U.S. Calls for Pause on Johnson & Johnson Vaccine After Clotting Cases

[Texacon]

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215330925


From the people who brought you "ONE death is too many!!!" When talking about things like ... Oh, gun control, or COVID, white cops shooting blacks (they don't care if blacks kill each other or cops kill any other race).  I let this one marinate a little before bringing it over.

PA Democrat (13,031 posts)


U.S. Calls for Pause on Johnson & Johnson Vaccine After Clotting Cases

WASHINGTON — Federal health agencies on Tuesday will call for an immediate pause in use of Johnson & Johnson’s single-dose coronavirus vaccine after six recipients in the United States developed a rare disorder involving blood clots within about two weeks of vaccination, officials briefed on the decision said.

All six recipients were women between the ages of 18 and 48. One woman died and a second woman in Nebraska has been hospitalized in critical condition, the officials said.


Nearly seven million people in the United States have received Johnson & Johnson shots so far, and roughly nine million more doses have been shipped out to the states, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

While the move is framed as a recommendation to health practitioners in the states, the federal government is expected to pause administration of the vaccine at all federally run vaccination sites. Federal officials expect that state health officials will take that as a strong signal to do the same.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/u-s-calls-for-pause-on-johnson-johnson-vaccine-after-clotting-cases/ar-BB1fB8wg?ocid=msedgntp

bearsfootball516 (5,897 posts)

4. It's 6 people out of 7 million.

Not exactly terrifying numbers.

Bet if it was you, you'd be terrified.  Just sayin'.

Victor_c3 (2,912 posts)

30. Versus 16% of people hospitalized with Covid having clotting issues

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/cardiology/blood-clots-formed-in-16-of-covid-19-patients-in-nyc-health-system-study-finds.html

This is a nasty virus and it takes a nasty shot to offer protection against it. I’ll roll the dice and risk dangerous possible side effects with a vaccine before I risk seemingly more common severe reactions from an actual Covid infection.

Actually, I already rolled the dice with the vaccine. I received my second dose about a month ago.

... just further illustrating your point

DenaliDemocrat (665 posts)

44. 1 in a million

Sounds like random chance to me. No control arm for evaluation. Color me skeptical.

Ms. Toad (26,201 posts)

63. If it is like Astra Zeneca,

The other vaccine that uses the same process, it is a very specific and rare clotting issue, which kills 1/3 odd the people who get it. They are in the process of trying to figure out who is at risk, so they can make specific recommendations about who might want to get a different vaccine.

The initial reports were that the AS clots had a lower occurrence them the general population, which was true, until they got more specific information about the disorder people were developing.

Arazi (4,493 posts)

84. I'm not sure about that. 18 year old stroke victim. The oldest was 48

These are very young women.

They're probably now on Coumadin or other blood thinner for the rest of their lives which would be pretty tough.

That's a very bad vaccine injury

It's all still experimental at this point.  No one knows the long term effects, but what we do know is the death rate for COVID is about .5%.  I'm still taking my chances with that one.

WhiskeyGrinder (11,485 posts)

5. 6 people out of 7 million who got the shot? Wait till they hear about birth control pills.

Wait until you hear about how many are actually killed with a semi auto rifle each year.  Oh wait, you don't care about that, you just want to disarm everyone who didn't do it because even ONE life is too many, right?

Pretty big at this point and sure to get bigger.  Could be fun!

KC

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

[SVPete]

When the EU and UK versions of the FDA reviewed blood clots that happened after the patients received the AZ vaccine it was found that the % of vaccine patients with clots was lower than what would happen randomly in the general population. Six J&J recipients with clots out of however many million who received the J&J vaccine may also be lower than what would happen randomly. IF that is the case, then what? IF that is the case, could it be argued that the J&J vaccine is somewhat protective against clots?

Recipients of any vaccine - not just a Covid vaccine - are asked to report any "adverse event" after receiving the shot. Determining whether the vaccine was relevant to the adverse event is a separate process, and many are determined to be unrelated. So the blood clots might be found to be caused by the J&J vaccine, or they might be found to be unrelated.

Just general info ... the J&J vaccine and AZ vaccine use the same technology, "viral vector", but are not identical in details of implementation. Moderna and Pfizer use an entirely different technology and are attacked by anti-vaxxers with a different conspiracy theory.

The MSM are purveyors of Panic Porn in support of government control. Sadly, reports like the topic of this DU thread must be taken with a sizable block of salt.

[landofconfusion80]

The late night infomercials are gonna be fantastic:
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[SVPete]

When the EU and UK versions of the FDA reviewed blood clots that happened after the patients received the AZ vaccine it was found that the % of vaccine patients with clots was lower than what would happen randomly in the general population. Six J&J recipients with clots out of however many million who received the J&J vaccine may also be lower than what would happen randomly. IF that is the case, then what? IF that is the case, could it be argued that the J&J vaccine is somewhat protective against clots?
...

Curiouser and curiouser"

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2021/04/a-vaccination-pause-that-seems-senseless-and-harmful.php

A VACCINATION PAUSE THAT SEEMS SENSELESS AND HARMFUL

But the decision by the FDA and CDC to recommend a pause in the administering of the J&J vaccine seems like an unforced error. According to the joint statement of these two agencies, 6.8 million doses of this vaccine have been administered in the U.S. Six people who have received the vaccine (via a one time shot) have reported experiencing a rare and severe type of blood clot associated with strokes.
...
Moreover, according to Johns Hopkins Medicine, five out of a million people experience this rare blood clot every year. Thus, one-in-a-million might overstate the extent to which the J&J vaccine has produced the clot.

I don’t understand how the FDA/CDC recommendation can be justified. The effects of the pause will be (1) to slow down the effort to vaccinate all Americans who want to be vaccinated and (2) to cause fewer Americans to want to be vaccinated, due to unjustified fear of serious side effects.

In response to criticism, the FDA says the pause in administering J&J’s vaccine will last “a matter of days,” assuming findings favorable to a resumption. ...