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The more I thought about this the madder I got.
« on: February 21, 2009, 06:10:32 PM »
Hi,

Following my note is a letter I sent to our democrat, lunatic, senator here in Florida.  If any of you feel as I do feel free to copy any part of what I sent, I personally would like the backlash to continue to haunt the liberal assholes....as you will see by my letter.  To me this issue is much bigger than just the stimulus package, we are fighting over who is in power, the people or BIG BROTHER.

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Dear Senator Nelson,

I was one of many thousand Floridians who contacted your office and begged you to vote against the stupid stimulus package. 

You indicated in an interview that the calls to your office were 10-1 against the bill and you still voted for it.

Then you top it off by sending out a form letter extolling all the virtues of the bill and the need for urgency.

Senator, just what part of the constitution do I fail to understand?  I think the power rests with the people and we hire you to represent us in Washington, if I am correct?

Isn't it our job as citizens to let you know where we stand on legislative issues?  Isn't it then your job to represent us in Washington?  Senator we did our job.  That is more than you can say.

Let me make this perfectly clear.  WE DON'T GIVE A DAMN WHAT YOU THINK OF THE STUPID BILL, IF YOUR CONSITTUIENTS ARE 90% AGAINST ANY ISSUE, OR FOR ANY ISSUE WE EXPECT YOU SHOULD DO YOUR JOB AND REPRESENT US.  WHEN DEMOCRAT PARTY UNITY BECOMES MORE IMPORTANT THAN REPRESENTING THOSE WHO HIRED YOU, OUR COUNTRY IS IN TROUBLE AND SO ARE YOU.

You are either very stupid or arrogant, or both.  It is the absolute arrogance of the liberals in the democrat party, you included, that have caused the American public to lose any trust they might have had in our government.

You should be ashamed of yourself, your behavior is a disgrace!

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Re: The more I thought about this the madder I got.
« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2009, 06:15:25 PM »
Most "representatives" consider their mere election to be a vote of confidence in their judgment.  Smart ones listen to their constituents. 

In the case of this pork bill, it seems ideology trumped all. 

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« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2009, 06:37:45 PM »
I like your letter.  It is short and to the point. It asks some pointed, yet easy to answer questions.

I have written similar letters to my elected officials in the past. 

The responses I recieved, if I got a response at all, were boiler plate BS, likely written by some staffer.

I doubt that Senator Nelson will ever even see your letter.

But I applaud you for the effort.

The type of responses, or lack there of, that I received has not stopped me from continuing to contact my elected officials via phone, snail mail, e-mail and fax.

I've even sent a few faxes to the White House when Bush was in office.
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Re: The more I thought about this the madder I got.
« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2009, 06:48:56 PM »
Hi Rich,

I screwed up!  I just re-read your letter and you said it has not stopped you....I thought you said you had stopped.  Oh well my message is to those who have stopped, or have not started blasting our elected officials.  Way to go, we need more fighters like you!  Actually I am going to modify this a tad.

Thanks for your response.  I added a sentence to my post, probably after you read it.  This is much more important than the individual issues they are voting in.  We are in an all out war and struggle for power, the people, versus BIG BROTHER.

We all need to be blasting away at our elected officials, if you don't BIG BROTHER wins.  If we are apathetic and do nothing, BIG BROTHER WINS. 

Let me offer some HOPE which is a scary word these days.  Several democrats in the House of Representatives actually went to Pelosi and asked her "permission" (Now if that is not a poster child for term limits, I do not know what is) to vote against the package because of all the heat they were getting back home.  They wanted to vote against it and not be punished for being bad children. 

The fact remains, at least those folks were listening.  Maybe they will eventually get educated to the point that they don't have to ask mommy's permission anymore, they should do as they are told by those that hired them.

The more we keep the pressure on the better.  Giving up means BIG BROTHER wins. 

As an aside, I am closer to 70 than to 65.  Some of the conversations I have had with my peers of late is scary.  We have all pretty much decided we would rather die fighting for what we believe in than as vegetables in a nursing home, or live in a communist state.  To a man we are prepared to defend our families, our communities and our country against all threats to our freedom and democracy, and that includes a tyrannical government.  I mean really.  Let the soldiers come in and shoot a bunch of seniors with weapons standing up for what they believe and on the right side of the moral issue and see how well that plays out on national TV.  If need be, we would be willing to make that sacrifice.  Our parents and grandparents did it for us and we owe future generations the same thing.

Please don't anybody ever give up, blast away, blast away and blast away some more.  It does help relieve some of the anger and your blood pressure will drop a bit.

Best personal regards,
5412

PS:  We also came to another conclusion.  If you see a 70 year old with one gun, be very careful.  Good chance he knows how to use it and only needs one.......and, at this point in life realizes he has a heck of a lot less to lose than most people.
« Last Edit: February 21, 2009, 06:55:43 PM by 5412 »

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Re: The more I thought about this the madder I got.
« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2009, 07:16:02 PM »
No worries 5412,

I am not one to give up the fight.

