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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: dutch508 on April 26, 2021, 08:34:36 AM
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PrinceHakeem (55 posts)
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It's a war crime to use hollow point bullets in battle, but police are allowed to use them
Why don't people talk more about this? Shooting a hollow point into a person compared to regular ammo could really be the difference between life and death. Maybe some of these situations wouldn't be fatal.
Using a full metal jacketed bullet in an urban setting would go through the suspect, the wall behind them, the lady next door, her cat, the next wall...
While hollow points are commonly used by police and civilians, they are banned in international warfare under the 1899 Hague Convention's early laws of war that the United States has followed even though the U.S. government never ratified the agreement.
Star Member Phoenix61 (9,845 posts)
1. It's not a warm crime to use hollow point bullets.
The US military uses them.
No, we don't.
Star Member multigraincracker (22,966 posts)
6. Knew a cop that had a hollow point bounce off the chin of a pit bull.
In Detroit a few years ago they were having problem with service rounds not penetrating heavy winter coats.
The nasty ones for humans and animals are the 223 military rounds as they are meant to tumble on impact, causing terrible wounds. The rounds used in assault rifles. Those do need to be banned for civilian use.
:whatever:
so much stupid in that post...
Star Member multigraincracker (22,966 posts)
9. Are they also designed to tumble on impact?
That's what I thought, but not that familiar military rounds.
designed to tumble on impact?
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DVRacer (522 posts)
12. Not by design
The M193 55gr 5.56 NATO could do that but not by design.
Those really have not been used since the early 80’s. They were replaced by the M855 62gr green tip and those didn’t really tumble as they had a steel tip. The M855 has been replaced itself with the M855A1 that has a tungsten tip even less tumble with Spec Ops and others using the Mk262 77gr. The myth of tumbling by design is not true.
sop (4,703 posts)
5. The Hague Convention of 1899 prohibited the use in international warfare of bullets that easily expand or flatten inside the body, but the United States maintains the use of expanding bullets can be legal when there is a clear military necessity. Expanding bullets do produce more damage in human (or animal) tiasue. Videos of expanding bullets being fired into ballistic gelatin are all over the internet, illustrating the large wound cavities created, and the damage done by these bullets.
Star Member Kaleva (27,509 posts)
7. And these bullets can be bought on line or in many stores
Ace Hardware in a nearby town has them.
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Usually, the Military doesn't buy it's ammo from Ace Hardware...
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Well, this apples-oranges comparison is better than the average apples-rutabagas comparisons DUpipo concoct.
If Progs really gave a @#$% all they'd have to do is change the law to forbid the use of hollow point bullets in police work. As dutch posted, that would have unintended consequences. Progs haven't managed to repeal that law yet.
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So...
...you consider your actions that precipitate these events to be acts of war?
Okay.
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Stoooooopid question time. Does any pistol or rifle bullet not "tumble" to some degree on hitting soft tissue or bone? Excluding round shot from shotguns or muzzle loaders, of course.
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Star Member Phoenix61 (9,845 posts)
1. It's not a warm crime to use hollow point bullets.
is a warm crime better or worse than a hate crime?
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is a warm crime better or worse than a hate crime?
It is if it's global.
STOP GLOBAL WARMING CRIMES NOW!
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Stoooooopid question time. Does any pistol or rifle bullet not "tumble" to some degree on hitting soft tissue or bone? Excluding round shot from shotguns or muzzle loaders, of course.
Not so much in soft tissue, but can be redirected by bone. Lots of videos on YouTube showing what happens using clear ballistic gel.
KC