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Severed fingers of 5 hostages held in Iraq delivered to U.S.
« on: March 12, 2008, 02:37:48 PM »
I give a warning now to the language I will be using in this thread as this pisses me the hell off more than many, many things

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BurtWorm  (1000+ posts)       Wed Mar-12-08 02:42 PM
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Severed fingers of 5 hostages held in Iraq delivered to U.S. 
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By Hannah Allam | McClatchy Newspapers


BAGHDAD — U.S. authorities in Baghdad have received five severed fingers belonging to four Americans and an Austrian who were taken hostage more than a year ago in Iraq, officials here said today.

The FBI is investigating the grisly development, and the families of the five kidnapped contractors have been notified, American officials said on condition of anonymity because only Washington officials are permitted to publicly discuss the matter.

Authorities have confirmed that the fingers belonged to hostages Jonathan Cote, of Gainesville, Fla., Joshua Munz, of Redding, Calif., Paul Reuben, of Buffalo, Minn., Bert Nussbaumer of Vienna, Austria, and Ronald J. Withrow, of Lubbock, Texas.

The first four men were security contractors with Kuwait-based Crescent Security and were captured in a brazen ambush of their 43-truck supply convoy in the southern Iraqi town of Safwa, near the Kuwaiti border, on Nov. 16, 2006.

There was no word today on a fifth contractor who was seized with them, John Young, of Kansas City. Contrary to Austrian news reports, none of the fingers belonged to him, authorities said.

The Crescent contractors appeared in two hostage videos released in December 2006 and January 2007 in which they pleaded for the United States to withdraw troops from Iraq and to free all Iraqi prisoners. In the videos, they appeared in good condition and stated that they were being treated well....

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madokie  (1000+ posts)      Wed Mar-12-08 02:50 PM
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1. and this is only the beginning of what is going to happen to these men
 more than likely thanks to torture in chief bush


You are a stupid muther****ing ****wad

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alyce douglas  (1000+ posts)     Wed Mar-12-08 02:59 PM
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5. again we if are doing torture to them they will do it to us.
 these thugs have to held accountable after watching Taxi to the Darkside, we are the enemies.
 

IS there any ****ing rational thought in that tiny pea sized dumbass brain of your's :bird:

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kineta  (1000+ posts)      Wed Mar-12-08 02:56 PM
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2. Security Contractor - that means 'Mercenary', right?
 Like Blackwater?

 
 :bird: **** you

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vpilot  (1000+ posts)      Wed Mar-12-08 02:58 PM
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3. Gives new meaning to the 
 phrase "giving someone the finger"!

 :bird: You are one sick mother****er

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seemslikeadream  (1000+ posts)       Wed Mar-12-08 02:59 PM
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4. I almost started feeling bad.........
 contractors? nice name for mercenaries


You ****ing shitbag  :bird: :bird: :bird: :bird: :foff: :redbird: :foff:
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Re: Severed fingers of 5 hostages held in Iraq delivered to U.S.
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2008, 02:39:20 PM »
Yeah, I can't even touch those comments with a ten foot pole.

Asshats.
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Re: Severed fingers of 5 hostages held in Iraq delivered to U.S.
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2008, 02:43:04 PM »
Would one expect anything less than shit from primitives?

That's all primitives can produce, is shit.
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Re: Severed fingers of 5 hostages held in Iraq delivered to U.S.
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2008, 02:50:35 PM »
These ****ing dumbasses don't even know what a Damn contractor is, much less what they do.
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Re: Severed fingers of 5 hostages held in Iraq delivered to U.S.
« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2008, 02:57:18 PM »
I would love to see the reaction if it was a "human shield" instead of a "contractor".
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Re: Severed fingers of 5 hostages held in Iraq delivered to U.S.
« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2008, 03:11:37 PM »
You see ,this is all the more reason for our side to stop predending that we have to give terrorist Geneva Convention coverage as if they were the same as uniformed troops. Catch them in battle ,put a damn bullet in their skulls.
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Re: Severed fingers of 5 hostages held in Iraq delivered to U.S.
« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2008, 03:12:41 PM »
Quote from: Airwolf on March 12, 2008, 03:11:37 PM
You see ,this is all the more reason for our side to stop predending that we have to give terrorist Geneva Convention coverage as if they were the same as uniformed troops. Catch them in battle ,put a damn bullet in their skulls.
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Re: Severed fingers of 5 hostages held in Iraq delivered to U.S.
« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2008, 03:13:09 PM »
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I have never seen a group of alleged Americans take such glee and delight in the death and dismemberment of their fellow citizens and cheer so loudly for the people harming us.
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Re: Severed fingers of 5 hostages held in Iraq delivered to U.S.
« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2008, 03:17:01 PM »
Quote from: Airwolf on March 12, 2008, 03:11:37 PM
You see ,this is all the more reason for our side to stop predending that we have to give terrorist Geneva Convention coverage as if they were the same as uniformed troops. Catch them in battle ,put a damn bullet in their skulls.