I much prefer that battle to be at the ballot box, but I am well prepared to use the ammo box when the need arises.

My hope is that the ammo box will not be needed again in these United States.  But my fear is that it will, if not in my life time, the life time of my children or grandchild.

I'd rather it be in mine.  I'd prefer to spare my grandchild the horror of another War of Independence. 

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When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.


I swore an oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States when I first entered US military service.  I swore that oath a total of 3 times (re-enlistments and such).  As far as I am concerned, that oath has no expiration date.  I either post on or lurk at various message boards like this one, that have a lot of military vets.  I get the feeling that there are millions of vets out there that feel the same way about that oath as I do.

I'll keep up the fight as long as I still have a beating heart in my chest.  I'll fight at the ballot box and with the ammo box.
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Re: The more I thought about this the madder I got.
« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2009, 07:43:28 PM »
I swore an oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States when I first entered US military service.  I swore that oath a total of 3 times (re-enlistments and such).  As far as I am concerned, that oath has no expiration date.  I either post on or lurk at various message boards like this one, that have a lot of military vets.  I get the feeling that there are millions of vets out there that feel the same way about that oath as I do.

I'll keep up the fight as long as I still have a beating heart in my chest.  I'll fight at the ballot box and with the ammo box.

I asked that question when I had to repeat the same oath I gave for the military to become a civil servant...............they looked at me like I was crazy when I said I never stopped living under the same oath
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Re: The more I thought about this the madder I got.
« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2009, 07:49:53 PM »
Hi again,

Let me ask you a way out question.

If the state of Texas said they wanted to start a militia of ex military, with their own weapons to serve and assist the border patrol would you consider it?  

Reason I ask is this.  I am retired, unless BO takes us into hyper inflation I likely have enough for the duration on this earth.  I might just be willing to do something like that for nothing, volunteer, just like some folks do at hospitals.  Instead of a candy striper-maybea camoflague striper.

Hell, I was lucky enough to be too young for Korea and I got out of the Marine Corps just as Vietnam was starting up.  I agree with you, weapons should be the last resort.

At the same time my wife decided to get her own concealed weapons permit (60 years old) and then bought her first carry pistol.  S&W 642 .38 special snub nosed revolver.  One of the first things her instructor asked her and I asked her many times was this.  If you or a member of your family are attacked are you prepared to kill another human being?  Now this from a grandmother, who takes in stray cats, does not let me kill lizards in the house, prefers to catch them with paper towels and toss them back into the grass mind you.  Without hesitation, she says, and means absolutely.

Don't want it to resort to that but will not hesitate if necessary.

Back to my question.  Again, even for free, if one could serve his country at this point he would feel that at least he is contributing.  I have told my wife that if I were to become single I honestly would try to enlist.  Heck I can type to free up a younger person to a more responsible task.  Why do I suspect there are a lot more guys like me....to use your term, lurking out there just hoping for someone to ask them and wanting to contribute.

Just curious, guess I am trying to test the water to see if there are really others who feel as I do.

Thanks,
5412

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Re: The more I thought about this the madder I got.
« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2009, 08:06:51 PM »
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If the state of Texas said they wanted to start a militia of ex military, with their own weapons to serve and assist the border patrol would you consider it? 

I would indeed.

I would consider it not only a duty, but a privledge to protect our national borders, especially in light of the fact that our federal government does such a piss poor job of it.

But I would insist that it be totally seperate from the US border patrol.  The US border patrol is after all a government entity.  Work with yes, be part of?  NO.

BTW 5412, did you know that by US law most US citizens are already part of the unorganized militia?

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/10/311.html

§ 311. Militia: composition and classes
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.

(b) The classes of the militia are—

(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and

(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.
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Re: The more I thought about this the madder I got.
« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2009, 08:17:50 PM »
Hi,

No I did not know we are part of a militia, but thought we could be called to form a militia if necessary.

Did you see Glenn Beck last night when he was discussion worst case scenarios if it all goes to pot?  One of his commetators discussed what he called the "Bubba Effect".  Basically when society comes to the realization the government can no longer protect you, they band together and form their own militia.  Like they think that only the dumb southern white boys would do that?????

I live in a gated community which, in our small town, likely would be a target for those who choose to pull crap like they did in Katrina.  Little do they know one of my good friends down the block is an ex-CIA, very cloudy and dark history, my neighbor is a big game hunter and I am a target shooter with 15,000 rounds in the safe, probably the least of the three of us.  It would take about ten minutes for us to form a militia and between the three of us we have enough arms to probably form a decent platoon.  Those who would choose to come invade our territory would likely not expect the old folks to be as prepared as we are...and would suffer serious consequences.....and as I said before, us old folks do not have a whole lot to lose at this point.

Multiply that time a million and I suspect we would have militias in cities, neigborhoods, national guard, even large condo projects could easily have a militia, and it would gravitiate to that very quickly if folks are threatened.

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Re: The more I thought about this the madder I got.
« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2009, 08:29:01 PM »
Hi,

No I did not know we are part of a militia, but thought we could be called to form a militia if necessary.

