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Current Events => Breaking News => Topic started by: Ptarmigan on May 24, 2022, 09:04:41 PM
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BREAKING: Mass shooting at Texas elementary school, multiple children, 2 adults dead, multiple injuries
https://thepostmillennial.com/breaking-mass-shooting-at-texas-elementary-school-two-children-dead-multiple-injuries
UPDATE: Eva Mireles, a fourth grade teacher at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, has been the first victim identified in the mass shooting at the school.
UPDATE: According to Fox News, the death toll has risen to at least 18 children and two adults.
UPDATE: According to the Daily Mail, Ramos messaged a girl he knew on instagram before the attack. "Be grateful I tagged you" Salvador Ramos told her. "No it's just scary fr," the girl responded. "How," said the shooter suspect. "i barely know you and u tag me in a picture with some guns." After the shooting transpired, the girl added "he's a stranger i know nothing about him he decided to tag me in his gun post. i'm so sorry for the victims and their families i really don't know what to say." In the lead-up to the attack, Salavador Ramos reportedly told this person they were "about to" shoot up a school. "The only reason i responded to him was because i was afraid of him i wish i stayed awake to at least try to convince him to not commit his crime. I didn't know," added the girl.
The killer is identified as 18 year old Salvador Ramos.
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Uvalde, Texas school shooting leaves 19 children, 3 adults, including shooter dead
https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/uvalde-texas-school-shooting
Uvalde, Texas school shooting leaves 19 children, three adults, including shooter dead
The total number of dead from Tuesday's shooting at a Uvalde, Texas elementary school has increased to 22 victims.
The Texas Department of Public Safety told Fox News that 19 children were killed as well as two teachers were confirmed dead.
The other person killed was the suspected gunman, Salvador Ramos.
The death toll is now up to 22. :mad: :argh: :censored:
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Mass shooters like Ramos need to be unpersoned in news reports and spoken of as the rabid animals they are/were.
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It doesn't take long for the gun grabbers to start running their yaps.
In this case, the Golden State Warriors head coach, Steve Kerr, decided to show his ass after babbling his speech and flounced out of the presser.
I read an account earlier this morning that Dana Loesch did a great job in refuting Kerr's bullshit in just a few words, I think on Tucker's show. No link, though. Sorry.
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rumor: The kid was mentally disabled and was mad because he could not graduate. So a guy from the Area told the reporter yesterday.
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In this case, the Golden State Warriors head coach, Steve Kerr, decided to show his ass after babbling his speech and flounced out of the presser.
I read an account earlier this morning that Dana Loesch did a great job in refuting Kerr's bullshit in just a few words, I think on Tucker's show. No link, though. Sorry.
Typical Kerr. Given the amount of predatory behavior by professional athletes, Kerr, the NBA, and other sports leagues should clean out their own Augean Stables before worrying about neighbors' backyards. And maybe, figure out that parroting and acting out Woke-Prog talking-points loses customers.
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Picking bits and pieces from https://nypost.com/2022/05/24/what-we-know-so-far-about-salvador-ramos-the-suspected-texas-school-shooter/ :
Ramos’ friend Santos Valdez Jr., 18, said the two had been close, playing video games and basketball regularly, until his friend’s behavior began to “deteriorate,” The Washington Post reported.
At one point, he recounted, Ramos showed up at a park with scratch marks across his face and said he had been attacked by a cat.
“Then he told me the truth, that he’d cut up his face with knives over and over and over,” Valdez told the newspaper.
“I was like, ‘You’re crazy, bro, why would you do that?’” he said. Ramos told him it was just “for fun,” Valdez said.
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Valdez also described how Ramos used to drive around with another pal and shoot people at random with a BB gun — and also egged people’s cars.
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Friends and relatives also said Ramos had been bullied throughout middle school and junior high for a speech impediment – a stutter and lisp, according to the Washington Post.
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Nadia Reyes, a high school classmate, told the paper that Ramos recently posted an Instagram story of himself yelling at his mom, who he said was trying to kick him out of their home.
“He posted videos on his Instagram where the cops were there and he’d call his mom a b—- and say she wanted to kick him out,” she told the paper. “He’d be screaming and talking to his mom really aggressively.”
Ramos moved to his grandmother’s home across town a few months ago, according to neighbor Ruben Flores, 41, who said he last saw the grandmother Sunday when she stopped by the mom’s Hood Street property, which she also owned.
He told the Washington Post that she told him she was in the process of evicting Ramos’ mother because of her drug issues.
I guess Ramos wasn't the white male Fundie-gelical Pro-Lifer Progs need.
As to being bullied at school, that was my life for about 7 years. I didn't shoot a bunch of elementary school kids, nor even the morons who bullied me. So being bullied doesn't transmogrify people into murderers. (if it did, I'm almost 60 years past-due).
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The bullying crap happens to just about everybody. It's part of being a kid. It's one of those lessons you take with you, but it is only a lesson -- not a license to murder.
Best thing to do to bullies is to beat the shit out of them. It only takes one time then that bully will bully you no more.
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The bullying crap happens to just about everybody. It's part of being a kid. It's one of those lessons you take with you, but it is only a lesson -- not a license to murder.
Best thing to do to bullies is to beat the shit out of them. It only takes one time then that bully will bully you no more.
