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Prop 8 h8te: The great GAY lie!
« on: November 13, 2008, 06:50:48 PM »
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There are actually a good number of lies the radical activists who choose to engage in personal homosexual behavior have been telling people for a while.

And I separate the activists from the average person minding their own business (but who still chooses to engage in the same behavior), because I think the difference between the two groups is notable.

I know a number of strongly decent individuals who have made the choice to engage in the behavior but who have REJECTED the rampant, animalistic, absurdity that we've seen in California since the election. But the goons and thugs on television news screens are just shameful.

They are also dishonest.

They preach "tolerance" for people who are different "than you." But they don't really desire that. Tolerance means that we can live on the same block and agree to disagree, but treat each other with respect. The animals at the protests in California are not capable of either agreeing to disagree, nor or they capable of treating those who are DIFFERENT than them with any modicum of respect.

But they are dishonest in other ways as well, especially in the messaging of what they are about. They continue to insist that they will not be given "equal rights" until they are allowed to "get married."

This is a patently gross lie on two counts.

1. They are as "equally" capable of getting married as every other person on the planet. Marriage is the sanctified sexual union of a man and a woman. If they chose to find a man (if they were a woman) or a woman (if they were a man) they would be free to enter into marriage with said individual. The law makes no distinction against them because they choose to enjoy sex with someone like themselves. They are still free to, permitted, and welcomed to marry. Remember: Marriage IS the sanctified union of a man and a woman.

2. The other part of their great lie is that they are being denied any sort of fundamental rights. First off marriage is not a right, it is a responsibility, and one that is limited by government for its own health. Although the sex radicals of our day would like there not to be limits on it, the U.S. does regulate it--mostly for the purpose of producing healthy offspring and thus further the existence of the nation by giving birth to the next generation. But aside from marriage not being a "right" they are still dishonest on being "DENIED" anything. They are with the power of any attorney and the will of two individuals enter into ANY contractual agreement their minds can produce. They can dictate hospital visitation, inheritance, living arrangements, financial responsibility, terms of the relationship, etc. They can even in such a contract get really funky and allow third or fourth party members to be added, dictate the rotation of who sleeps with who, who feeds dog, who does the cooking, and who pays the bills. In short - the construction of a contract is already allowable and is limited only by the "imagination" of the two parties involved...
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Re: Prop 8 h8te: The great GAY lie!
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2008, 06:58:23 PM »
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I'm still waiting for them to tell me what "rights" I have via my marriage license that they can't get.
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Re: Prop 8 h8te: The great GAY lie!
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2008, 07:41:52 PM »
Marriage is not a right, last time I checked. Marriage is serious business and a lifetime commitment. The radical gays are just as dangerous as Al-Qaeda.
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Re: Prop 8 h8te: The great GAY lie!
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2008, 07:42:56 PM »
Quote from: DixieBelle on November 13, 2008, 06:58:23 PM
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I'm still waiting for them to tell me what "rights" I have via my marriage license that they can't get.

I can tell you at least one...you have the "right" to lose half the assets you brought into the marriage, if you're a Kansas resident.  Your spouse's ex would have the right to take his/her half upon his/her death for the support of his/her children...even if all the assets belonged to you before the wedding.

My daughter had some money left her when her father died.  If she marries, even WITH a pre-nup, there is a good chance the courts in Kansas will decide that, in the case of a divorce, her spouse "earned" the right to half of her father's estate simply by signing his name on the license.  In fact, since Kansas recognizes common law marriage, he may "earn" the right to half of it if she just lives with him.  It doesn't even require a specific length of time.

What they really want is something we can never give them...the reassurance that they're "normal."  No matter how much they demand, we have no power to fill that empty space inside each one.
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Re: Prop 8 h8te: The great GAY lie!
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2008, 08:38:29 PM »
Quote from: DixieBelle on November 13, 2008, 06:58:23 PM
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I'm still waiting for them to tell me what "rights" I have via my marriage license that they can't get.

Gays say it's about rights, but they could get those through legal means.  It's not about rights, it's about forced acceptance of their chosen lifestyle.
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Re: Prop 8 h8te: The great GAY lie!
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2008, 08:40:18 PM »
H5 for your article, MrsSmith.
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Re: Prop 8 h8te: The great GAY lie!
« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2008, 08:47:02 PM »
Quote from: MrsSmith on November 13, 2008, 07:42:56 PM
I can tell you at least one...you have the "right" to lose half the assets you brought into the marriage, if you're a Kansas resident.  Your spouse's ex would have the right to take his/her half upon his/her death for the support of his/her children...even if all the assets belonged to you before the wedding.

