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Title: We must prevail, we can never allow ourselves to give up
Post by: 5412 on September 15, 2009, 11:42:07 PM
Hi folks,

I am going to ask you all to tolerate a story from a very old marine.  It was the hot summer of 1958, I had been in boot camp in Parris Island, SC for 8 weeks or so, with many weeks left to go.  Little did I know that I was about to learn one of the most valuable lessons I would ever learn about life.

On Sunday afternoon each recruit platoon would have competition with all the other platoons on the island in what we called field day, which was a modified track meet, with things like wheel barrow races, running events, tug of war, distance events etc.  It was taken very seriously.

One of the biggest events was a tug of war.  Each side would take their biggest, strongest 15 marines and put them on one side of the rope.  In the center was a hankerchief and there was a huge mud bog.  You would pick up the rope, move it to the point the hankerchief was over the middle of the bog, the signal was given and the tug-o-war would begin.  It was the last event of the day and the winners would move up to the next level until the final winning platoon would prevail...so the last two might have found themselves tugging in 5 or more events, and it was not unusual for each event to take 15-20 minutes so a whole lot of energy was expended.

Well our head DI had duty that weekend and we had never, ever won even one tug of war event.  As usual we lost in the first round.  Our DI was furious, made us run back to the barracks, in 90+ degree heat.  We got inside and he had us close all the windows, no AC mind you, then we participated in one of his favorite drills called over and under.  What I want you to picture is 75 young men leaping over the top of one bunk, then sliding under the next bunk, up over the next bunk...you get the picture.  Guys landing on top of people, sweat pouring off our bodies, and we probably did that for at least 30 minutes straight with him in our face screaming at us all the time....we were exhausted.  He then had us stand at attention in front of our bunks and the lecture began.

His message was simple and clear.  The reason we never won a single tug of war was we were a bunch of losers....and he proceeded to tell us why we lost.  He said it was simple, just one of the 15 men tugging on the rope has to rest for just a second to catch his breath, then the hankerchief starts to move in the opposite direction.  That then energizes the opposition and they pull harder, adrenalin pumping, then another guys lets up for just a second, it moves again and pretty soon your asses are all in the mud.  His message was that no platoon was in better shape than we were, stronger than we were, but we were not mentally up to the task.  Each and every marine must commit to himself and his team mates that he would be damned if he would be the one who lets up for even a second, you will not be the one to let everyone else down.

Long and short of it was this.  From that point foreward we never, ever lost a tug of war.  I witnessed guys pulling on a rope for 15 minutes straight and the hankerchief not moving 2 inches in either direction, but sooner or later his words became gospel.  One guy on the other team would stop and rest for a split second and it would start moving.  Our guys knew the drill and the adrenalin set in and we were pulling folks all into the mud....worked every time.

As I became an adult in an adult world I found myself in my 30's in a terrible situation where I was failing regularly in my job.  My co-worker was supposedly my trainer and was negotiating to become a partner in the firm.  Little did I realize that if I succeeded it would hurt his negotiating position...so instead of helping me he was giving me bad advice trying to do everything he could do to get me to fail and quit.  Well the day came where the partnership agreement was signed.  He then called me into his office and laid out the truth, gave me a heartfelt apology and then said, "I have never met a guy like you before.  You just would never quit.  No matter how many times you got knocked down, you got back up and fought even harder."  It was meant as a compliment.  He then told me what I needed to get back on track and I became the #1 producer in the firm for over 25 years straight. 

I then took them to court and won the lawsuit cause I knew I had more will power than they did and I won hands down.

Many times I have wished I could find my old DI to thank him for teaching me one of life greatest lessons....

Why did I tell that story?  Because right now all of us who are Americans are in the fight of our lives to save our republic.  No matter how hard we try.  No matter how many times we go to town hall meetings, write our congressmen, send letters to the editor, the other side is making fun of us, trying to humiliate us.  What did Axelrod say about the tea party.  "They don't represent mainstream America......and later the said, "They are wrong."  Today Harry Reid basically said he would use the nuclear option if he had to in order to jam the health care bill down our throats.  And following that is cap and trade.  I spent six hours researching cap and trade last night and it is a horror story beyond belief.  They are behaving like they believe they have more will power than we do and they are wrong, but they will continue to do as Van Jones screamed, push and push and push. 

