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Current Events => General Discussion => Topic started by: Toastedturningtidelegs on October 14, 2009, 06:31:26 AM
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ALBANY, Ore. - At the Oaks Apartments in Albany, the management can fly their own flag advertising one and two bedroom apartments - but residents have been told they can't fly any flags at all.
Jim Clausen flies the American flag from the back of his motorcycle. He has a son in the military heading back to Iraq, and the flag - he said - is his way of showing support.
"This flag stands for all those people," said Clausen, an Oaks Apartment resident. "It stands for the people that can no longer stand - who died in wars. That's why I fly this flag."
But to Oaks Apartment management, Clausen said, the American flag symbolizes problems.
He was told to remove the red, white and blue from both of his rides, or face eviction.
"It floored me," he said. "I can't believe she was saying what she was saying."
Even long-time residents like Sharron White, who has flown a flag on her car for eight years, has been told to take it down.
White said management told her that "someone might get offended."
"I just said to her 'They'll just have to get over it,'" White said.
Resident we talked to who had been approached to take down their flags all told us the same thing: that management told them the flags could be offensive because they live in a diverse community.
More...
Unbelievable! :whatever: http://www.katu.com/news/local/64059697.html
edited to fix broken link
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I can see the apartment complex not allowing flags to be flown from balconies or windows, I don't agree with it, but I can understand it. But not allowing flags on peoples vehicles? Do they disallow bumper sticker flags also?
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I can see the apartment complex not allowing flags to be flown from balconies or windows, I don't agree with it, but I can understand it. But not allowing flags on peoples vehicles? Do they disallow bumper sticker flags also?
According to the article yes! :o
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Resident we talked to who had been approached to take down their flags all told us the same thing: that management told them the flags could be offensive because they live in a diverse community.
Attempts to find out for ourselves why management would ban flags were unsuccessful. KATU wanted to talk to management at Oaks Apartments, but no one has returned our calls. The woman we were told had made the decision said she was "not going to answer any questions."
Welcome to America, a$$holes.
I wonder if there is anything in the rental agreement that gives management the right to regulate flags on vehicles. If not, they can pound sand.
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Hmmmm? Lets try this again!http://www.katu.com/news/local/64059697.html
Got it working...must have been a problem on their end.
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Barb Holcomb, the nonresident manager of the Oaks Apartments at 1440 Geary Circle S.E., owned by Stan Keller, said she wanted to implement the flag policy earlier but the previous on-site manager would not say anything to the tenants.
"I'm trying to avoid any conflict," Holcomb said. "I have a problem when tenants' rights to free speech come into contact with other tenants' rights of peaceful enjoyment. This policy is not a violation of anyone's civil rights.
"We're a diverse community here, and we've had previous problems with this sort of thing," she said.
Holcomb declined to say what types of problems those were.
When the paper contacted the owner, Keller, he said the policy pertained only to flags flying from any of the 188 units and not to vehicles.
Later, Holcomb clarified that Keller is responsible for maintenance of the building while she addresses issues relating to tenants.
http://www.gazettetimes.com/news/local/98149988-b52d-11de-98fd-001cc4c03286.html
The Oak Apts'. latest reviews: http://www.apartmentreviews.net/ratings/Oregon/albany/Oaks-Apartments.htm
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Got it working...must have been a problem on their end.
No, the original link had a syntax error
it was posted as "http://http://www...."
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Wonder how popular that decision will be when the paying residents move out and the complex becomes another Section 8 hellhole.
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I'd tell the management to go get bent.
Unless there is something clearly defined in the lease, banning US flafs form vehicles, I'd also sue the snot out of them.
Where is the ACLU on this?
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UPDATE:
ALBANY, Ore. -- Flags are OK again at an Albany apartment complex after the property manager reviewed the policy and decided she didn't have the legal standing to ban flags from the exteriors of apartments and vehicles parked at the complex.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/64262707.html
"I made a policy. I was wrong," she said. "My boss is a wonderful man. He backed me 100 percent -- even when I was wrong."
Lady, you are a ****ing moonbat and your boss is a ****ing idiot.
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http://www.gazettetimes.com/news/local/98149988-b52d-11de-98fd-001cc4c03286.html
The Oak Apts'. latest reviews: http://www.apartmentreviews.net/ratings/Oregon/albany/Oaks-Apartments.htm
Classic! :lmao:
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Wow... a 0% rating. That was quick. :beer:
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This makes little sense to me, but perhaps its like a bloods crips kind of thing, like if there is some gang related or hate related issues here, I doubt the complex wants to outlaw american flags, but perhaps they have to ban all flags to keep people from flying other flags, maybe there is like a puerto rican / mexican fued going on where they use the flags to encourage violence.