I'd only add that starting immediately, start dipping all ammunition in pig's blood and publicize the hell out of it.  See how fast the opposition starts behaving better.
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Re: Severed fingers of 5 hostages held in Iraq delivered to U.S.
« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2008, 03:26:15 PM »
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nadinbrzezinski  (1000+ posts)       Wed Mar-12-08 04:06 PM
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14. Under international law, to repeat myself
 they can be taken to a nearby, convenient wall, and shot by firing squad. Or if you want to save ammo, die in many other creative ways.

That is the fate of Mercs.

I have no sympathy for them, at that level

As human beings they should have never joined as mercs, and they should be home

But they have NO PROTECTIONS. So getting their fingers cut is part of that NO PROTECTION
 
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15. You get what ya get when ya kill for money

You lowlife mother****ers.
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Re: Severed fingers of 5 hostages held in Iraq delivered to U.S.
« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2008, 03:28:16 PM »
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seemslikeadream  (1000+ posts)       Wed Mar-12-08 04:09 PM
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15. You get what ya get when ya kill for money

Gettin very close to the point where I'd kill for free......
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Re: Severed fingers of 5 hostages held in Iraq delivered to U.S.
« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2008, 03:36:44 PM »
Contractors are:

Food service workers
Aid workers
Social workers
Water treatment specialists
I.T. technicians
Telecommunications technicians
Truck drivers
Medical technicians

Again, you DUmproaches are ****ing clueless. These people are there helping get the country up and running so it provides for a better life for the Iraqi citizen.

Yes, DJ, I could, as this point, very easily put a bullet between the ****ing eyes of half of those fools at DU right now.

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Re: Severed fingers of 5 hostages held in Iraq delivered to U.S.
« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2008, 03:56:49 PM »
Oh, if only B*sh hadn't vetoed the torture ban!!!

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Re: Severed fingers of 5 hostages held in Iraq delivered to U.S.
« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2008, 04:01:36 PM »
They are nothing but worthless windbags that don't deserve to breathe oxygen.

They make me sick.
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Re: Severed fingers of 5 hostages held in Iraq delivered to U.S.
« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2008, 04:04:17 PM »
I didn't think I could think any less of DU'ers....until now.
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Re: Severed fingers of 5 hostages held in Iraq delivered to U.S.
« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2008, 04:13:10 PM »
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alyce douglas  (1000+ posts)     Wed Mar-12-08 02:59 PM
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5. again we if are doing torture to them they will do it to us.
 these thugs have to held accountable after watching Taxi to the Darkside, we are the enemies.

also and for they strap suicide bombs to the mentally handicapped like you alyce.
  who you cheer for if are the real enemy, my best to type your language you dumbsh*t.


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Re: Severed fingers of 5 hostages held in Iraq delivered to U.S.
« Reply #16 on: March 12, 2008, 04:38:38 PM »
I try very hard to not wish evil on anybody but these people are not even human.  :censored:
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« Reply #17 on: March 12, 2008, 04:40:33 PM »
Quote from: Carl on March 12, 2008, 04:38:38 PM
I try very hard to not wish evil on anybody but these people are not even human.  :censored:


Carl, God has ways of evening the score.  The best part is, we have to do nothing. :-)
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Re: Severed fingers of 5 hostages held in Iraq delivered to U.S.
« Reply #18 on: March 12, 2008, 04:45:44 PM »
Quote from: Muddyemms on March 12, 2008, 04:40:33 PM
Quote from: Carl on March 12, 2008, 04:38:38 PM
I try very hard to not wish evil on anybody but these people are not even human.  :censored:


Carl, God has ways of evening the score.  The best part is, we have to do nothing. :-)

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Re: Severed fingers of 5 hostages held in Iraq delivered to U.S.
« Reply #19 on: March 12, 2008, 07:12:30 PM »
DUmembers are as cold and hateful as the islamists. The only difference between them is that the islamists follow a religion and act upon their hate.  :censored:
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« Reply #20 on: March 12, 2008, 07:15:10 PM »
Quote from: BEG on March 12, 2008, 04:04:17 PM
I didn't think I could think any less of DU'ers....until now.

They were always cold and hateful.
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« Reply #21 on: March 12, 2008, 07:55:06 PM »
Quote from: TheSarge on March 12, 2008, 03:13:09 PM
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I have never seen a group of alleged Americans take such glee and delight in the death and dismemberment of their fellow citizens and cheer so loudly for the people harming us.