I'm a few months from 70, and a very tired old man.  BUT I TELL YOU THIS.  I WILL BE DAMNED IF I AM GOING TO GIVE UP OR LET UP.  I WILL NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES LET THE BASTARDS GET ME DOWN.

Ya with me???
5412
Title: Re: We must prevail, we can never allow ourselves to give up
Post by: BlueStateSaint on September 19, 2009, 02:30:58 PM
A few nights ago, my wife wanted to know why I was lying awake at 0-dark-30.  I told her that I was worried that our daughter might not be able to enjoy the same things we could, because of the socialism creep brought on by the current idiots in power.  I said, "Freedom and liberty are worth fighting and dying for."  To my utter amazement, she agreed with me. 

I work in a city (Albany NY) filled with lefties.

I'm in.
Title: Re: We must prevail, we can never allow ourselves to give up
Post by: 5412 on September 19, 2009, 05:49:01 PM
A few nights ago, my wife wanted to know why I was lying awake at 0-dark-30.  I told her that I was worried that our daughter might not be able to enjoy the same things we could, because of the socialism creep brought on by the current idiots in power.  I said, "Freedom and liberty are worth fighting and dying for."  To my utter amazement, she agreed with me. 

I work in a city (Albany NY) filled with lefties.

I'm in.

Hi,

I am glad.  I am a few months short of 70 and come to the realization that I would rather die fighting for something I believe in than drooling in my Cheerios in a nursing home.

Best regards,
5412
Title: Re: We must prevail, we can never allow ourselves to give up
Post by: Bluegrassman on September 20, 2009, 12:59:39 AM
I work in a union full of hard corp lefties. I'm always willing to share my opposing views very vocally which makes me not so popular....

I'm with ya. :usflag:
Title: Re: We must prevail, we can never allow ourselves to give up
Post by: Freeper on September 20, 2009, 04:01:25 PM
Inspiring words sir.
Title: Re: We must prevail, we can never allow ourselves to give up
Post by: Mustang on September 22, 2009, 04:05:14 AM
That was very inspiring, thank you for sharing your story. Semper Fi.
Title: Re: We must prevail, we can never allow ourselves to give up
Post by: nakedliberty on November 02, 2009, 02:45:06 PM
Its funny how you can be on this earth for 43 years and still read something that you haven't seen or heard put quite that way before.  Really made me think.  Thanks!

By the Way, my dad was a marine and at Pendleton about the same time you were at Parris Island.  He talks like you do.  
Title: Re: We must prevail, we can never allow ourselves to give up
Post by: ColonialMarine0431 on November 02, 2009, 02:58:15 PM
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His message was that no platoon was in better shape than we were, stronger than we were, but we were not mentally up to the task. 


That's what it comes down too. That's why our code is "Honor, Courage, Commitment". Like when I made a royal arse of myself recently and had to man up to it. Nobody demanded it from me. I demanded it from myself.

Semper Fi!

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y53/ColonialMarine/USMC/PWO1321-1.jpg)
Title: Re: We must prevail, we can never allow ourselves to give up
Post by: DixieBelle on November 02, 2009, 03:02:48 PM
Semper Fi!

Thank you, thank you, thank you. As the granddaughter of a proud Marine, I thank you!
Title: Re: We must prevail, we can never allow ourselves to give up
Post by: JohnnyReb on November 04, 2009, 02:36:55 PM
Hi folks,

We got inside and he had us close all the windows, no AC mind you, then we participated in one of his favorite drills called over and under.  

Ah...the Indoor Olympics. My Drill Instructors favorite sports were "Watching TV" and "Hanging Ten".

"Watching TV" wasn't to bad. You sat on the deck with your hands behind your head and your feet off the deck. You stayed like that until stomach cramps and muscle spasms had half the platoon jumping about like Mexican jumping beans.

"Hanging Ten" was always relaxing. You had to hook your toes over the rail of the top rack and hang down, pushing out from the base with your hands so that you were on an angle. You hung like that until (in my case) everything turned green (couldn't see) and as your ears filled with blood you couldn't hear commands clearly or not at all. When you felt the deck shake a few times from people passing out and falling off their rack you knew it was just about over. The drill instructors would come by and knock your feet off the top rack at which point you were supposed to jump to attention....of course when you jumped to attention, you immediately passed out.....now if you were smart, you extended by fakery that passed out time on the floor for a couple of minutes so that when you jumped to attention the second time, you didn't immediately pass out again.