Not a bouncy story, I promise and I'll try to make it brief.
Moved to suburbs when I was in 7th grade, and had dorky glasses as kids wore in the early 80's. This little snot nosed kid constantly bullied me verbally in both years of Junior High. At some point, I essentially told him to "Go Cheney yourself", and he wanted to fight and I agreed. A classmate said we could have the "fight" in his backyard a few blocks away after school. In one punch, I broke the bully's nose and he cried, whined, and went scurrying away like a little girl. No one ever "bullied" me like that ever again.
In the summer after 8th grade, I got contact lenses and happened to grow in height 8 inches as teenage boys often do. And some of my classmates didn't even recognize me when we started Freshman year in high school.
We didn't solve our disagreement with guns, we did it properly like adolescent teens. And sure, I still got occasionally teased throughout high school/college, and even in real life to this day. You just laugh it off and don't take it too damn seriously.
But if you convincingly beat up a bully early rather than wallow in misery, you'll live a happier life.
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The dynamics are a bit different when the target is 10 or 11 and the bullies are 2-4 years older and bigger, as was my case for a few years. Finally in my junior year a bully went that step far enough that I clumsily saw and raised him. That was the last of the bullying, but at age 16 and after 7 years of the crap, the relief wasn't that much. The next year plus was more peaceful, but the years of me being changed weren't undone.
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My mind never went "there", but to my mind, a bully's target bent on revenge would go after the bully, not some random people. More to the point, were Ramos seeking revenge, he would have gone after students/people around his own age, the people who bullied him. There is no way in Hades the primary-grade children he slaughtered had anything to do with Ramos being bullied.
My conclusion is that, however the experience of being bullied bent Ramos' character and personality, his choice of victims proves having been bullied had basically nothing to do with the shooting. Something else bent him so that he would slaughter primary-grade children.
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My mind never went "there", but to my mind, a bully's target bent on revenge would go after the bully, not some random people. More to the point, were Ramos seeking revenge, he would have gone after students/people around his own age, the people who bullied him. There is no way in Hades the primary-grade children he slaughtered had anything to do with Ramos being bullied.
My conclusion is that, however the experience of being bullied bent Ramos' character and personality, his choice of victims proves having been bullied had basically nothing to do with the shooting. Something else bent him so that he would slaughter primary-grade children.
I don't think there's any doubt he was a psychopath. Cutting himself like he did was certainly a sign. Another is his announcement on Fakebook about he's going to "do it." No, the bully defense is garbage. This moron belonged in a mental institution.
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Absent more complete info, I think the guy is a head case or has programmed himself to be a killer (if there a word for that, I don't know it). The questions that should be asked are:
* How many signs were missed that the guy was evil/dangerous, and why?
* How was he able to get on the school campus with at least one long gun and into a classroom without being stopped?
* Why, in light of recent history, was there no police officer with an on-campus duty station?
You know, the kind of real-life sad and tough questions from which something useful might be learned.
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EXCLUSIVE: Portrait of a teenage killer: Boyfriend of shooter's mother says the 'loner' 18-year-old stayed in his bedroom hitting a punching bag and wouldn't allow anyone in the house while friend says he would drive around shooting people with a BB gun
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10852875/Portrait-killer-Bullied-Call-Duty-loving-Texas-school-gunman-brawled-repeatedly-school.html
Salvador Ramos, 18, often stayed in his room on Hood Street, where he would repeatedly hit a punching bag by himself, his mother's boyfriend Manuel Alvarez told DailyMail.com.
Speaking from the front porch of the three-bedroom house at the end of the dirt road, he said ‘Salvador was a loner.’
‘He didn’t have many friends. Occasionally a "friend" came over,’ he continued, but noted the last time he saw he saw a friend over at the house was about six months ago.
Alvarez, 62, told DailyMail.com that he is shocked that Ramos went on to kill 19 children at the Robb Elementary School in the second-deadliest shooting in the United States, following only the infamous Sandy Hook massacre in 2012 - which saw 26 people killed.
His parents have criminal records.
Ramos is the son of Salvador Ramos, 42, and Adriana Martinez Reyes, 39 - both of whom have a criminal history, DailyMail.com can confirm.
Salvador Sr. has a criminal history going back to 2000, when a Texas Court report shows he was sentenced to 180 days in jail for an unspecified misdemeanor - and was ordered to pay $875 at Uvalde County Court.
He then committed another misdemeanor just one month later and was ordered to pay another $375.
Two years later, on July 29, 2002 he was again arrested for an assault that causes bodily injury against a family member, according to public records. He was again sent to prison for 180 days.
In 2005, he faced another misdemeanor charge and was sentenced to a maximum of 30 days in prison, and by April 2011, Ramos again faced charges - this time for aggravated assault with a deadly weapon and possession of marijuana, and faced a maximum of two years in prison.
It is unclear what Salvador's relationship was with his son, though he lived nearby.
Salvador's mother, meanwhile, was arrested in June 2003 for property theft of less than $500. It is unclear how long she served for that offense.
She was also arrested on misdemeanor charges in 2005 - though it is unclear what precipitated that arrest.