I've long since stopped questioning the DUmmies' patriotism.  Now I question their humanity.


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Re: Severed fingers of 5 hostages held in Iraq delivered to U.S.
« Reply #22 on: March 12, 2008, 07:57:22 PM »
Quote from: Attero Dominatus on March 12, 2008, 07:12:30 PM
DUmembers are as cold and hateful as the islamists. The only difference between them is that the islamists follow a religion and act upon their hate.  :censored:

Liberalism is their religion.
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« Reply #23 on: March 12, 2008, 08:04:18 PM »
Quote from: LadyLiberty on March 12, 2008, 07:57:22 PM
Quote from: Attero Dominatus on March 12, 2008, 07:12:30 PM
DUmembers are as cold and hateful as the islamists. The only difference between them is that the islamists follow a religion and act upon their hate.  :censored:

Liberalism is their religion.
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Re: Severed fingers of 5 hostages held in Iraq delivered to U.S.
« Reply #24 on: March 12, 2008, 08:09:16 PM »
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I work for workers (441 posts)      Wed Mar-12-08 05:11 PM
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22. Quite a few assholes on this thread. 
 Five people are getting tortured. None of us have any knowledge of what they did or didn't do. Stop and think before you post such offensive idiocy. 

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Lex Talionis (228 posts)      Wed Mar-12-08 05:29 PM
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24. Ah, a voice of reason. But, don't you understand?
 Their Mercs, they kill for money. Surly they deserve to be tortured for that alone?

I came to this place because some here made sense in what they would post, made me question myself sometimes. But alas, in the end most here are no different than those who consider themselves "enlightened" or "compassionate", and yet smirk when 5 fingers are mailed to the US forces, cause their just "Mercenaries killing for money."

Being OK with Mercenaries getting their fingers cut off, "because we do worse", is their excuse to say such things and feel good about themselves. I posted up above about this really nice lady who was killed for money in my town. These same "enlightened" and "compassionate" people will scream to the top of their lungs that it is cruel to execute the asshole who did that. Makes my head hurt trying to understand that kind of logic.

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I work for workers (441 posts)      Wed Mar-12-08 05:42 PM
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25. I seriously doubt anyone here is a "deadly merc",
 knows anyone who is, or gets their daily dose of merc news from anywhere but here. I like DU, but it's not exactly an unbiased source for anything Iraq related.

I'm sure that some people have done bad things in Iraq. I'm also sure that a vast majority of people there have not. I'm damned sure that I can't say why someone I've never met has decided to pursue the life they have, and I find it disgusting that people are cheerleading their fellow citizens getting horrifically tortured. 

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Lex Talionis (228 posts)      Wed Mar-12-08 06:10 PM
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27. And there you have it.
 "I find it disgusting that people are cheerleading their fellow citizens getting horrifically tortured."

These same "people" Will consider themselves ever so enlightened, compassionate and just, for standing up and denouncing the torture and execution of people who blow up a bunch of Iraqi children because the US marines are giving them candy. Using the excuse that "we do worse". Did not think anyone here would condemn this. We're both newbies though so maybe we'll come around.

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malaise  (1000+ posts)      Wed Mar-12-08 06:05 PM
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26. Do you have any idea how many innocent Iraqi women and
 children have been killed by these mercenaries. I don't give a flying fugg what happens to them. Money for blood gets no sympathy from me.

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I work for workers (441 posts)      Wed Mar-12-08 06:11 PM
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28. Do you?
 Can you give me a number? Can you give me a number of Iraqi's and Americans who are alive because of the work they do? Can you give me a the number of Iraqis and Americans these five guys have killed/saved?

No? 

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seemslikeadream  (1000+ posts)       Wed Mar-12-08 06:30 PM
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34. You are joking, right?

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Lex Talionis (228 posts)      Wed Mar-12-08 06:19 PM
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30. I agree with you. If you kill for money you should have your fingers
 cut off. If you kill innocent women and children you should be executed. I'll see you at the next execution here in America. Read my post above about the fine lady who was killed in my town for money. You will agree that the individual should be killed? Right? I guess you can argue semantics and all. I see no difference.

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superkia  (1000+ posts)      Wed Mar-12-08 08:20 PM
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48. You left out raped and tortured, thought I would throw it in.

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spoony  (1000+ posts)      Wed Mar-12-08 06:18 PM
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29. Exactly. There are a lot of truck drivers and skilled trades over there
 A lot of whom have suffered hard times here in the US and were probably hoping to do nothing more than provide for their families. Not oppress Iraqis. Not commit war crimes. Man people can be utter shit.