And let me assure you fellows that passed through Parris Island in the heat of one of the three hot seasons....it's just as damn miserable in the dead of winter..... :rotf:....no matter what, my position on the PT field was always on a mud puddle. And no matter how careful I was not to break the ice on it, one of my Drill Instructors was sure to come along and be nice enough to break the damn ice for me. .... :rotf:

JohnnyReb...class of '64
Title: Re: We must prevail, we can never allow ourselves to give up
Post by: 5412 on November 04, 2009, 04:42:09 PM
Ah...the Indoor Olympics. My Drill Instructors favorite sports were "Watching TV" and "Hanging Ten".

"Watching TV" wasn't to bad. You sat on the deck with your hands behind your head and your feet off the deck. You stayed like that until stomach cramps and muscle spasms had half the platoon jumping about like Mexican jumping beans.

"Hanging Ten" was always relaxing. You had to hook your toes over the rail of the top rack and hang down, pushing out from the base with your hands so that you were on an angle. You hung like that until (in my case) everything turned green (couldn't see) and as your ears filled with blood you couldn't hear commands clearly or not at all. When you felt the deck shake a few times from people passing out and falling off their rack you knew it was just about over. The drill instructors would come by and knock your feet off the top rack at which point you were supposed to jump to attention....of course when you jumped to attention, you immediately passed out.....now if you were smart, you extended by fakery that passed out time on the floor for a couple of minutes so that when you jumped to attention the second time, you didn't immediately pass out again.

And let me assure you fellows that passed through Parris Island in the heat of one of the three hot seasons....it's just as damn miserable in the dead of winter..... :rotf:....no matter what, my position on the PT field was always on a mud puddle. And no matter how careful I was not to break the ice on it, one of my Drill Instructors was sure to come along and be nice enough to break the damn ice for me. .... :rotf:

JohnnyReb...class of '64

Hi Johnny,

I was honestly blessed with the best damn DI on the island.  His name was SSgt Thomas R. Phebus.  I owe the man a great deal for the lessons he taught me.  Unlike some of the other DI's, for the most part our punishment was PT (Physical Training), squat jumps, pushups, situps, you name it.  Whenever he gave us punishment, he did them with us counting in typical drill instructor bellow as we did them.  He was an amazing man, I personally saw him do 50 pullups counting all the way.  The best guy in our platoon was Tommy Epp, a state champion wrestler in Illinois and he could do 18.  Pheobus was the top DI and his recruit platoons always finished in the top of the graduation class and as I got older I understood why. 

Not only would he do the drill with us, he would require his assistant DI to do them as well.  Now we were at PI from 6/20/58 for whatever 16 weeks turned out to be.  We hit 120 on the rifle range and there was only one day in the entire experience when it was too hot todrill and the red flag went up.  Instead we stayed inside the damn quonset huts with no circulation whatsoever.

Funny some of the crazy stuff you remember.  We ran from the barracks out to the quonset huts for the rifle range.  They had heavy lined, quilted shooting jackes in a pile and we had like two mintues to find a jacket that fit.  They were all still wet and sweaty from the last platoon that wore them....as I would imagine they were when we took them off and left them in a pile when we were done at the range.

You have to understand our generation was much different.  We had two guys on our football team that topped 200# and we thought they were huge.  I graduated from high school on 6/10/58 and weighed 142#.....when I got out of boot camp I weighed 168# with probably less body fat than I had when I got to the island.

And finally, I do not know about your DI's but ours were absolute comedians.  I will never forget him screaming at me, about two inches from my nose, "Miller you are so damn dumb you could take your brain, maginfy it 1000 times, stick it up a fleas ass and it would rattle like a BB in a boxcar!"  "YES SIR!"  Try to do that and keep from laughing.....

Ah yes you brought back some memories....

regards,
5412
Title: Re: We must prevail, we can never allow ourselves to give up
Post by: Chump on November 04, 2009, 05:07:26 PM
Thanks for sharing that 5412.  I've gotten further and further towards the side of saying, "**** this garbage.  I'm done."