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Absent more complete info, I think the guy is a head case or has programmed himself to be a killer (if there a word for that, I don't know it). The questions that should be asked are:
* How many signs were missed that the guy was evil/dangerous, and why?
* How was he able to get on the school campus with at least one long gun and into a classroom without being stopped?
* Why, in light of recent history, was there no police officer with an on-campus duty station?
You know, the kind of real-life sad and tough questions from which something useful might be learned.
I read today that a border patrol agent was the one to actually put the perp down. Of course, had there been an armed cop or part-time cop in the building and said cop immediately engaged the perp, most of those kids wouldn't have been killed.
All the victims were in one classroom, from what I've read. So the perp didn't walk around shooting at random people evidently.
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I've read, in early reports, that his mother had kicked him out of the house and he was living with his grandmother ... the grandmother he tried to kill before going on to attack the school. I haven't seen whether she survived or died. I've heard that Gov. Abbott stated that the deceased killer didn't have a history of mental illness. "History" would only mean actual medical contacts. My guess is that both local schools and his not necessarily very engaged parent(s) ignored a LOT of serious signs, and possibly also crimes. Just a guess, based on the F-Ups with the Parkland, FL killer.
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It's been reported that the perp's parents - both of them - had criminal records. Mom was a druggie and Dad was prone to domestic violence. Served at least two 180-day jail sentences for misdemeanors. Mom and Dad were separated, but Dad apparently lived in the area. It was originally reported that the perp killed Grandma at the beginning of his rampage, but maybe that isn't the case. Shot her in the face, IIRC.
As tragic as this entire incident is, I'm glad the vermin perp will be worm food. Saves the taxpayers the cost of prosecuting his ass.
That said, I'd much rather his young ass be in a mental institution if it means all those kids and adults he murdered go on with their lives.
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This article, https://hotair.com/john-s-2/2022/05/25/more-information-about-the-uvalde-victims-and-the-shooter-n472015 , has a lot about the victims he killed, as is right. Sadly, because it's being politicized as well as the obvious need to do better, "understanding" Ramos is important. The two needs intersect, because, as I posted above, Ramos wasn't the white male Fundie-gelical Pro-Lifer Progs need - Progs's lies need to be smacked down - and as the latter part of the article points out in detail I had not previously seen, signs Ramos was troubled and likely to become serious trouble were plenteous and ignored.
Added an essential comma.
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^^^Agree completely about refuting the obvious and anticipated proglodyte narrative.
It'll run something like this: "Poor Hispanic kid, living in a White American-run section of rural Texas and completely dominated by racism and downtrodden by White America, bullied by White America because of a lisp and a stutter, shut down by a system that forced his mother into the drug world and his father into domestic violence situation, lashed out despite ample warning and tragically lost his life."
The narrative won't mention his own BS like shooting people with BBs or his cutting his own face. It won't mention his having murdered 22 people in cold blood in a supposed "sanctuary" like an elementary school. No, it'll paint the perp (I refuse to use his name) as a victim of white American suppression.
And the morons who listen to that shit will lap it up like the dumbasses they are. :whatever:
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Family of Texas shooting victims criticizes school for neglecting security
https://www.foxnews.com/us/texas-shooting-victims-family-criticize-school-neglecting-security
UVALDE, Texas – The family members of children killed in the Robb Elementary School shooting criticized the school for neglecting security procedures.
"They need to start putting a lot of security, more than what they have right now," said Gilda Lopez, the grandmother of Xavier Lopez, a 10-year-old slain during the Texas shooting. "Look what happened. We lost an angel."
Salvador Ramos entered the school through an apparently unlocked door before entering a fourth-grade classroom and killing 19 children and two teachers, authorities said Thursday.
I would think the doors would be locked. Then again he could of shot the lock out to get in.
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Texas school killer Salvador Ramos got job at Wendy's to save up $4,000 for rifles he used to massacre 19 young children, and shared his lust for guns with worried co-workers
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10855013/Texas-elementary-school-killer-Salvador-Ramos-got-job-Wendys-save-4-000-guns.html
The teenage gunman who killed 19 young children at a Texas elementary school worked at Wendy's to save up $4,000 to purchase the guns he used in the massacre.
A former co-worker of Salvador Ramos, 18, described the school shooter as a 'rude, creepy and scruffy' guy who she would keep her distance from because he felt unsafe.
Grace Cruz, also 18, told The Sun she worked with the 'demented' teen at the fast-food chain restaurant in Uvalde, Texas, located just minutes from Robb Elementary School - the site of his mass shooting.
She claimed Ramos openly talked about using the money he earned at Wendy's to purchase guns and ammo, adding that he 'suddenly quit' weeks before Tuesday's shooting.
There is something creepy about Salvador Ramos.
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Husband Of Teacher Slain In Texas School Shooting Suffers Fatal Heart Attack: Report
https://www.dailywire.com/news/husband-of-teacher-slain-in-texas-school-shooting-suffers-fatal-heart-attack-report
The husband of one of the teachers slain in the murderous elementary school shooting in Uvalde, Texas, has suffered a fatal heart attack, according to a news report.
“Joe Garcia, the husband of Irma Garcia, one of two teachers shot and killed in Uvalde, TX on Tuesday, has reportedly suffered a fatal heart attack,” Ernie Zuniga of KABB San Antonio Fox reported. “Joe and Irma were high school sweethearts and married 24 years. They leave behind four children.”
