kpete (1000+ posts) Fri Apr-18-08 11:30 PM
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Bushco's Torturers: "You Could Almost See Their Dicks Getting Hard As They Got New Ideas"
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It was the young officials at Guantánamo who dreamed up a list of new aggressive interrogation techniques, inspired by Jack Bauer from the TV series, 24. But it was the politicians and lawyers in Washington who set the ball rolling. Philippe Sands follows the torture trail right to the top
Philippe Sands
The Guardian, Saturday April 19 2008
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Finally came Category III. These methods were to be used for only a very small percentage of detainees - the most uncooperative (said to be fewer than 3%) and exceptionally resistant individuals - and required approval by the commanding general at Guantánamo. In this category were four techniques: the use of "mild, non-injurious physical contact", such as grabbing, poking and light pushing; the use of scenarios designed to convince the detainee that death or severely painful consequences were imminent for him or his family; exposure to cold weather or water; and, finally, the use of a wet towel and dripping water to induce the misperception of suffocation. This last technique came to be known as water-boarding, described on a chat show by the vice-president, Dick Cheney, as a "dunk in the water" and a "no-brainer" if it could save lives.
The Haynes memo recommended "blanket approval" of 15 of the 18 techniques, including just one of the four techniques listed in Category III: mild, non-injurious physical contact. However, he did not reject the others, nor did he advise that they were contrary to the Geneva conventions. Rumsfeld signed his name next to the word "Approved", and added his comment at the bottom of the page: "I stand for eight to 10 hours a day. Why is standing limited to four hours?" Under Beaver's guidance, a list of ideas slowly emerged. Potential techniques included taking the detainees out of their usual environment, so they didn't know where they were or where they were going; the use of hoods and goggles; the use of sexual tension, which was "culturally taboo, disrespectful, humiliating and potentially unexpected"; creating psychological drama. Beaver recalled that smothering was thought to be particularly effective, and that Dunlavey, who'd been in Vietnam, was in favour because he knew it worked.
The younger men would get particularly agitated, excited even: "You could almost see their dicks getting hard as they got new ideas." A wan smile crossed Beaver's face. "And I said to myself, you know what, I don't have a dick to get hard. I can stay detached."
Beaver confirmed what Dunlavey had told me, that a delegation of senior lawyers came down to Guantánamo well before the list of techniques was sent up to Washington. They talked to the intelligence people, they even watched some interrogations. The message from the visitors was that they should do "whatever needed to be done", meaning a green light from the very top - from the lawyers for Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and the CIA.
more at:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/apr/19/humanrights...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3178683I still have to wonder, with all the horrific, meaningless, random suffering that goes on in the world, why are DUmmies so concerned about the discomfort of a bunch of murdererous thugs who would make the deaths of liberals a
priority if given the chance?
sakabatou (1000+ posts) Sat Apr-19-08 12:02 AM
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2. Where are the arrests? Where are the sentences?
Where's the illegality? Where are the charges?
Hubert Flottz (1000+ posts) Sat Apr-19-08 05:16 AM
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14. I'm glad the truth is starting to leak out.
How are these people different from the GESTAPO?
"WE" have become "THEM" thanks to the GOPstapo...
Well, for one thing the Gestapo persecuted Germany's own citizenry, and merely for dissenting. If we had an American Gestapo, there wouldn't be a DU, and all of it's former members would have succumbed to a pistol shot behind the ear.
truth2power (1000+ posts) Sat Apr-19-08 11:45 AM
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25. Sexual sadism. Necrophilia. It's much worse than we can even imagine...
Necrophilia? WTF?
I think t2p may be projecting just a tad.