Well...**** that garbage thinking.  Thank you sir.   :cheersmate:
Title: Re: We must prevail, we can never allow ourselves to give up
Post by: JohnnyReb on November 04, 2009, 05:23:17 PM
"Miller you are so damn dumb you could take your brain, maginfy it 1000 times, stick it up a fleas ass and it would rattle like a BB in a boxcar!"  "YES SIR!"  Try to do that and keep from laughing.....


regards,
5412

You're a better man than I....I couldn't contain my laughter and my platoon paid dearly for that fact. It took about the first 2 weeks of boot camp for me to learn to control it. At least I wasn't alone, there was a Seminole Indian from south Florida in our platoon that enjoyed a good laugh too.

And about the weight thing. I was 6'4" and weighed 135 lbs, skin and bones, when I joined. I had to drink a lot of water and eat a couple of bananas to weigh 141 lbs (the minimum) to enlist. 5 days after arriving at Parris Island they gave us a bunch of shots, measured and weighed us....I weighed 130 lbs....I had lost 5 pounds. 31 days later they did it again....I weighed 161 pounds. I had gained a pound a day and it wasn't any of it fat.

"Chow time" was funny. I can hear the drill instructor now, "Skinny bodies to the front. Fat bodies to the rear. Fat bodies, meat, lettuce and water only. Hatch bodyyyyyyyyy...open the hatch".

Title: Re: We must prevail, we can never allow ourselves to give up
Post by: 5412 on November 04, 2009, 09:24:09 PM
Thanks for sharing that 5412.  I've gotten further and further towards the side of saying, "**** this garbage.  I'm done."

Well...**** that garbage thinking.  Thank you sir.   :cheersmate:

Hi,

Thank SSgt Phebus.....all I did was mention what I learned from him.  This is too doggone important to give up, we out number them despite what the media trys to portray.  The hankerchief started moving in our direction last night, the trick is to pull harder now, not rest......  The public has finally figured out just what real liberals are all about....taking away the freedom many of us volunteered to risk our lives for. 

When you think about it we survived the first year and we are moving in our direction, one more year to go...

Hang in there.....I just may start a thread about that.  Thanks for prompting me.

regards,
5412
Title: Re: We must prevail, we can never allow ourselves to give up
Post by: Patriot Lady on December 05, 2009, 08:14:52 AM
Thank you! My son is a Marine and I understand totally!
As for me-- I will never give up! This country is too important to have it given away to a bunch of loons. More and more people are waking up and I do believe that we have a chance. It will not be easy, but we can do it!
As an aside- I am sick that my son is serving under this administration. They do not see the Military as they should. Did you ever watch how Bam salutes as he gets off of the plane? Aweful site! patheteic!
Title: Re: We must prevail, we can never allow ourselves to give up
Post by: 5412 on December 05, 2009, 06:18:49 PM
Thank you! My son is a Marine and I understand totally!
As for me-- I will never give up! This country is too important to have it given away to a bunch of loons. More and more people are waking up and I do believe that we have a chance. It will not be easy, but we can do it!
As an aside- I am sick that my son is serving under this administration. They do not see the Military as they should. Did you ever watch how Bam salutes as he gets off of the plane? Aweful site! patheteic!

Hi,

Yes BO has no clue how to salute.  You can see the absolute disgust the Marine Guards have for him also.  They do their job but the looks on their faces speak volumes.

Your son is a hero.  When guys like me were in it was a cake walk.  We were too young for Korea and had been discharged by the time Vietnam got going.

God bless him,

5412
Title: Re: We must prevail, we can never allow ourselves to give up
Post by: Patriot Lady on December 05, 2009, 06:34:41 PM
Thanks for the God Bless- Iraq 2 times! He is in DC now. 2 more years to go
I am so worried about the troops going to Afghanistan!!!! You cannot imagine how I feel. Oops, I think you can :)
Anyhow
Thanks for the encouragement! Keep it up
Title: Re: We must prevail, we can never allow ourselves to give up
Post by: catsmtrods on December 26, 2009, 04:29:17 PM
True words of wisdom sir! It works in all of lifes pursuits. I am a fisherman and love to watch bassmaster Mike Iaconelli, his motto "never give up" He has won many touraments in the last moment.
Title: Re: We must prevail, we can never allow ourselves to give up
Post by: ColonialMarine0431 on December 27, 2009, 10:33:05 AM
Hi,

Yes BO has no clue how to salute.  You can see the absolute disgust the Marine Guards have for him also.  They do their job but the looks on their faces speak volumes.