Joe and Irma Garcia had been married for 24 years. She had taught at Robb Elementary for 23 years and nominated as a teacher of the year by the school district in 2019.
Joe Garcia, the wife of Irma Garcia, died from grief. :( :mad:
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Family of Texas shooting victims criticizes school for neglecting security
https://www.foxnews.com/us/texas-shooting-victims-family-criticize-school-neglecting-security
I would think the doors would be locked. Then again he could of shot the lock out to get in.
There is an unholy cluster of "information" flooding out about what did and didn't happen during this event. I haven't found any solid timeline, confirmation about what security was in place, what procedures were in place and were being followed, what the cops did on arrival, what they didn't do on arrival, ect from any trustworthy sources. There are accusations flying of cops waiting around, not going in, parents getting held back from going into the building, stuff like this about proper procedures not being followed in the school (my district requires we have classroom doors closed and locked while teaching, all schools have buzzers on the front doors that the office has to open for anyone to enter the building). This is irritating to me as a teacher and parent and conservative, because it means that people are hearing stuff and running with it to fit their narratives and agenda, and it's happening across the political spectrum, and that makes it difficult to find what actually happened and what can really be done about it, at the early prevention level, at the time of the event level, at the school procedure level, and even at the government level. Which seems to be the plan of some feeding the chaos, keep people upset and making demands, but don't let anyone get calmed down and present the whole story to create and implement any actual improvements.
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This tragedy has already become political -- which usually happens during school shootings. I'm at the point where I disregard EVERYTHING until the media stop blaring about it 24/7.
The truth will come out eventually -- just not now, and probably not for the next couple of weeks.
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Some timeline info here, https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/paula-bolyard/2022/05/26/timeline-shifts-again-in-uvalde-school-shooting-n1601275 . Some data points are fairly solid some may move a bit. A few I think are telling, all quoted from the article, are:
* 11:40 am: Ramos enters the school unimpeded and begins firing.
* 11:44 am: Four minutes after Ramos entered the building, law enforcement officials arrive at the school and make entry. “They hear gunfire, they take rounds, they move back to get cover, and during that time they approach the place where the suspect is at,” said Escalon.
* Around 12:35 pm: “Approximately an hour later, U.S. Border tactical teams arrive. They make entry, shoot and kill the suspect,” Escalon said.
I wonder how many children might have been saved had the local PD forced entry - admittedly, at the risk of their lives - and taken out Ramos in the 11:50-12:00 time frame.
Further, in light of this 2018 incident, https://www.kens5.com/article/news/crime/two-teens-arrested-in-mass-casualty-plot-in-2018-targeting-a-uvalde-middle-school/273-548565605 , why in Hades was Ramos able to hop a fence while carrying a rifle (or two?) and enter the school un-freaking-impeded? And why were the local PD so obviously unprepared to handle an active shooter situation (Hello? Clusters-R-Us?) - four years after the plot was foiled, no bleeping training?!!!
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Wow, that press-conference was embarrassingly awful.
No wonder local police botched their response to the crime. They botched the press-conference, which was all about presenting a new timeline. The 'chief' (Stewart) has some kind of facial-twitch that had him go from crying to curating in the same breath.
The takeaway is that the 'on-site' commander had 19 officers stand in the hallway outside the two classrooms for at least 25-minutes, saying there were no children inside... when children inside were calling 911 saying the killer was still shooting at them.
Unforgivable.
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More on the shifting timeleine, https://hotair.com/allahpundit/2022/05/27/border-patrol-tactical-team-arrived-at-uvalde-school-shortly-after-noon-but-cops-stopped-them-from-going-in-n472511 :
I continue not to understand why a town with its own police force and its own SWAT team hadn’t already neutralized the shooter by the time the immigration agents got there. Reportedly, the agents don’t understand it either.
But as bad as it was that Uvalde had to rely on federal officers to handle this, worse is the fact that the feds weren’t allowed to handle it at first. According to the NY Times, the BP and ICE units were held back before finally being allowed to take the shooter down around 45 minutes after they had first arrived.
The agents from Border Patrol and Immigration and Customs Enforcement arrived at some point between 12 p.m. and 12:10 p.m., according to the officials — far earlier than previously known. But they did not breach the adjoining classrooms of the school where the gunman had locked himself in until a little before 1 p.m. Members of the federal tactical team killed the gunman.
The officials said that members of the Uvalde Police Department kept the federal agents from going in sooner…
The Border Patrol and ICE agents did not understand why they were left to wait, according to the official. Eventually, the specialized Border Patrol team went into the building…
The federal officers had driven up from the Mexican border, one official said. The official said it was not clear to the federal agents why their team was needed, and why the local SWAT team did not respond.
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Beck has an interesting twist on this "hesitancy" by the local cops to take out the perp:
Barry Soetoro, George Floyd, Antifa, BLM, and the rest of the fools that want to target cops. When a black man dies while a cop's knee is on him, irrespective of whether or not that black man has just ingested an overdose of fentanyl, that cop is automatically a murderer. Consequently, many cops just aren't interested in putting their asses on the line since they know their political leaders do not have their backs.