My daughter had some money left her when her father died.  If she marries, even WITH a pre-nup, there is a good chance the courts in Kansas will decide that, in the case of a divorce, her spouse "earned" the right to half of her father's estate simply by signing his name on the license.  In fact, since Kansas recognizes common law marriage, he may "earn" the right to half of it if she just lives with him.  It doesn't even require a specific length of time.

What they really want is something we can never give them...the reassurance that they're "normal."  No matter how much they demand, we have no power to fill that empty space inside each one.
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Re: Prop 8 h8te: The great GAY lie!
« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2008, 08:55:30 PM »
Quote from: CactusCarlos on November 13, 2008, 08:40:18 PM
H5 for your article, MrsSmith.
I love Townhall.  With very few exceptions, it has some great columnists.
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Re: Prop 8 h8te: The great GAY lie!
« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2008, 10:26:04 PM »
Quote from: Ptarmigan on November 13, 2008, 07:41:52 PM
Marriage is serious business and a lifetime commitment.

Not anymore, it isn't.......
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Re: Prop 8 h8te: The great GAY lie!
« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2008, 10:45:37 PM »
I also heard, and I could be wrong, that California law already grants to same sex civil unions the same legal rights of heterosexual unions.  If that is the case, then the only think they're fighting for is the name.  That tells me that it's not about rights, but recognition of a chosen lifestyle. 
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Re: Prop 8 h8te: The great GAY lie!
« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2008, 10:47:37 PM »
Quote from: CharlesD on November 13, 2008, 10:45:37 PM
  That tells me that it's not about rights, but recognition of a chosen lifestyle. 

I have been saying that for years.  Plus they don't want mere recognition they want out right approval.
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Re: Prop 8 h8te: The great GAY lie!
« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2008, 10:50:37 PM »
Quote from: CharlesD on November 13, 2008, 10:45:37 PM
I also heard, and I could be wrong, that California law already grants to same sex civil unions the same legal rights of heterosexual unions.  If that is the case, then the only think they're fighting for is the name.  That tells me that it's not about rights, but recognition of a chosen lifestyle. 

let them start paying the tax penalty for marriage, alimony, and find out what it's like to be on the wrong end of some of these draconian domestic violence laws and they will change their tune.
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Re: Prop 8 h8te: The great GAY lie!
« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2008, 10:54:32 PM »
Quote from: rich_t on November 13, 2008, 10:47:37 PM
I have been saying that for years.  Plus they don't want mere recognition they want out right approval.
They don't care if we approve really, that just want to force us into silence using government fiat.  I am rapidly wondering if a "tolerant" democracy isn't the worst tyranny man could create for himself.
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Re: Prop 8 h8te: The great GAY lie!
« Reply #13 on: November 13, 2008, 10:56:09 PM »
Quote from: Thor on November 13, 2008, 10:26:04 PM
Not anymore, it isn't.......

Sadly, you are right.
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Re: Prop 8 h8te: The great GAY lie!
« Reply #14 on: November 13, 2008, 11:03:14 PM »
Quote from: Vagabond on November 13, 2008, 10:54:32 PM
They don't care if we approve really, that just want to force us into silence using government fiat.  I am rapidly wondering if a "tolerant" democracy isn't the worst tyranny man could create for himself.

Of course they want approval.  What do you think all those heinous gay pride parades are about?  But since they know they will never get the level of approval that they desire, they will try to force us into silence by using government fiat if they can.
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Re: Prop 8 h8te: The great GAY lie!
« Reply #15 on: November 14, 2008, 04:24:14 PM »
Quote from: Vagabond on November 13, 2008, 10:54:32 PM
They don't care if we approve really, that just want to force us into silence using government fiat.  I am rapidly wondering if a "tolerant" democracy isn't the worst tyranny man could create for himself.
A tolerant democracy is what we have.  What they want is a country that is intolerant to the majority...especially those that have Christian beliefs.  There is NO tolerance in their stance at all.
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Re: Prop 8 h8te: The great GAY lie!
« Reply #16 on: November 14, 2008, 06:49:54 PM »
Ever since Prop 8 has passed, the Obama euphoria has all but disappeared. They seemed to be more riled up with this, which put its above Obama's win. They are addicted to victimhood.
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Re: Prop 8 h8te: The great GAY lie!
« Reply #17 on: November 14, 2008, 08:50:46 PM »
Quote from: CharlesD on November 13, 2008, 10:45:37 PM
I also heard, and I could be wrong, that California law already grants to same sex civil unions the same legal rights of heterosexual unions.  If that is the case, then the only think they're fighting for is the name.  That tells me that it's not about rights, but recognition of a chosen lifestyle. 