Your son is a hero.  When guys like me were in it was a cake walk.  We were too young for Korea and had been discharged by the time Vietnam got going.

God bless him,

5412

That half-ass "salute" he gives when boarding or getting off Marine One really galls me.

Well.....we have an answer...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIHz5tevLAw&feature=PlayList&p=BB67B0B1F2D9F320&index=5
Title: Re: We must prevail, we can never allow ourselves to give up
Post by: Patriot Lady on December 27, 2009, 10:54:27 AM
That half-ass "salute" he gives when boarding or getting off Marine One really galls me.

Well.....we have an answer...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIHz5tevLAw&feature=PlayList&p=BB67B0B1F2D9F320&index=5
You got it! W, looked them in the eye when he saluted. Bam, looks at the ground. Thanks for the Tube- I sent it to my son.
Title: Re: We must prevail, we can never allow ourselves to give up
Post by: delilahmused on January 29, 2010, 01:19:49 PM
Wow, I'm late to the party, but that's very inspiring. I'm disgusted that he's my son's CinC. Jake says he'd have no problem saluting Sara Palin, though!

Cindie
Title: Re: We must prevail, we can never allow ourselves to give up
Post by: debk on March 17, 2010, 09:25:46 AM
I just saw this thread for the first time.....great thread!!!

A very good read for all....
Title: Re: We must prevail, we can never allow ourselves to give up
Post by: Daisy on March 18, 2010, 05:36:30 PM
My thanks to all on this thread. If ever we needed a pep talk it's NOW.... :usflag:
Title: Re: We must prevail, we can never allow ourselves to give up
Post by: Revolution on May 18, 2010, 09:45:19 PM
THANK YOU, 5412. For both your service, and the speech. I'm not going to steal your thunder, but I am visually impaired, and suffer extreme depression. I was moved by that speech, and will try with all my might to keep kickin'. No matter what happens.  :saluteusmc:

PS: Anyone who wishes to hear my story, just ask. I will try to condense it.
Title: Re: We must prevail, we can never allow ourselves to give up
Post by: Boudicca on September 21, 2010, 08:44:59 AM
THANK YOU, 5412. For both your service, and the speech. I'm not going to steal your thunder, but I am visually impaired, and suffer extreme depression. I was moved by that speech, and will try with all my might to keep kickin'. No matter what happens.  :saluteusmc:

PS: Anyone who wishes to hear my story, just ask. I will try to condense it.

Revolution, I came across this excellent and inspiring thread today.  I'd like to hear your story!
Thanks to 5412 for sharing such wonderful advice for all of us.  And thanks for making me feel not quite so old this morning, sir.  I was resting in my Mama's womb while you were "playing" at PI. :tongue:

My son came back from Marine boot camp talking about how much FUN he had. :doh:  And he did mention how everyone picked on him because he was barely 17.  The senior DI asked him if his parents knew he was there, well, yes Drill Sergeant, then they must not love you, to which my son said, guess not.  He said the other 17-year old that got razzed that way cried.  Hmm.  I told him to thank me for all the years he got to listen to me yelling at him. :lmao:

Thank you, and everyone else reading this who served/serves for your committment to this nation.  My deepest sympathies for those on active duty with Zer0 as CiC.

Title: Re: We must prevail, we can never allow ourselves to give up
Post by: 5412 on September 21, 2010, 10:36:34 AM
Revolution, I came across this excellent and inspiring thread today.  I'd like to hear your story!
Thanks to 5412 for sharing such wonderful advice for all of us.  And thanks for making me feel not quite so old this morning, sir.  I was resting in my Mama's womb while you were "playing" at PI. :tongue:

My son came back from Marine boot camp talking about how much FUN he had. :doh:  And he did mention how everyone picked on him because he was barely 17.  The senior DI asked him if his parents knew he was there, well, yes Drill Sergeant, then they must not love you, to which my son said, guess not.  He said the other 17-year old that got razzed that way cried.  Hmm.  I told him to thank me for all the years he got to listen to me yelling at him. :lmao:

Thank you, and everyone else reading this who served/serves for your committment to this nation.  My deepest sympathies for those on active duty with Zer0 as CiC.