I'm not saying I agree with Beck on this one (cops gotta do what cops gotta do - whether it's charging into a room that has an active shooter in it or not), but it is an interesting twist and a potential example of unintended consequences.
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...Consequently, many cops just aren't interested in putting their asses on the line since they know their political leaders do not have their backs...
Then next time, instead of arresting parents while they stand around for over an hour outside the school doing NOTHING, they need to get their cowardly butts out of the way and let the parents go get their children. :censored: :thatsright:
Lotus Eaters Link (https://youtu.be/KDzfYdDNg9k)
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Border Patrol Team Who Ultimately Killed Shooter Were Blocked From Entering School By Uvalde Police for Nearly an Hour
https://timcast.com/news/border-patrol-team-who-ultimately-killed-shooter-were-blocked-from-entering-school-by-uvalde-police-for-nearly-an-hour/
When Border Patrol and Immigration and Customs Enforcement arrived at Robb Elementary School during the shooting, they were held back by Uvalde Police for nearly an hour, according to a new report.
It was an agent, or agents, from BORTAC, an elite Border Patrol tactical team, who ultimately gained access to the room and killed the shooter — as Uvalde Police stood back.
According to a report from the New York Times, Border Patrol arrived at the scene between 12 p.m. and 12:10 p.m. after driving up from the Mexican border, according to two officials that they spoke to on the condition of anonymity. This arrival time is much earlier than previously believed.
They were not able to breach the adjoining classrooms where the gunman was until just before 1 p.m. because they were not allowed entry.
This gets worse and worse. :censored: :mad:
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Then next time, instead of arresting parents while they stand around for over an hour outside the school doing NOTHING, they need to get their cowardly butts out of the way and let the parents go get their children. :censored: :thatsright:
Lotus Eaters Link (https://youtu.be/KDzfYdDNg9k)
I have no problem with that. And yeah, I have to believe that real cops under real leadership would not have hesitated to do what was necessary to stop the carnage. Something stinks in that town about the cops.
The mayor has some balls, but I'm not sure that has cascaded down to the cop on the beat or, more likely, the chief of police.
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Reporter in Uvalde: Biden visit stoking 'a lot of outrage'
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/white-house/reporter-in-uvalde-biden-visit-stoking-a-lot-of-outrage
There is "a lot of outrage" over President Joe Biden visiting Uvalde, Texas, days after a mass shooting killed 21 in a local elementary school, according to a reporter there.
Stella Chavez, an immigration and demographics reporter for KERA News, was asked by CNN's Brian Stelter if the families of the victims care about Biden's trip on Sunday.
"I think it depends on who you ask," Chavez said during an appearance on Reliable Sources. "I think, for the most part, the families who were affected want to focus on their loved ones who were killed. And I think having the leader of our country come here and express, you know, his condolences is important to them. But I also know, I’ve heard people say, you know, now is not the time for him to come here."
Asked why that is, Chavez said, "I think some people are concerned about politicizing this event. And I’ve heard a lot of outrage from people. But I’ve also heard from folks who say, 'I don’t want to focus on that, on what could have happened, what should’ve happened, I just want to focus on the kids.' So I would just say it depends on who you ask. But I do think it’s significant that he’s coming here and especially so soon after another similar trip to Buffalo where a horrible mass shooting also happened."
The news media presents a highly distorted and one sided angle.
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SharterJoe has repeatedly brought up his own son's death from brain cancer in these types of "condolences tours."
What Joe doesn't understand is there is ZERO relationship between his son's death and the deaths of these victims.
But we expect that from SharterJoe. Zero clue, zero understanding, and marches to Barry's drumbeat even today. :whatever:
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Uvalde, Texas police cooperating with state in school shooting probe, district PD chief not responding
https://www.foxnews.com/us/uvalde-texas-police-school-shooting-cooperation
While the Uvalde, Texas police department and local school district police have cooperated with state Department of Public Safety investigators into the massacre that killed 19 children and two teachers at an elementary school and the law enforcement response, the chief of the school police has not responded to a request for a follow-up interview.
The Uvalde Police Department and Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District police force have been talking to authorities, a Texas Department of Public Safety spokesman said.
Local authorities have come under pressure since a Friday press conference in which Steven McCraw, the head of the Texas Department of Public Safety, said the delayed police response to the mass shooting was "the wrong decision."
Pete Arredondo, the Uvalde school district police chief, has not responded to Texas Rangers in two days for a follow-up interview from his initial statements following the shooting, a DPS spokesperson told Fox News in a statement.
Peter Arrendondo is now silent. Something to hide?
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Watch: Uvalde ISD Police Chief Breaks Silence
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/uvalde-isd-police-chief-stops-cooperating-sworn-city-council-member-days-after-botched
Update (1655ET): Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District Police Chief Pete Arredondo, who was the on-site commander for the mass shooting last week that left 21 people dead, has broken his silence over reports that he isn't communicating with state investigators.
"Just so everybody knows, we’ve been in contact with DPS every day," Arredondo told CNN. "I’ve been on the phone with them every day."
When a reporter pressed him to answer more questions, Arredondo said: "We’re going to be respectful to the family," adding "We’re going to do that eventually. Whenever this is done and the families quit grieving, then we’ll do that obviously."
Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District Police Chief Pete Arredondo has some major explaining to do.
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Watch: Uvalde ISD Police Chief Breaks Silence
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/uvalde-isd-police-chief-stops-cooperating-sworn-city-council-member-days-after-botched
Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District Police Chief Pete Arredondo has some major explaining to do.
There are a lot of details I would like to hear to help explain what happened. How long have all of the cops, including the chief, been working as cops? Where? What training have they received, in terms of emergency response, chain of command in emergencies (the prison I worked used a system called ICS which I believe is pretty standard across many levels of law enforcement that we were trained in and did regular drills on)? Had they always worked Uvalde or similar smaller towns, or did any of the officers have larger city experience? Had any of the officers been involved in an active shooter situation before?
There's no answers to any of these questions that excuse what appears to be a massive failure on the part of the UPD, but getting this information and applying it to Uvalde and other places (also known as learning from your mistakes, lurkers) can help prevent repeat performances.
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There are a lot of details I would like to hear to help explain what happened. How long have all of the cops, including the chief, been working as cops? Where? What training have they received, in terms of emergency response, chain of command in emergencies (the prison I worked used a system called ICS which I believe is pretty standard across many levels of law enforcement that we were trained in and did regular drills on)? Had they always worked Uvalde or similar smaller towns, or did any of the officers have larger city experience? Had any of the officers been involved in an active shooter situation before?
There's no answers to any of these questions that excuse what appears to be a massive failure on the part of the UPD, but getting this information and applying it to Uvalde and other places (also known as learning from your mistakes, lurkers) can help prevent repeat performances.
Wait for the upcoming trial where all of these issues, and probably more, will come up. The lawyers are just waiting to jump on this as only ambulance-chasers can.
Class action lawsuit, anyone? :whatever:
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Funeral worker says cops stopped him from saving kids during Texas school shooting
https://nypost.com/2022/06/05/texas-cops-stopped-funeral-worker-from-saving-kids-man-says/
A Texas funeral home worker — among the first to come face-to-face with deranged school shooter Salvador Ramos — says cops stopped him from rushing in to save the kids.
Cody Briseno said he and a coworker initially ran to help Ramos after the 18-year-old killer crashed his pickup truck outside Robb Elementary School on May 24 — but turned back when he saw Ramos armed with an “evil look” on his face, he told NBC News in an interview that aired Sunday.
“I see him crawling out from the passenger window. I tell him, ‘Hey man, are you OK? Are you alright?'” Briseno told the outlet. “We locked eyes and he gave me this vibe.
“He looked right back at me with this evil look and I see this rifle,” he said. “He was shooting at both of us and I could just hear ricochet.”
This gets more disturbing. Cody Briseno tried to help, but was blocked by police.
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Officer husband of slain Uvalde teacher was detained, had gun taken away after trying to save wife
https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2022/06/21/officer-husband-of-slain-uvalde-teacher-was-detained-had-gun-taken-away-after-trying-to-save-wife/
UVALDE, Texas – Shocking testimony from the Texas DPS director on Tuesday has revealed even more insight into the “abject failure” of response to the Uvalde shooting that occurred on May 24.
Texas Department of Public Safety Director Col. Steven McCraw revealed that the husband of slain elementary teacher Eva Mireles tried to save her but was barred from doing so.
Ruben Ruiz is a police officer for the school district and was on the scene after the gunman entered the school and opened fire.
McCraw said Mireles called Ruiz and told him that “she had been shot and was dying.”
Ruben Ruiz is a police officer and was at Robb Elementary School. His gun was taken as he at the school. This more than an abject failure. :mad:
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Horrifying. ^^^^^
And the lawyers will be lining up to cash in on this one.
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Horrifying. ^^^^^
And the lawyers will be lining up to cash in on this one.
Too bad all the payouts associated with this abortion will be coming from the public trough, instead of somebody's personal account...
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All the cops that didn't act should be fired. :mad:
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All the cops that didn't act should be fired charged with Dereliction of Duty and sent to General Population. :mad:
Fixed 'er for ya, my friend. :cheers1:
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All the cops that didn't act should be fired. :mad:
...from a cannon missile silo?
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Uvalde school police chief resigns from city council
https://justthenews.com/nation/uvalde-school-police-chief-resigns-city-council
Pete Arredondo, the chief of police of the Uvalde, Tx., school district, resigned from the city council of that town this week, according to media reports on Saturday.
The Uvalde Leader-News reported on the resignation on Saturday, quoting Arredondo as saying that he had "decided to step down as a member of the city council for District 3."
"The mayor, the city council, and the city staff must continue to move forward without distractions. I feel this is the best decision for Uvalde,” he said, according to the paper.
The disgraced UCISD police chief Pete Arredondo has stepped down as Uvalde city council.
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Uvalde officer aimed rifle at gunman outside school but didn't fire, new report finds
https://www.statesman.com/story/news/state/2022/07/06/uvalde-school-shooting-report-police-missteps/65368071007/
A Uvalde police officer aimed his rifle at the Robb Elementary gunman before he entered the school but waited for a supervisor's permission to open fire, according to a new report obtained Wednesday by the American-Statesman and KVUE-TV about the police response during the massacre that killed 19 children and two teachers.
