primitives approve of gov't rationed healthcare; insinuate some should die

[USA4ME]

jody

“Man refused liver transplant dies” in UK (BBC News)

Man refused liver transplant dies

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A man from east London who began binge-drinking at 13 has died after being denied a life-saving liver transplant.

Gary Reinbach, 22, from Dagenham, was given only a few weeks to live after developing cirrhosis of the liver.

But health chiefs ruled he should not be exempt from strict organ donation criteria which require an alcohol-free period of at least six months.

A statement from NHS Blood and Transplant said: "This case highlights the dilemma doctors face because of the shortage of donated organs.

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Reinbach was denied a transplant because he had not met “an alcohol-free period of at least six months” given a “shortage of donated organs”.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6115954&mesg_id=6115954

Taverner

2. Not if he cant do the 6 months dry

stray cat

5. organs are in short supply and have to be rationed as a result

LeftishBrit

29. The issue here is not lack of money, but shortage of organs

The issue is both, dimwit.

LanternWaste

85. Rationing of what? Organs?

If there were a brazillion extra healthy livers in stock at The Liver Store waiting on nothing more than a needy patient to request one, what precisely leads you to believe he would be denied the procedure?

The cost.  In this case, healthcare was rationed.

lumberjack_jeff
 
88. The procedure isn't rationed because of cost.

It's rationed because of a limitation on human organs.

That's a lie, it's both cost and limitation.

Gwendolyn

30. You're confusing two separate issues. 
 
Not approving this guy for an organ transplant has nothing to do with health care.

Sure it does, it's gov't rationed healthcare.  Yes, the insurance companies ration healthcare, but it's going to be even more restrictive should the gov't do it.  The gov't healthcare in Europe and Canada have proven that to be the fact without question.  Would this 22 year old have received a liver transplant in the USA?  Maybe not, but he would have stood a better chance here than he did under socialized medicine.

But here's the crux of what we need to watch:

SemiCharmedQuark 

16. What does that have to do with the article you posted?
 
The article is about rationing organs, not rationing care.

jody

23. They both deal with rationing health care.

SemiCharmedQuark 

25. No. This story is about rationing organs, NOT health care.

You can see how it's going to be portrayed by these idiots.  If someone isn't provided the medication they need, it's not rationing healthcare, it rationing medication.  If someone can't get in to see the doctor for months on end, it isn't rationing healthcare, it rationing the availability of doctors.  If someone has to wait forever for their kidney dialysis, it's not because they're rationing healthcare, it's because they're rationing the use of the dialysis machines.

I could go on but you get the picture.

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[miskie]

threads like this make me wish that DU listed true recommendations when the thread goes into negative territorry - this one is negative in the hundreds by now, I am sure.

[The Village Idiot]

If the families of dead people were paid $500 for the organs do you think we would ever see a shortage?

They would still ration care though.

[thundley4]

The DUmmies miss a big point of the original article.  He was denied a transplant because he didn't meet the 6 months being sober requirement.  However, he couldn't meet that requirement because he was too ill to be released from the hospital.

How are the DUmmies going to feel when they are denied care because of being drug addicts/alcoholics or too obese?

[USA4ME]

How are the DUmmies going to feel when they are denied care because of being drug addicts/alcoholics or too obese?

It'll be the fault of Republicans/conservatives.  Won't relieve them of their pain and eventual death, but they can continue to lie to themselves and complain about it in territory they cultivated.

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[BlueStateSaint]

It'll be the fault of Republicans/conservatives.  Won't relieve them of their pain and eventual death, but they can continue to lie to themselves and complain about it in territory they cultivated.

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Maybe some of them will actually realize that this is the result of their "socialist dream," in their last moments, and repent of their idiocy, and ask God for forgiveness.

[docstew]

Maybe some of them will actually realize that this is the result of their "socialist dream," in their last moments, and repent of their idiocy, and ask God for forgiveness.

Being people who believe in a loving, forgiving God, we can only hope.

[miskie]

Maybe some of them will actually realize that this is the result of their "socialist dream," in their last moments, and repent of their idiocy, and ask God for forgiveness.

It will never happen. Some of these primitives are so dense, so close minded, and so egotistical that they would never admit they may have been wrong - that is if the thought of possibly being wrong ever crosses their minds on the first place.

[TheSarge]

The DUmmies will support crap like this right up to and until the time that they themselves are needing some kind of life saving procedure and they're told they can't have it or they have to wait.

[Carl]

Hypothetical question for lurking DUmmies.

If a gay person has AIDS should any medicines be used to extend their life or make what time they have more comfortable?

Should a smoker with lung cancer receive treatments?

You all think this is just a way to get you seperated from an insurance/employment bond or to add play money to a bank account but there are real ramifications to a non private system that becomes overburdened with patients and limited resources.

Subsidize anything and you get more of it and "free" healthcare is subsidizing patients.
The disasters ahead are monumental.