Hi,

Thanks to all for the nice words.  I must confess my wife and I have looked at Costa Rica and Panama as a possible alternative because we are worrying about health care being rationed for seniors.  Then it finally dawned on us.  If we need health care we can always travel down to central America and get it......plus what kind of message would we send to our children and grandchildren.  I will be damned if I am going to let these idiots get me down.  We are in the majority, and the tea party movement has made that pretty clear. 

I am thrilled that the tea party is not doing any comprising at this point.  Time to get this country where it belongs once again, we all just need to pull together.

regards,
5412
Title: Re: We must prevail, we can never allow ourselves to give up
Post by: 12th Man on March 31, 2011, 11:26:06 AM
Awesome story!  I totally agree!
Title: Re: We must prevail, we can never allow ourselves to give up
Post by: Doubleplusungood on April 09, 2012, 06:24:08 PM
I've been close to giving up. The left has been beating me down for so long that its hard to take much more of it. I have even contemplated moving to New Zealand to get away from it all. What is worse is that the Republican party makes it so damn hard to support them when they give us McCain who intentionally laid down for Obama, and the Romney. I am forced to vote for this puke because he isn't Obama. This next election presents the absolute worst choices for POTUS I have seen in my lifetime. I will vote for Romney because I have no choice in that matter. Obama is just too dangerous to be given another term.
Title: Re: We must prevail, we can never allow ourselves to give up
Post by: Eupher on April 10, 2012, 09:27:16 AM
I've been close to giving up. The left has been beating me down for so long that its hard to take much more of it. I have even contemplated moving to New Zealand to get away from it all. What is worse is that the Republican party makes it so damn hard to support them when they give us McCain who intentionally laid down for Obama, and the Romney. I am forced to vote for this puke because he isn't Obama. This next election presents the absolute worst choices for POTUS I have seen in my lifetime. I will vote for Romney because I have no choice in that matter. Obama is just too dangerous to be given another term.

Well, as we recently discovered here on another thread, New Zealand definitely has their share of moonbats. And they're just as loony as American moonbats.
Title: Re: We must prevail, we can never allow ourselves to give up
Post by: Lacarnut on April 11, 2012, 12:26:48 AM
5412...Thanks for that inspiring story. I too was considering hanging it up and moving to Belize. After doing the research, I came to the conclusion that there is no other country in the world that is better than the USA. So, instead of buying a condo there, I bought a vacation beach condo in Perdido Key FL last month. This old fart will never cave in to the bastards that are trying to tear this country down.   
Title: Re: We must prevail, we can never allow ourselves to give up
Post by: 5412 on April 12, 2012, 10:15:18 PM
5412...Thanks for that inspiring story. I too was considering hanging it up and moving to Belize. After doing the research, I came to the conclusion that there is no other country in the world that is better than the USA. So, instead of buying a condo there, I bought a vacation beach condo in Perdido Key FL last month. This old fart will never cave in to the bastards that are trying to tear this country down.  

Hi,

Very familiar with Perdido Key.  My wife and I built a home in Parasol West about ten years ago and figured we would live there for the rest of our lives.  While our house survived very well, three hurricanes later we decide it might not be what we had hoped and we sold it.....mercifully before Ivan hit.

I know you and I talked about exiting some time back and we came to the same conclusion you did.  We have a "back door" if we need it.  If Obamacare gets overturned, which legally it should, then our primary reason for leaving is removed.

We lived almost directly across the street from that pyramid shaped condo building with our back yard on "Old river".  We had a three story, white house with a green metal roof right by the road and boat dock.    We looked across the road at the gulf at the time because it was not built out, and our back yard (stilt home) porch had a wonderful view of Ono Island.  Kinda funny looking north into Alabama.

If Lillian's Pizza is still on the Island, please tell her Dennis and Jo Miller send their regards.  Used to be the best pizza around.

regards,
5412

PS:  Now my wife and I both own a 2006 SSR, hers is black, mine is silver.  They came equipped with Corvette engines and we love them.
Title: Re: We must prevail, we can never allow ourselves to give up
Post by: obumazombie on April 12, 2012, 10:43:25 PM
A few nights ago, my wife wanted to know why I was lying awake at 0-dark-30.  I told her that I was worried that our daughter might not be able to enjoy the same things we could, because of the socialism creep brought on by the current idiots in power.  I said, "Freedom and liberty are worth fighting and dying for."  To my utter amazement, she agreed with me. 

