My communist manifesto

[EagleKeeper]

Nope. I'm saying I want to see more cooperatives in our economy and fewer McDonalds and Walmarts.

Then please start one, I urge you to do it, it will be the best economic lesson you could possibly get.

I wish in one hand and shit in the other and wait to see which one fills up first.

[J P Sousa]

Hi oFrosty,

So you know where I'm coming from here are a few facts about me;

I was raised by a father who belonged to the United Steelworkers Union and voted democrat his entire life.
He was always ranting against Republicans and how they were against the "worker". When I was of age I registered and voted democrat for a few years. I became very interested in politics and researched both parties. I became a Republican and even ran for office. At this time I consider myself a "conservative" rather than a Republican because even they have become part of the problem.

You oFrosty, remind me of my brother in law who was the only one of my wifes four brothers to be able to go to college. My wife and her other brothers all started their own business. The one who went to college now does manual labor jobs, and asks for money from the others siblings.  

To explore for the sake of wonder, curiosity, personal-growth, and passion. I'm into physics and political economy.

I don't care about being hirable – working for someone is not the only way to contribute to society. I care about being a better human.

After college, I want to start an organization to help start more self-reliant, cooperative communities. But that dream's still evolving.

This is EXACTLY what my brother in law who went to college was about. He was a member of a commune for a period of time and followed one of those "off the wall" religions from the far east. And did I mention he asks for money from the rest of the family ?

Welcome BTW.

[oFrosty]

Then please start one, I urge you to do it, it will be the best economic lesson you could possibly get.

You should check out the Evergreen Cooperatives in Cleveland.

[EagleKeeper]

You should check out the Evergreen Cooperatives in Cleveland.

I took your advice and did.

The Evergreen Cooperatives of Cleveland, Ohio are pioneering innovative models of job creation, wealth building, and sustainability. Evergreen’s employee-owned, for-profit companies are based locally and hire locally. They create meaningful green jobs and keep precious financial resources within the Greater University Circle neighborhoods. Worker-owners at Evergreen earn a living wage and build equity in the firms as owners of the business.

Guess what, it's for profit, ain't that odd?

You start a business and make money, that's the way it's supposed to work. You want to start a business making solar panels? Good for you, go make it work.

[oFrosty]

I took your advice and did.

Guess what, it's for profit, ain't that odd?

You start a business and make money, that's the way it's supposed to work. You want to start a business making solar panels? Good for you, go make it work.

Yeah! It's for-profit. Cooperatives can be for-profit. The point is that they are employee owned and democratically managed.

[EagleKeeper]

Yeah! It's for-profit. Cooperatives can be for-profit. The point is that they are employee owned and democratically managed.

And for profit. Guess what happens if they don't make a profit no matter how idealistic it might be?

[Dori]

And for profit. Guess what happens if they don't make a profit no matter how idealistic it might be?

What are the stats on that?  Something like only one in ten new ventures make it, or at least suffer several years of losses before making a profit. 

Hope he brings a lot of capital into this project to get it off the ground. 

[marv]

Yeah! It's for-profit. Cooperatives can be for-profit. The point is that they are employee owned and democratically managed.

...and what does that bring to the table? Employee ownership, in and of itself, is nothing. Is Evergreen Cooperatives of Cleveland a firm example of one? Or is it the management, the leadership, visions and ideas, that brings success however the means?

[oFrosty]

And for profit. Guess what happens if they don't make a profit no matter how idealistic it might be?

The same thing that companies do when they fail — adapt, be creative.

[EagleKeeper]

The same thing that companies do when they fail — adapt, be creative.

Really?

Now your not being serious.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Yeah! It's for-profit. Cooperatives can be for-profit. The point is that they are employee owned and democratically managed.

And guess what...

...whatever success or failure they endure will be provided by a FREE MARKET SYSTEM THAT ENCOURAGES COMPETITION.

Communists, however, have cracked 100 million eggs without cooking 1 ******* omelet.

Our system has room for you dumbass ideas. If they work, you'll be rewarded. If they fail it will be for no reason except your idea wasn't the best.

Communism would criminalize, imprison and more than likely kill everyone that refused to play along. It stifles competition with a gun. It murders everyone more successful than it.

[JohnnyReb]

And guess what...

...whatever success or failure they endure will be provided by a FREE MARKET SYSTEM THAT ENCOURAGES COMPETITION.

Communists, however, have cracked 100 million eggs without cooking 1 ******* omelet.