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Good Christ--she's like vestanumbers, but younger.
Reading comprehension isn't your strong point, is it dear?
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Good Christ--she's like vestanumbers, but younger.
Reading comprehension isn't your strong point, is it dear?
"like, OMG, like..."
:whatever:
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Now, can I tell her where to put the flagpole?
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Again no debate at all, just hate monguering.
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Again no debate at all, just hate monguering.
What is there to debate? The manager admitted her position was legally baseless. The "requirement" has been removed.
That covers the legal perspective.
On a much more personal basis, when you or any of your liberal "brethren" want to **** with my right to display my flag, you'll have much more on your hands than you bargained for.
When you've walked in my shoes and seen what I've seen, you'll have a clue what I'm talking about. Until then, monger away. Your point - whatever that is - means less than nothing.
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This makes little sense to me, but perhaps its like a bloods crips kind of thing, like if there is some gang related or hate related issues here, I doubt the complex wants to outlaw american flags, but perhaps they have to ban all flags to keep people from flying other flags, maybe there is like a puerto rican / mexican fued going on where they use the flags to encourage violence.
Like OMG I was TOOOTTALLLY just thinking that! It's probably like some gang stuff for sure cuz the article was about some diverse apartments, you know, mexicans and other 'cans and stuff. It's gotta be fair to totally just like not allow any flags, cuz then the gangs will be cool, like. People who complain about this probably want the 'cans to kill each other, hateful conservatives and stupid people and stuff. You probably know more about this than anyone too, like cuz of your gardner. You probably even say hey to him when you see him and stuff, like.
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Again no debate at all, just hate monguering.
My, my--aren't we apologists for idiots?
ETA: The more you post, the more I'm convinced this is you:
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yxe_kwc8klw[/youtube]
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This makes little sense to me, but perhaps its like a bloods crips kind of thing, like if there is some gang related or hate related issues here, I doubt the complex wants to outlaw american flags, but perhaps they have to ban all flags to keep people from flying other flags, maybe there is like a puerto rican / mexican fued going on where they use the flags to encourage violence.
*Facepalm*
Glossed over this did you?
"I have a problem when tenants' rights to free speech come into contact with other tenants' rights of peaceful enjoyment. This policy is not a violation of anyone's civil rights.
"We're a diverse community here, and we've had previous problems with this sort of thing," she said.
Holcomb declined to say what types of problems those were.
I'm sure the reporter could've "dug up" any incidents on the police blotter over the U.S. flag being affiliated with gang activity in the area. ::)
No, the apartment manager, Barb, is being evasive with the reporter's attempt to question it because the worthless bitch doesn't want the flag flown ANYWHERE and is wielding her meniscule, perceived "power" over the property, and by extension the tenants, to implement her anti-patriotic vision.
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*Facepalm*
Glossed over this did you?
I'm sure the reporter could've "dug up" any incidents on the police blotter over the U.S. flag being affiliated with gang activity in the area. ::)
No, the apartment manager, Barb, is being evasive with the reporter's attempt to question it because the worthless bitch doesn't want the flag flown ANYWHERE and is wielding her meniscule, perceived "power" over the property, and by extension the tenants, to implement her anti-patriotic vision.
The "manager" has recanted her "requirement", admitting she was wrong. There is no issue, aside from the fact that the "manager" is completely dipped, dredged, and molded in shit.
Shitbird (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,566740,00.html)
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Has anyone noticed that liberals think that to celebrate diversity, individuality must be relinquished?
:thatsright: :mental:
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"He's just a romping, stomping patriot," Holcomb said.
Did yall catch this gem from "Barb" at the end of the article?
What the fugg is her DU name?
:banghead: :bigbird: :wtf3:
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What a dumb****....I fly the flag on my patio and we have an HOA. I'd like to see them try this. My response would be a simple "SUE ME."
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I suppose if you had "NO FLAGS" in your lease, and you signed that lease, the apartment complex would have some sort of legal standing. Of course, the lease covers the building and not vehicles. Plus, "NO AMERICAN FLAGS" would probably not hold up in court even if it was in your lease.
I dunno, I can't figure out why these people thought they'd be able to enforce such a ban. It's stupid. And why would American flags cause "problems?" Al-qaeda cell live in the building?
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Again no debate at all, just hate monguering.
