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Offline LC EFA

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Quebec orders immigrants to learn french or leave
« on: January 04, 2009, 06:56:52 AM »
This is just another example of the primitives being able to hold two logically contradictory positions at the same time.

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quebec orders immigrants to learn french or leave
   
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Starting in January, immigrants applying to come to Quebec will be required to sign a declaration pledging to learn French and acknowledging that they understand men and women have equal rights, and political and religious powers are separate.

Anyone who refuses to sign the declaration will not have their application accepted, Quebec Immigration Minister Yolande James said yesterday.

"Coming to Quebec is not a right, it is a privilege," Ms. James said.

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=...

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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4762385

Imagine the reaction if you replaced Quebec with America, and French with English in the above.

One would expect the primitives to be completely opposed to this, like they are whenever it's suggested speaking English should be mandatory in the USA.

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Occam Bandage  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Sun Jan-04-09 12:04 AM
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1. A bit silly, and I think aimed more at preserving French in the face of English
   
than at ensuring immigrants assimilate.
 
SillyFlower (691 posts)    Sun Jan-04-09 01:18 AM
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French is a beautiful language
   
that's all ;-)

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Skink  (1000+ posts) Sun Jan-04-09 12:07 AM
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2. We require English here do we not?
   
Fire1 (668 posts) Sun Jan-04-09 12:09 AM
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3. Wee wee monsieur

Bzzzt. FAIL.

There doesn't appear to be any opposition to the idea that immigrants should be required to speak the common language of the demographic they're trying to migrate too.

Now if only they could apply the same model of thinking to the USA (and any other Western English speaking nation)
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Re: Quebec orders immigrants to learn french or leave
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2009, 07:04:44 AM »
Hmmmm...last time I went to Huntington Park, East LA, etc., I don't recall "language police" ensuring that shop signs in English are larger than the ones in Spanish.  Last time I checked, the US has not adopted English as an official language, and while many states have English as an (not the only) official language, it's far from the only one spoken or used for government correspondence.

And yet the DUmmies can take both sides of a position at the same time.  Interesting, really.
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Re: Quebec orders immigrants to learn french or leave
« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2009, 07:11:01 AM »
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3. Wee wee monsieur

Wee wee?   


 :whatever:
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Re: Quebec orders immigrants to learn french or leave
« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2009, 07:13:30 AM »
There's, as usual, a problem with this.

Enforcing language doesn't preserve it; it only embalms it.

It was a Frenchman, Sanche de Gramont, who said that, during one of those episodic seizures when the French were trying to ban words borrowed from English.
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Re: Quebec orders immigrants to learn french or leave
« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2009, 07:13:41 AM »
Quote from: formerlurker on January 04, 2009, 07:11:01 AM
Wee wee?   


 :whatever:

Hmmm...seems the primitive has enough problems with English, and they just carry over to astounding ignorance in French.
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Re: Quebec orders immigrants to learn french or leave
« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2009, 07:14:25 AM »
Canadian French is a bastardized version of the French language.   Not so beautiful...

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Re: Quebec orders immigrants to learn french or leave
« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2009, 07:16:19 AM »
Quote from: formerlurker on January 04, 2009, 07:14:25 AM
Canadian French is a bastardized version of the French language.   Not so beautiful...

This happens all the time; I wish I could find one of many stories about it, when a Frenchman encounters someone from Quebec or Cajun Louisiana speaking French.

Apparently it's hilarious.
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Re: Quebec orders immigrants to learn french or leave
« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2009, 07:23:07 AM »
Quote from: franksolich on January 04, 2009, 07:16:19 AM
This happens all the time; I wish I could find one of many stories about it, when a Frenchman encounters someone from Quebec or Cajun Louisiana speaking French.

Apparently it's hilarious.

I vacation in VT and ME, which is invaded by Canadians doing the same year round.  My mom is 100% Canadian also.   I have been to Canada many many times. 

It is not the French you will hear in Europe.   Not by a long shot. 
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Re: Quebec orders immigrants to learn french or leave
« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2009, 07:26:44 AM »
Quote from: franksolich on January 04, 2009, 07:13:30 AM
There's, as usual, a problem with this.

Enforcing language doesn't preserve it; it only embalms it.

It was a Frenchman, Sanche de Gramont, who said that, during one of those episodic seizures when the French were trying to ban words borrowed from English.

It's not that other languages should be in any way restricted. People intending to migrate permanently to a place where the overwhelming majority of the population communicate in Language X , should have at the very least a functional grasp of Language X, and the willingness to learn it in order to have any chance of succeeding in that society.
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Re: Quebec orders immigrants to learn french or leave
« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2009, 07:32:52 AM »
Quote from: formerlurker on January 04, 2009, 07:11:01 AM
Wee wee?   


 :whatever:

Yeah....Wee wee.....french for p!ss on it.
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Re: Quebec orders immigrants to learn french or leave
« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2009, 07:41:52 AM »
Quote from: franksolich on January 04, 2009, 07:16:19 AM
This happens all the time; I wish I could find one of many stories about it, when a Frenchman encounters someone from Quebec or Cajun Louisiana speaking French.

Apparently it's hilarious.

Indeed - The French consider other dialects the same way people in the United States are amused by dialects from regions other than their own, and England is amused by American dialect as a whole. (as well as Welsh, Scottish and Irish dialects)
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Re: Quebec orders immigrants to learn french or leave
« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2009, 09:10:16 AM »
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Re: Quebec orders immigrants to learn french or leave
« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2009, 10:48:43 AM »
Quote from: LC EFA on January 04, 2009, 07:26:44 AM
It's not that other languages should be in any way restricted. People intending to migrate permanently to a place where the overwhelming majority of the population communicate in Language X , should have at the very least a functional grasp of Language X, and the willingness to learn it in order to have any chance of succeeding in that society.


People in parts of the US (all of Southern California for example) one can be born, live their entire life and die in old age and never learn nor speak a word of English.
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Re: Quebec orders immigrants to learn french or leave
« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2009, 11:07:20 AM »
What? What a bunch of racist haters!!!!!!! How dare  they make you speak one language  :fuelfire:
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Re: Quebec orders immigrants to learn french or leave
« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2009, 12:05:04 PM »
Quote from: miskie on January 04, 2009, 07:41:52 AM
Indeed - The French consider other dialects the same way people in the United States are amused by dialects from regions other than their own, and England is amused by American dialect as a whole. (as well as Welsh, Scottish and Irish dialects)

Not just England...my mother was from Austria, but learned "the King's English."  She couldn't believe the stuff we speak is the same language...she always insisted that we speak "American," not English.   :-)
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