I work in a city (Albany NY) filled with lefties.

I'm in.
I'm from your city. Born in Saint Peter's. Lived mostly in Delmar, although really it was Elsmere. Off Delaware ave.
Title: Re: We must prevail, we can never allow ourselves to give up
Post by: 5412 on September 11, 2016, 12:57:32 AM
Hello Everyone,

I must admit I am flattered that something I wrote 7 years ago has managed to stay on top.  If anything the message is even more relevant today than it was when I wrote it.

I'm now 76 years old, living in AZ and still very concerned about the direction of our country.  Never, ever give up.  I told some folks tonight that the government is governing against the will of the majority.  That will come back to haunt them.

Intuitively I believe Donald Trump has picked up on the mood and the will of the majority.  If you look at his immigration policy, 90% of Americans would support it.

If you are in this country illegally and get apprehended for a crime, your ass is gone!
If you are in this country illegally and show up at the welfare office, your ass is gone!
If you are in this country illegally and show up for free medical care, your ass is gone!
If you are in this country illegally and are working, your ass is gone and your employer will be punished.

Most of the illegals will go home on their own if they can't find work.

I can go on with more examples but I'm preaching to the choir.  When a government goes against the will of the majority, they will rebel.  If anything, the last 8 years, and the behavior of the Republican Party, has united us even more.  We have had it with all the establishment politicians.  I'm sure I wasn't the only one that noticed in the early days of the primaries that the non-establishment candidates got the bulk of the votes; particularly in the Republican party.

I spent three months this summer in rural America.  I saw thousands of Trump signs, two Sanders bumper stickers on cars by a local college and one Hillary sticker on a rusted out car.  I drove farm and country roads and saw thousands of farms with huge flag poles and flags flying well above the roof line of their house.  I sat in cafes and talked and listened to conversations and they are all engaged and damn concerned about the country. 

I went to DC with around 500,000 of my new best friends when Glenn Beck held the rally.  It was peaceful.  If there is another spontaneous rally it will be ten times larger and people will be angry because the politicos are not listening. 

Thomas Jefferson said, "When a government fears the people, there is liberty.  When the people fear the government, there is tyranny." 

It is indeed time to transform America back to a true Constitutional Republic.

Keep pushing, we will prevail!

Regards,
5412
Title: Re: We must prevail, we can never allow ourselves to give up
Post by: Wayne on September 11, 2016, 06:20:30 AM
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Title: Re: We must prevail, we can never allow ourselves to give up
Post by: BlueStateSaint on September 11, 2016, 07:59:19 AM
I'm watching the reading of the names of those who died in the Twin Towers.  The Left in this country is, ideologically, indistinguishable from al Qaeda and ISIS.

Always be vigilant.  Carry if you can.
Title: Re: We must prevail, we can never allow ourselves to give up
Post by: 5412 on September 20, 2016, 10:51:48 PM
Hi,

The previous poster gave some good advice here:

Carry if you can.

I want to add one tip.  When I decided to start carrying our concealed weapons instructor said my wife also needed a permit.  His reasoning was simple.  Suppose we went to a sporting event where we could not bring a weapon inside, and instead locked it in the glove compartment, and then forgot it.  Then my wife gets pulled over for a traffic violation and they find a weapon in the glove compartment.  She could be prosecuted.  His reasoning is, whether they carry or not, it just makes sense to avoid any problems.

As a funny aside, when I thought about carrying, we were having dinner with friends and I asked them about it.  I never realized how safe I was with my friends.  One dinner, with six couples, 10 of the 12 people had permits and were carrying.  These are what young people would call old farts with grey hair!

Regards,
5412

Title: Re: We must prevail, we can never allow ourselves to give up
Post by: 5412 on October 21, 2016, 10:55:54 PM
Hi,

This just appeared on the Limbaugh site:

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2016/10/21/robert_creamer_s_jailhouse_manual_for_democrats_to_demoralize_conservatives

This is exactly why we must never, ever give up.  Now matter how much crap they throw, never let the bastards get the best of you.