You mean like this?
KVAL News asked whether she had talked to the resident who originally went to the media with the story.
"He's just a romping, stomping patriot," Holcomb said.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/64262707.html
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The point is that they can't have a double standard, they can't say you can fly your U.S. Flag but Horatio can't fly his mexican flag, I like the American Flag and We have one outside my development, we also have an HOA and they allow you to fly a flag but you can't put up a flag pole in the yard.
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The point is that they can't have a double standard, they can't say you can fly your U.S. Flag but Horatio can't fly his mexican flag, I like the American Flag and We have one outside my development, we also have an HOA and they allow you to fly a flag but you can't put up a flag pole in the yard.
A property owner in the United States should be able to limit the types of flag displayed.
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It would be unfair to say you can fly one but not the other and if it incites violence then all being banned would make sense, i dont neccesarily agree but it just makes sense, im sure she doesnt hate america.
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It would be unfair to say you can fly one but not the other and if it incites violence then all being banned would make sense, i dont neccesarily agree but it just makes sense, im sure she doesnt hate america.
She's just a stupid bitch... Like you.
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It would be unfair to say you can fly one but not the other and if it incites violence then all being banned would make sense, i dont neccesarily agree but it just makes sense, im sure she doesnt hate america.
As Rob stated, the property owner can choose to restrict flags on their property, but not abridge the tenant's rights to speech, which is what banning vehicle flags was, without a clearly stated and previously agreed to policy in a binding contract, ie a lease.
And I think you'd be surprised to learn that in other countries, it IS illegal to fly a flag of a nation other than that country, for example Mexico. How's that for fair? We can't fly our flag if we move there legally, buy land, and pay taxes while recieving nothing from the public coffers, but a lot of them come here illegally, mooch off the system, pay no taxes, and then fly their flag anyway...
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As Rob stated, the property owner can choose to restrict flags on their property, but not abridge the tenant's rights to speech, which is what banning vehicle flags was, without a clearly stated and previously agreed to policy in a binding contract, ie a lease.
And I think you'd be surprised to learn that in other countries, it IS illegal to fly a flag of a nation other than that country, for example Mexico. How's that for fair? We can't fly our flag if we move there legally, buy land, and pay taxes while recieving nothing from the public coffers, but a lot of them come here illegally, mooch off the system, pay no taxes, and then fly their flag anyway...
Are non-citizens even allowed to buy land in Mexico? Do they allow immigrants to become citizens there? Why anyone would want to is beyond me.
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Are non-citizens even allowed to buy land in Mexico? Do they allow immigrants to become citizens there? Why anyone would want to is beyond me.
No, non-citizens can't buy land in Mexico, but they can lease it for 100 years.
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Are non-citizens even allowed to buy land in Mexico? Do they allow immigrants to become citizens there? Why anyone would want to is beyond me.
from what I understand, immigrants can become citizens if they bring enough money, but they can never vote
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Mexico may have a couple of good ideas.
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Mexico may have a couple of good ideas.
.....like sending all their "extra" citizens elsewhere for someone else to support?
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.....like sending all their "extra" citizens elsewhere for someone else to support?
I was thinking more about the "not letting immigrants vote". Having their military guard their southern border to keep illegal aliens out. Just some small things like that.
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It would be unfair to say you can fly one but not the other and if it incites violence then all being banned would make sense, i dont neccesarily agree but it just makes sense, im sure she doesnt hate america.
You know what. Lotta Twat? Esad, you unpatriotic ****in' asshole bandit! **** you! get the **** outa my country! The American Flag is just that, AMERICAN! I have no problem telling some other nation they cannot fly there flag on AMERICAN soil!
Damn! Just damn!!! I'd be in jail if some cocksucker told me I had to remove the flag off of MY property! Goes the same for some asshat who would have the gaul to agree with them!
Can't you take a hint "Asshole All of the Time"? Get ****in' lost!
Get ****ED ASSHOLE!!!!!!111111 How's that for "name calling"? Butt Nugget? Damn, how long do we have to put up with some dirty stinkin' communist POTrash?
I joined this web site for the sole purpose of getting away from freaks like this!!!111111111
edited to add.....I know criminals with more honor than this DUmb ****!
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Why don't you stop being a jerkoff and read my most recent posts, what is your problem? I never said they were right I was simply trying to submize their rationale. It must suck to be retarded.
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Are non-citizens even allowed to buy land in Mexico? Do they allow immigrants to become citizens there? Why anyone would want to is beyond me.