The officer did not hear a response “and turned to get confirmation from his supervisor,” according to the report by the San Marcos-based Advanced Law Enforcement Rapid Response Training, which conducts active shooter training for police in Texas and beyond. “When he turned back to address the suspect, the suspect had already entered" the school.
The revelation is among multiple new disclosures about mistakes and missteps that responding officers made during the May 24 tragedy, going against best national practices and potentially endangering the lives of fellow officers, the report said. It concluded that because of the flawed response, “while we do not have definitive information at this point, it is possible that some of the people who died during this event could have been saved.”
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Uvalde officer aimed rifle at gunman outside school but didn't fire, new report finds
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As frustrating as it is, I can understand and approve of why the officer didn't take the shot. At that point in time the perp wasn't a clear and present threat to the officer or any bystander, and so even with the rifle on school grounds being a felony, the media, arm chair quarterbacks in various government agencies and perhaps most annoyingly, trial attornies would have had a field day had he taken the shot at that time.
Regrettable, but the rest of the department sitting on their thumbs for an hour afterward while they had ample evidence rolling into their call center that the perp HAD become a clear and present danger subsequent to the original officer's request to fire is overwhelmingly more infuriating.
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As frustrating as it is, I can understand and approve of why the officer didn't take the shot. At that point in time the perp wasn't a clear and present threat to the officer or any bystander, and so even with the rifle on school grounds being a felony, the media, arm chair quarterbacks in various government agencies and perhaps most annoyingly, trial attornies would have had a field day had he taken the shot at that time.
Regrettable, but the rest of the department sitting on their thumbs for an hour afterward while they had ample evidence rolling into their call center that the perp HAD become a clear and present danger subsequent to the original officer's request to fire is overwhelmingly more infuriating.
Completely agree. Had the cop taken the shot and engaged the perp, all hell would've broken loose.
Cops are walking on eggshells as it is. I wonder if that cop had to ask his supervisor to take a dump.
That said, the evident inaction by the rest of the cops for about an hour is simply beyond the pale. All of those supervisors need to be fired, at minimum. And the asshat supervisor who stood the cop down and took his service weapon after the cop's wife was shot and dying needs to do time for dereliction of duty.
There is a lot broken with the cop system in Uvalde. I can see some of the "paralysis by analysis" second-guessing bullshit due to cops being literal and legal targets most of the time, but there are serious issues with duty and what that duty means to the community.
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Uvalde surveillance footage shows police response as gunman murdered 19 children and 2 adults
https://www.foxnews.com/us/uvalde-surveillance-footage-shows-police-response-gunman-murdered-19-children-2-adults
Portions of surveillance footage of the Robb Elementary School shooting were published by the Austin American-Statesman and KVUE on Tuesday ahead of a planned release by officials on Sunday.
The footage shows the gunman, who authorities have identified as 18-year-old Salvador Ramos, firing multiple shots from an AR-15 style rifle outside the school, then entering the building at 11:33 a.m. and shooting his way into adjoining classrooms.
A barrage of more than 100 bullets were fired inside those two classrooms over the next two-and-a-half minutes before seven officers ran into the school at 11:36, two of them armed with rifles and four others armed with handguns.
Disturbing and graphic. :mad: :censored:
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Illegal immigration blamed in Uvalde, Texas school shooting: report
https://nypost.com/2022/07/18/illegal-immigration-blamed-in-uvalde-texas-school-shooting-report/
The US border crisis helped create lax security at the Uvalde school where 19 fourth-graders and two teachers were slaughtered, an explosive Texas report shows.
State lawmakers who investigated the horrific mass shooting noted in their findings a major problem plaguing Texas border towns as law enforcement increasingly spot vehicles suspected of human smuggling — and said the situation contributed to “relaxed vigilance” at the school during the May attack.
The report explained that when authorities try to pull a suspicious vehicle over, the driver often refuses to stop and speeds away, a dangerous occurrence that frequently ends in a crash and the operator and his passengers abandoning, or “bailing out,” of the car.
Such “bailouts” in Uvalde routinely trigger security alerts for local schools including Robb Elementary. But since the alerts usually don’t amount to danger for the school, they end up being treated a little like the boy who cried wolf, the pols’ report said.
How the border crisis played a role in police response at Robb Elementary.
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The report also stated that a culture of laxness was inherent within the school as doors were frequently propped open. That's how the perp got into the school to begin with.
Security starts by having things locked up.
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Uvalde shooter exhibited 'almost every warning sign,' expert says
https://abcnews.go.com/US/uvalde-shooter-exhibited-warning-sign-expert/story?id=87064502 (https://abcnews.go.com/US/uvalde-shooter-exhibited-warning-sign-expert/story?id=87064502)
The Texas House of Representatives committee report on the Robb Elementary School shooting revealed the accused school shooter exhibited many warning signs in the years, months and days leading up to the school shooting, but he was still able to legally purchase the assault rifle used in the shooting.
The report illustrated many failures by the school and by law enforcement officers leading up to and on the day of the shooting and caused outcry among families of the 21 people killed in May.
Private individuals were the only people who knew of the many warning signs he displayed, as he had no criminal history prior to the shooting. The alleged shooter's apparent motive was a "desire for notoriety and fame," according to the report.