Regards,
5412
Title: Re: We must prevail, we can never allow ourselves to give up
Post by: BlueStateSaint on June 21, 2017, 06:33:28 PM
Hi,

This just appeared on the Limbaugh site:

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2016/10/21/robert_creamer_s_jailhouse_manual_for_democrats_to_demoralize_conservatives

This is exactly why we must never, ever give up.  Now matter how much crap they throw, never let the bastards get the best of you.

Regards,
5412

Check the date at the top of the article.  It's from October 23rd of last year.
Title: Re: We must prevail, we can never allow ourselves to give up
Post by: thundley4 on June 21, 2017, 09:00:40 PM
Check the date at the top of the article.  It's from October 23rd of last year.

Um, 5412 posted this in October last year. However, much of the original article is valid.
Title: Re: We must prevail, we can never allow ourselves to give up
Post by: BlueStateSaint on June 22, 2017, 10:17:48 AM
Um, 5412 posted this in October last year. However, much of the original article is valid.

I sit corrected, then. :o :banghead: :thatsright:
Title: Re: We must prevail, we can never allow ourselves to give up
Post by: Fed-Up on January 28, 2021, 11:42:45 PM
With all the current garbage going on, what I want to know is:

What about revolt?

Is a revolt on the table?  If so, when?
Title: Re: We must prevail, we can never allow ourselves to give up
Post by: Eupher on January 29, 2021, 08:15:42 AM
With all the current garbage going on, what I want to know is:

What about revolt?

Is a revolt on the table?  If so, when?

Texas Rep. Biedermann announced last month he'd be filing a resolution in the Texas legislature for Texas to secede. I suspect that will go nowhere. Nice thought, but ain't gonna happen.

Lots of internet badasses out there who preen and strut. Remains to be seen how far that strutting will go when the bullets start flying.

Conservatives are frustrated, angry, and fuming at an election that had more than the usual fraud and cheating going on. There is no doubt that the Dem apparatus took advantage of Covid to stack the deck in their favor. Surprising to see, really, given that most state legislatures and governors are red. Asleep at the wheel? In Georgia, most definitely. In Michigan and Pennsylvania, the governors and secretaries of state are Dem, so they knew full well what they were doing.

All that said, a "revolt" is what was attempted on Jan. 6. Evidence indicates that the actions were pre-planned, indicating conspiracy. Ask yourself a question - how did that "revolt" work? What did it accomplish? If anything, that "revolt" blew up in their faces or, if the leaders of that revolt had fully intended for it to happen that way, the Republican party and in particular those who support DJT took it in the shorts.

Best way to fight this isn't through violence. It's getting involved in local politics. Personally, I abhor the Republican party almost as much (but not quite) as I abhor the Democrat party. They are, in my view, two birds of a feather. They both spend, spend, spend and they both lust for power. But I'm sure that splitting the Repub party would play right into the Dems' hands and effectively seal their power.

The best thing about all this is, the DJT faction isn't going away. So far, at least, the populist movement within the Repub party is well-positioned to begin the slow, laborious process of ousting the elite class Repubs like McConnell and Graham. Word on the street is McConnell isn't going to run for another term when his expires in 2026 -- that's good, though there's no doubt he's a masterful tactician within the Senate. But his buddy-buddy shit with Schumer does not sit well with me, but that's the way they roll and that's why I abhor both R and D. They both steal from the taxpayer, then go to lunch together afterwards.
Title: Re: We must prevail, we can never allow ourselves to give up
Post by: thundley4 on January 29, 2021, 10:47:38 AM
In Michigan and Pennsylvania, the governors and secretaries of state are Dem, so they knew full well what they were doing.

Soros funded groups have been targeting SOS and various prosecutor offices for quite a while just for this purpose. Typically SOS offices act impartially, but in the case of voting matters, their partisanship shines.

https://ballotpedia.org/Secretary_of_State_Project


They didn't stop, they just went more secretive because of long term planning.
Title: Re: We must prevail, we can never allow ourselves to give up
Post by: NRAInstructor on July 31, 2021, 10:51:55 AM
First and most importantly, God bless, Marine.  I think if things ever truly go sideways in our country, our Marines will be our saving grace.

Secondly, I am with all of you, no matter what.