Did you see Glenn Beck last night when he was discussion worst case scenarios if it all goes to pot?  One of his commetators discussed what he called the "Bubba Effect".  Basically when society comes to the realization the government can no longer protect you, they band together and form their own militia.  Like they think that only the dumb southern white boys would do that?????

I live in a gated community which, in our small town, likely would be a target for those who choose to pull crap like they did in Katrina.  Little do they know one of my good friends down the block is an ex-CIA, very cloudy and dark history, my neighbor is a big game hunter and I am a target shooter with 15,000 rounds in the safe, probably the least of the three of us.  It would take about ten minutes for us to form a militia and between the three of us we have enough arms to probably form a decent platoon.  Those who would choose to come invade our territory would likely not expect the old folks to be as prepared as we are...and would suffer serious consequences.....and as I said before, us old folks do not have a whole lot to lose at this point.

Multiply that time a million and I suspect we would have militias in cities, neigborhoods, national guard, even large condo projects could easily have a militia, and it would gravitiate to that very quickly if folks are threatened.

regards,
5412


Hello again,

I would like to ask you a question.

What is your personal definition of militia?  I'm not asking for a text book or dictionary reference.  What does the word militia mean to you personally?
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Re: The more I thought about this the madder I got.
« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2009, 08:32:56 PM »
Hi,

Good question.  To me a militia is really something we learned about as kids.  Each state had a militia to protect the population from enemies.

In a rough definition, it would be probably an armed group of people who band together with the primary purpose of defensive protection of the entity.  I contrast that with Hitler who's pirimary purpose was to conquer.

How about you?

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« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2009, 08:37:44 PM »
I like the defintion provided by Richard Henry Lee:

A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves...and include all men capable of bearing arms."

Edit to add.

This is why I don't buy the claim by some that the word "militia" in the 2nd amendment equates to our current National Guard.
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Re: The more I thought about this the madder I got.
« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2009, 09:39:13 PM »
Hi,

Well after I answered you I read the current issue of Shooting Times and Guns & Ammo Handguns, really thinking about your question.

I think you nailed it as far as the definition goes, whereas I was also thinking of purpose. 

For some reason, I still feel a militia is that collection of armed men who band together for defense.  I thought about the joke around here, "our neighborhood militia", but nobody bitches about it either.  I am sure there are many neighbors who are quite pleased about it.  We have a summer home in IL and one of our neighbors has made it clear, if the doo-doo- hits the fan they are heading over to our house.

In any event, Hurricane Katrina really had an impact on me.  I have a friend who is pretty well connected, ex-Navy pilot etc.  He has said for years that all it would take is some disaster and within a few days we would see looting, etc.  He was astounded that in Katrina it took just a matter of a few hours and that segment of the population was in the liquor stores, getting new TV's etc. and then they went into the neighborhoods.  Well living in a small Florida town, unlike when I lived in Chicago and was 25 miles from the ghetto, we are more like 2.5 miles from the ghetto.  We have the same differenct socio-economic groups as the big cities but physically are a whole lot closer to the bad neighborhoods. Our power plant is city owned as is the water company.  If we got a dandy hurricane, or some type disaster, those two could go down pretty quickly and then the fun begins.

Now, to militia.  To me it means defending what we have, perhaps territorial, let them try to come through the guard gate or over the fence, they will wish to hell they hadn't.  On the other hand we have no desire to go into their neighborhood and start a ruckus.  All that would do is start a never-ending ruckus.  Bottom line is if one wants to invade, he uses an army, if one wants to protect their homeland, indeed those who property is on the line could easily form a militia.

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« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2009, 10:18:12 PM »
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Speaks for itself when one stops to consider why our founding fathers included it in what is now known as the BoR.

Please take note that free State, does not necessarily involve a massive Federal Government.

In fact, they had just fought a war to get rid of the one previously in existance.

The COTUS was not fully ratified until the BoR was included as part of the document.

One of my favorite sites:  http://constitution.org/
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Re: The more I thought about this the madder I got.
« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2009, 05:22:49 AM »
Good Morning,

The purpose of the right to bear arms has nothing to do with hunting, it is to protect yourself from a tyrannical government.

Let the soldiers of the king come in and try to destroy the crops so we all starve to death, they would be able to protect themselves from that.

Look at Mexico, the population is not armed, just the drug lords and cops and where does that get them??

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Re: The more I thought about this the madder I got.
« Reply #15 on: February 22, 2009, 05:33:51 AM »
Good Morning,

The purpose of the right to bear arms has nothing to do with hunting, it is to protect yourself from a tyrannical government.

Let the soldiers of the king come in and try to destroy the crops so we all starve to death, they would be able to protect themselves from that.

Look at Mexico, the population is not armed, just the drug lords and cops and where does that get them??

regards,
5412

To paraphrase something I read and agree with 100%.

The right to keep and bear arms is the most fundamental right as it is the one right that ensures the others may not be taken away.