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"He exhibited almost every warning sign," John Cohen, an ABC News contributor and the former acting undersecretary for intelligence and counterterrorism coordinator at the Department of Homeland Security, said in an interview. "This guy should have been on everybody's radar."
Same stupidity as with the Parkland shooter - known to be dangerous but nothing done.
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Uvalde shooter exhibited 'almost every warning sign,' expert says
https://abcnews.go.com/US/uvalde-shooter-exhibited-warning-sign-expert/story?id=87064502 (https://abcnews.go.com/US/uvalde-shooter-exhibited-warning-sign-expert/story?id=87064502)
Same stupidity as with the Parkland shooter - known to be dangerous but nothing done.
And this raises the obvious question: What makes anyone think new gun laws will accomplish anything?
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And this raises the obvious question: What makes anyone think new gun laws will accomplish anything?
While I haven't followed the Uvalde story very closely - I'm a human with ordinary bandwidth, like most - I think it would be true to say that had laws been followed with the Parkland shooter, he would not have passed a NICS background check, and thus not been able to buy his gun at a licensed store. I suspect that people in his area knew enough about him that finding a private seller willing to sell to him might have been difficult.
It sounds like the Uvalde shooter had a poor reputation in a fairly small community (about the size of the nearest town when I was growing up).
But speaking more generally, several notorious mass shootings have involved failures to follow laws that would have led to the shooters being unable to pass a background check.
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While I haven't followed the Uvalde story very closely - I'm a human with ordinary bandwidth, like most - I think it would be true to say that had laws been followed with the Parkland shooter, he would not have passed a NICS background check, and thus not been able to buy his gun at a licensed store. I suspect that people in his area knew enough about him that finding a private seller willing to sell to him might have been difficult.
It sounds like the Uvalde shooter had a poor reputation in a fairly small community (about the size of the nearest town when I was growing up).
But speaking more generally, several notorious mass shootings have involved failures to follow laws that would have led to the shooters being unable to pass a background check.
The shooter bought 2 AR-15 rifles and 375 rounds of 5.56 a couple days before the shooting -- legally. He bought the weapons a day after his 18th birthday and the ammo a day or so later.
Here's another development:
Texas school principal suspended after Uvalde shooting
By Brendan O'Brien - 4h ago
(Reuters) - The principal of the Texas elementary school where a gunman went on a rampage in May has been suspended with pay, her attorney said on Tuesday, two weeks after a damning report about lax security that enabled the shooter to carry out the attack.
Mandy Gutierrez, principal of Robb Elementary School, was placed on administrative leave by Hal Harrell, the Uvalde school district superintendent, on Monday, her attorney Ricardo Cedillo told Reuters.
He offered no specific reason for the suspension which comes two months after the massacre, which killed 19 schoolchildren and two teachers.
The shooting opened up a new wave of debate over the easy access to guns enjoyed by Texans and many other Americans.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/texas-school-principal-suspended-after-uvalde-shooting/ar-AAZZlBs
"Ms. Gutierrez has no further comment at this time," he said.
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And this raises the obvious question: What makes anyone think new gun laws will accomplish anything?
Depends on what any new gunCONTROL law is intended to accomplish - AAAND whether the CONTROL freaks can come with a founding-era justification for their latest infringement of the 2nd Amendment.
Oh wait; hadn't they better come up with the same founding-era justification for their EXISTING shit gunCONTROL laws first? Otherwise whatever Act they pass is liable to be DOA the moment it leaves #JoeThePedophile's desk...
Thank Dog for Justice Thomas...
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Uvalde schools Police Chief Pete Arredondo fired three months after mass shooting
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/uvalde-schools-police-chief-pete-arredondo-fired-three-months-after-mass-shooting
Pete Arredondo has been fired from his role as police chief of the school district in Uvalde, Texas, exactly three months after a mass shooting killed 19 students and two teachers in one of the schools in his jurisdiction.
The school board vote — at a meeting Arredondo refused to attend — was unanimous, according to reports Wednesday evening. Arredondo had already stepped down from his position on the City Council, just weeks after being sworn in, due to the shooting.
After hearing testimony from some in the audience, the board moved into a private meeting to discuss Arredondo's contract, as Texas law requires such decisions to be made in a closed session, according to CNN. The board members then returned to read the motion to terminate the police chief's noncertified contract and ratify his leave. The announcement was met with audible cheers from the audience, according to the New York Times.
Uvalde schools Police Chief Pete Arredondo is fired.
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And this raises the obvious question: What makes anyone think new gun laws will accomplish anything?
No offense, but it really doesn't. One fundamental rule to always remember when dealing with dems, leftists and gun grabbers of any claimed stripe:
It's nearly never really about what they say it's about.
Gun control isn't about stopping these events or about preventing shootings. It's about the gradual disarmament of this country through lies, fiat, and attrition.
They don't actually object to the dead when it comes to mass shootings, they object to the idea of angry Americans doing that to them and theirs, knowing that they're doing everything to deserve it.
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Why did it take the city council five weeks to fire Arredondo? The detailed report (not a summary) completed by the TX House investigative committee was released 5 weeks ago.
Looks to me like the entire city council is hosed up, not just Arredondo.
The Uvalde police chief should also be terminated.