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Lex Talionis (228 posts)      Wed Mar-12-08 06:25 PM
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31. I know some. They tell what the MSM won't. But, everyone knows the
 MSM don't lie and reports in an unbiased way. yea that last part is sarcasm. On here most think your a Merc if you go there and deserve to have your fingers cut off. Don't want to hear about you needing a job.

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seemslikeadream  (1000+ posts)       Wed Mar-12-08 06:29 PM
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33. This is not just any job

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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts)       Wed Mar-12-08 06:55 PM
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35. My heart bleeds for these kill-for-the-highest-bidder mercenaries.
   Who would guess that mercenaries, who have been responsible for some of the worst atrocities against Iraqi civilians in Iraq, who are accountable to no-one (and who have been whisked away back to the States to prevent the Iraqi legal system from getting ahold of them) for their actions, and who make buckets of money for killing...well, whomever they please- who would guess that these types would wind up in such a shitty situation?

  They're just below baby fur seals on my "Must-save" list. About 48,000 places below.
 

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ohio2007 (1000+ posts)      Wed Mar-12-08 07:01 PM
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36. Did those hostages work for Haliburten?
 bet they understood the risk/reward ratio when they signed up that it may cost them more then an arm and a leg. The Iraqi police should be solving this case

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uppityperson  (1000+ posts)       Wed Mar-12-08 07:08 PM
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37. damn damn damn damn damn. My heart goes out to their families.

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scarletwoman  (1000+ posts)      Wed Mar-12-08 07:14 PM
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38. Wow. No compassion to spare on this thread.
 These guys were kidnapped while escorting a convoy of supply trucks coming out of Kuwait. They weren't in Baghdad shooting up civilians, they were just rolling down the highway and got grabbed when the convoy stopped at a phony checkpoint.

No one on this thread saying, "they're getting what they deserve" has any idea of whether any of these guys ever did anything heinous or not.

One of the group (Paul Reuben) is a fellow Minnesotan, I remember the local news coverge from when this first happened. He's a former cop with a family who took the job in Iraq because he wanted to make enough money to be able to buy a house. He had already had enough of the job and was planning on getting out that December -- the kidnapping happened in November before he had a chance.

Maybe he IS an asshole, but I don't think anyone on this thread has any way of knowing for sure. He's got a mother and siblings and a wife and kids all going through hell wondering if they'll ever see him alive again.

And btw, he was the medic for the security team.
 

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I work for workers (441 posts)      Wed Mar-12-08 07:21 PM
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39. Your post sums it up perfectly.

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madokie  (1000+ posts)      Wed Mar-12-08 07:29 PM
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42. wouldn't being there helping the carnage thats happening to the Iraqi at our hands
 be enough. just wondering
sorry but I see him as part of the problem not a part of the solution and when it comes to Iraq there is only those two.
nothing personal mind you, I'm just seeing if from a different prespective I guess. To remember the Iraqi did nothing to deserve this is all I ask

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scarletwoman  (1000+ posts)      Wed Mar-12-08 08:16 PM
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46. Yeah, they were escorting a supply convoy that wouldn't have been needed if we hadn't invaded.
 The trucks were carrying supplies for a military base. One might say, they were very literally "supporting the troops".

So how do we apportion the responsibility for the original evil of invading Iraq? What degree of culpability falls on the head of each participant? How far down the line should blame be placed? What of the people who work at the factories where the bombs and bullets are made? Are they not also aiding and abetting the war machine with their labor? Are they not also "part of the problem"?

What about we who pay taxes? We have been funding the war machine with our money for decades -- even if China is funding it now (until they call in their chits from our grandchildren).

There are plenty of evil people doing evil things. But there are also not particularly evil people who stupidly/naively/greedily thought they might have a shot at improving their personal finances by taking a risky job in a war zone so that they could afford to buy a house.

Where is the line? I'd like to think that I'd never accept a job at a weapons factory. But if it were the only opportunity I'd have at making a living in my hometown, would I really refuse out of conscience if I had a family to support?

It seems to me that we need to think about our own culpability before we make sweeping judgements about the fault of others.
 

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uppityperson  (1000+ posts)       Wed Mar-12-08 08:24 PM
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49. Thank you.
 Reading down the replies earlier was making me sick. So I posted only what I could right before you posted this. Thank you. A brother of a friend got killed doing this and no, I didn't consider him a merc who deserved it. He was a guy trying to make enough to get out of debt and yes, we all are complicit. Easier to diss these guys than hold up our own responsibility and guilt. 

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scarletwoman  (1000+ posts)      Wed Mar-12-08 08:33 PM
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50. No, thank YOU! I saw your post and it was such a relief to know that someone else was seeing it 
 from a different angle than most of the other posts on this thread.

I was feeling pretty sick, too.
 
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