Mostly because pretty soon all the trash is going to be north of the border! Mexico's a damn nice place when you get into the interior where people actually WORK for a living! They may not have a lot, but they would share it in a minute if you were in need. We're gettin' the MS13 and the like. Mexico can't handle them, so they're sending 'em north!
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Why don't you stop being a jerkoff and read my most recent posts, what is your problem? I never said they were right I was simply trying to submize their rationale. It must suck to be retarded.
First off, WTF does "submize" mean?
Get ****ED!! I've read enough of your ****in' drivel to know RIGHT where your sympathies lie! You're nothing more than a liberal snake in the grass, coming here to push buttons. You rely on our policy of lettin' asshats like you speak your opinion. You could care less about facts, patriotism, or American pride. You're just here to stir up shit. That line, " I'm just here to listen" don't fly with me! I've dealt with too many creeps that think the world owes them a livin'!
You lack the courage to say what you think in public for fear of somebody puttin' a boot in your ass! At least around my neck of the woods. No doubt you live in some like minded Blue domicile. It's the only way you feel safe! You ain't foolin' me in the least! You're nothing more than a, "The government can do a better job" neophyte!
LEAVE! You're certainly not appreciated here! I've often wondered why you DUmbasses stick around us "red necks"? What are you some S&M freak?
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Its called websters, its a dictionary, you can find out meanings of the words you don't know.
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Why don't you stop being a jerkoff and read my most recent posts, what is your problem? I never said they were right I was simply trying to submize their rationale. It must suck to be retarded.
Did you possibly intend to type summize ?
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Its called websters, its a dictionary, you can find out meanings of the words you don't know.
Websters doesn't list words that you make up. I'm guessing the word you were looking for is surmise and the last definition fits you perfectly.
surmise
Dictionary: sur·mise (sər-mīz')
Home > Library > Literature & Language > Dictionary
v., -mised, -mis·ing, -mis·es.
v.tr.
To infer (something) without sufficiently conclusive evidence.
v.intr.
To make a guess or conjecture.
n.
An idea or opinion based on insufficiently conclusive evidence; a conjecture.
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Its called websters, its a dictionary, you can find out meanings of the words you don't know.
Ok, child....there's no such word as "submize". You just made yourself look like an idiot again.
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Ok, child....there's no such word as "submize". You just made yourself look like an idiot again.
She makes a regular habit of doing that.
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blah blah blah you're stupid im smart ha ha your progressive evil and im conservative saint blah blah blah so on and so on.
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blah blah blah you're stupid im smart ha ha your progressive evil and im conservative saint blah blah blah so on and so on.
You really should go back to your high school and ask them to teach you how to write properly.
It is sad that a self proclaimed college senior like yourself has such a poor grasp on the written language.
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Ok, child....there's no such word as "submize". You just made yourself look like an idiot again.
Maybe she meant surmise or summarize? Maybe she should invest in a Webster.
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It is sad that a self proclaimed college senior like yourself has such a poor grasp on the written language.
Maybe she was schooled in Florida?? :lmao:
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Maybe she was schooled in Florida?? :lmao:
Unfortunately, Floriduh doesn't have a monopoly on bad schools.
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Maybe she meant surmise or summarize? Maybe she should invest in a Webster.
Isn't modern day public education just wonderful?
A senior in college that apparently can't spell, then tells others to use Webster's?
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blah blah blah you're stupid im smart ha ha your progressive evil and im conservative saint blah blah blah so on and so on.
That's a real shame. Why did you come to this site?
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blah blah blah you're stupid im smart ha ha your progressive evil and im conservative saint blah blah blah so on and so on.
Yes, you are stupid. Now, go away.
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In the British English Language it is in fact a word, no FOAD.
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In the British English Language it is in fact a word, no FOAD.
Oxford's Unabridged says: BZZZZZZZZZZZZZTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!
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In the British English Language it is in fact a word, no FOAD.
Neither the Cambridge dictionary online, nor the Oxford dictionary online contains that word. Even so called "British words" and British spellings will show up in a good quality US dictionary, so I'm pretty sure you are wrong. If you can find us evidence that it is in fact a word, then that would be great.
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The only thing that shows up on Google, Lycos, Bing, and Yahoo searches is some software called "summize".
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:yawn:
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In the British English Language it is in fact a word, no FOAD.
Link to an online dictionary for verification?
Scan of a copy of a printed dictionary for verification?
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In the British English Language it is in fact a word, no FOAD.
I doubt it, but feel free to prove us wrong.