Our system has room for you dumbass ideas. If they work, you'll be rewarded. If they fail it will be for no reason except your idea wasn't the best.

Communism would criminalize, imprison and more than likely kill everyone that refused to play along. It stifles competition with a gun. It murders everyone more successful than it.

After it has taken the workers gun.

[Freeper]

To explore for the sake of wonder, curiosity, personal-growth, and passion. I'm into physics and political economy.

I don't care about being hirable – working for someone is not the only way to contribute to society. I care about being a better human.

After college, I want to start an organization to help start more self-reliant, cooperative communities. But that dream's still evolving.

Here's a hint kid, going to school to make yourself a better person doesn't pay the bills. You need to care about being "hirable"  if you want to make it in this world.

[Chris_]

How much does it cost to "make yourself a better person" when they charge you by the credit hour?

[thundley4]

How much does it cost to "make yourself a better person" when they charge you by the credit hour?

When you get a degree in things that interest you but won't support you and then you default on the loans, it doesn't cost you anything.

[Toastedturningtidelegs]

To explore for the sake of wonder, curiosity, personal-growth, and passion. I'm into physics and political economy.

I don't care about being hirable – working for someone is not the only way to contribute to society. I care about being a better human.

After college, I want to start an organization to help start more self-reliant, cooperative communities. But that dream's still evolving.

So you're about 20? 21? You sound like my oldest son. He's finding out the hard way the world doesn't work the way his profs tell him it does! Its ok to have the world view you have at your  age. I think we all did. The problem is reality sets in by 30! I wish you luck because you sound like a smart kid. Just a bit naive i'm afraid. It's startling to me that you believe a college education=being a "better" person. Your charactor  is something you are supposed to learn at home or through your faith if you have one.

[Karin]

So you're about 20? 21? You sound like my oldest son. He's finding out the hard way the world doesn't work the way his profs tell him it does! Its ok to have the world view you have at your  age. I think we all did. The problem is reality sets in by 30!

Exactly what my stepson, pushing 30, is right up against. 

This "democratically managed" company/whatever piqued my curiosity.  (I don't know if Frosty's coming back).  What does that look like?  Can everybody vote on the accounting treatment of a transaction, and the majority votes to book an unethical item?  Everybody votes on design decisions, while the engineers cringe at the stupidity of it all?  The balance sheet goes to hell and nobody notices because the most charasmatic member got voted CFO?  Everyone votes to knock off on Fridays at approximatly Thursday lunchtime? 

Oy.

[Big Dog]

Exactly what my stepson, pushing 30, is right up against. 

This "democratically managed" company/whatever piqued my curiosity.  (I don't know if Frosty's coming back).  What does that look like?  Can everybody vote on the accounting treatment of a transaction, and the majority votes to book an unethical item?  Everybody votes on design decisions, while the engineers cringe at the stupidity of it all?  The balance sheet goes to hell and nobody notices because the most charasmatic member got voted CFO?  Everyone votes to knock off on Fridays at approximatly Thursday lunchtime? 

Oy.

Who knew we were talking to Dennis, the Anarcho-Syndicalist Peasant?

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvKIWjnEPNY[/youtube]

[Toastedturningtidelegs]

Who knew we were talking to Dennis, the Anarcho-Syndicalist Peasant?

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvKIWjnEPNY[/youtube]

God I love that movie! "How do you know he was a king?" "He doesn't have shit all over him!"

[Duke Nukum]

Nope. I'm saying I want to see more cooperatives in our economy and fewer McDonalds and Walmarts.

Great. Just don't stop people who want WalMart and McDonalds.

Because sound an awful lot like that Noodles socialist, Rob Lewis of Madison WI who whined that Noodles & Co didn't let the 'workers' cook what they wanted.

Socialism makes people stupid. Really stupid.  And then either the mass murdered or the mass murderers.

[Rebel]

I don't believe the capitalist mode of production is the ultimate answer to how we organize our economy. I want to see the same democratization of government take place in workplaces.

See ya on the battlefield, you Commie prick.

[CG6468]

Why are you folks bothering with this troll?

[Eupher]

Why are you folks bothering with this troll?

Boredom?

I was just thinking this guy, with a screen name like "ofrosty" is really a vanilla milk shake that's come in from the cold. He went away after he melted to a sugary goo.

[EagleKeeper]

Why are you folks bothering with this troll?

Because I can't go on their websites to challenge them since I get the ban hammer.

When they come here I sometimes find it hard to resist.

[Splashdown]

Why are you folks bothering with this troll?

Maybe he'll learn something?