What they want is Social Security and Medicare spousal/survivor benefits which ciivil unions won't provide.  Secondary to that is automatic and one fell swoop access to health insurance.

Did anyone ever hear a peep about same sex marriage before Aids ?
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Re: Prop 8 h8te: The great GAY lie!
« Reply #18 on: November 14, 2008, 08:53:16 PM »
Quote from: Ptarmigan on November 14, 2008, 06:49:54 PM
Ever since Prop 8 has passed, the Obama euphoria has all but disappeared. They seemed to be more riled up with this, which put its above Obama's win. They are addicted to victimhood.

You are so right, ptarmigan. I mentioned it in a few posts the day after the election. My lib friends were more upset with the passing of Prop 102 (Arizona's marriage amendment) than they were happy with Obama's win.

It really does take considerable talent to be that unhappy all of the time. It's kind of amusing.
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Re: Prop 8 h8te: The great GAY lie!
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There are actually a good number of lies the radical activists who choose to engage in personal homosexual behavior have been telling people for a while.

And I separate the activists from the average person minding their own business (but who still chooses to engage in the same behavior), because I think the difference between the two groups is notable.

I know a number of strongly decent individuals who have made the choice to engage in the behavior but who have REJECTED the rampant, animalistic, absurdity that we've seen in California since the election. But the goons and thugs on television news screens are just shameful.

They are also dishonest.

They preach "tolerance" for people who are different "than you." But they don't really desire that. Tolerance means that we can live on the same block and agree to disagree, but treat each other with respect. The animals at the protests in California are not capable of either agreeing to disagree, nor or they capable of treating those who are DIFFERENT than them with any modicum of respect.

Cue Fred Phelps....
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Re: Prop 8 h8te: The great GAY lie!
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Re: Prop 8 h8te: The great GAY lie!
« Reply #21 on: November 15, 2008, 11:05:51 AM »
Quote from: PatriotGame on November 15, 2008, 03:06:58 AM
Cue Fred Phelps....
Phelps will probably go protest the church involved...since they didn't press charges, they are obviously on the GLBT side.  (ever wonder if Phelp's real purpose is to assist the gays by being so nasty?  If he didn't exist, they'd have no "hatred" to point at.  He is doing far more for the GLBT side than all their court cases.)
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Re: Prop 8 h8te: The great GAY lie!
« Reply #22 on: November 15, 2008, 02:11:39 PM »
Quote from: MrsSmith on November 15, 2008, 11:05:51 AM
Phelps will probably go protest the church involved...since they didn't press charges, they are obviously on the GLBT side.  (ever wonder if Phelp's real purpose is to assist the gays by being so nasty?  If he didn't exist, they'd have no "hatred" to point at.  He is doing far more for the GLBT side than all their court cases.)

Very good point!
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Re: Prop 8 h8te: The great GAY lie!
« Reply #23 on: November 15, 2008, 06:43:09 PM »
Quote from: MrsSmith on November 15, 2008, 11:05:51 AM
Phelps will probably go protest the church involved...since they didn't press charges, they are obviously on the GLBT side.  (ever wonder if Phelp's real purpose is to assist the gays by being so nasty?  If he didn't exist, they'd have no "hatred" to point at.  He is doing far more for the GLBT side than all their court cases.)

Phelps is anti-Mormon as much as he is anti-gay. Back than he was rabidly anti-Mormon and anti-Catholic. He caused a riot in Utah as a missionary for Bob Jones University, which later told him to leave. Notice that radical gays do not protest WBC and Fred Phelps. It is usually ordinary citizens, Christians, Patriot Guard Riders, and believe it or not, the KKK. Many White supremacist groups and fringe groups despise Fred Phelps and WBC.

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Re: Prop 8 h8te: The great GAY lie!
« Reply #24 on: November 15, 2008, 06:49:28 PM »
Quote from: jendf on November 14, 2008, 08:53:16 PM
You are so right, ptarmigan. I mentioned it in a few posts the day after the election. My lib friends were more upset with the passing of Prop 102 (Arizona's marriage amendment) than they were happy with Obama's win.

It really does take considerable talent to be that unhappy all of the time. It's kind of amusing.

Same here. Strangely they were upset with Prop 8 and not all lived in California.
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