physical confrontations with officers. Herd mentality, many of those who follow are just wiling dopes.

I want to look inside and out at the PB, OK and others at the first line of the attack.

 

You need proof that a crime took place. Good luck with that.

Star Member alwaysinasnit (3,856 posts)

1. Follow the money???

GregariousGroundhog (6,900 posts)

2. I disagree; we don't need a bridge

We need the January 6 Select Committee to investigate whether a bridge exists between domestic terror groups and Trump, McCarthy, Jordan, etc. We then need them to truthfully report back its results and let the Justice Department go from there.

WarGamer (2,196 posts)

8. And re: Domestic Terror designation

from factcheck.org

No Domestic Terrorist Designation

“There’s no legal process or meaning” for what the president (Trump) said, Patel told us. “He’s reflecting on the process that we use for foreign terrorist organizations.”

The secretary of state has the legal authority to designate groups as foreign terrorist organizations under federal law. The federal government makes those FTO designations through a six-step process involving the State Department and other agencies. The designations enable the federal government to freeze assets, prosecute individuals for aiding those groups and restrict immigration for members of those groups, as the Government Accountability Office explains.

“[W]e have federal criminal statutes regarding ‘Acts of terrorism transcending national boundaries’, but no equivalent for domestic terrorism,” Forest told us. “As an example, Timothy McVeigh was prosecuted in federal court for the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing under a federal law addressing ‘weapons of mass destruction’ because the ideology that motivated his attack was not connected to any foreign entity.”

If there were a domestic terrorist designation, Patel said, it would “undoubtedly face a First Amendment challenge, which is likely to succeed.”

The nonpartisan Congressional Research Service also explained in a 2017 report that the “federal government lacks a process for publicly designating domestic terrorist organizations. In other words, there is no official open-source roster of domestic groups that the FBI or other federal agencies target as terrorist organizations.”

It, too, cited concerns about infringing on First Amendment freedoms if a domestic terrorist designation were possible. “Such a list might discourage speech and expression related to the ideologies underpinning the activities of named groups,” the CRS report said.

Star Member leftieNanner (10,344 posts)

5. From what we learned from Michael Cohen

TFG is really good at hiding his "bridges". He speaks in code and never says directly what the dirty deeds he wants accomplished are. Let's hope the bridges are provided by the folks on the other end of the line.

 

Zeitghost (214 posts)

10. They don't exist

The smoking guns don't exist. Trump didn't send marching orders by email or phone threepers and neither did anyone else. That's not how things like this work. The commission is intended to drag this through until well into the 2022 election cycle so we can keep it in the media and help send more MAGATS packing in the next election. Anyone waiting for criminal charges to come out of this is kidding themselves.

 

Star Member onecaliberal (20,722 posts)

12. Who held the recon tours? When?

WarGamer (2,196 posts)

13. Absolutely.

Were the tours illegal?

Did anyone tell them where to enter and where to go?

Did they go through the normal channels to request a tour?

How many tours occur on a normal day?

Did they do background checks on the tours?

 

Star Member abqtommy (10,771 posts)

15. Rest assured that domestic and foreign intelligence services know all and will gladly divulge

it if they are subpoenaed.

 

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Zeitghost (214 posts)

10. They don't exist

The smoking guns don't exist. Trump didn't send marching orders by email or phone threepers and neither did anyone else. That's not how things like this work. The commission is intended to drag this through until well into the 2022 election cycle so we can keep it in the media and help send more MAGATS packing in the next election. Anyone waiting for criminal charges to come out of this is kidding themselves.

Good. I'm glad we can move past the Trump conspiracy nonsense. As for dragging it out to hurt republicans' election prospects, you're liable to find that voters have more pressing things than this committee.

Star Member leftieNanner (10,344 posts)

5. From what we learned from Michael Cohen

TFG is really good at hiding his "bridges". He speaks in code and never says directly what the dirty deeds he wants accomplished are. Let's hope the bridges are provided by the folks on the other end of the line.

My Trump sense is tingling. 

[SVPete]

MIRT Alert! MIRT Alert! MIRT Alert! 

[DLR Pyro]

All you DUmmies have is a bridge to nowhere...

Star Member onecaliberal (20,722 posts)

12. Who held the recon tours? When?

Before he left the senate, dingy Harry Reid arranged for a capitol tour for my brother in law and his family who are from Las Vegas.   Should I turn their names in to the January 6 circus to be investigated as potential insurrectionists?

[USA4ME]

These dimwits wouldn’t know where to begin to even form a cofferdam, much less build a bridge.

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[DUmpsterDiver]

Fact:  Burn, Loot, Murder and antifa plus democrat scum staged the whole peaceful protest and got the filthy lying media to play along.  shiff for brains and his mistress pisslosi are the guilty ones.   I actually feel bad for slow Joe having to be led by these commie scum.

[SVPete]

Didn't see this in the OP, so https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215673040 . Just 20 Replies, all 16 or 17 hours ago. Maybe the two who admitted - DU-style, of course - that the evidence doesn't exist (Zheitghost and leftieNanner) kind of killed the thread.

[old dog 2]

Fact:  Burn, Loot, Murder and antifa plus democrat scum staged the whole peaceful protest and got the filthy lying media to play along.  shiff for brains and his mistress pisslosi are the guilty ones.   I actually feel bad for slow Joe having to be led by these commie scum.

What Jill and the rest of them have done to Joe is actually elder abuse.

[Ferrance]

1/6 Hearings thus far as the Gold Standard for DC hearings and I hope they get to the bottom of it all and deliver that bridge.

That hot garbage, really??? Here's a tip DUmmy: a gold-plated turd sandwich is still a turd sandwich.