Primitives Discuss Hopeless Change

[Dori]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4361598

Armstead (31,836 posts)

Have things gotten really worse, or have I just become an Old Fart? 
Despite my occasional feistiness on DU over the years, I've always been an optimist underneath. One of the reasons I have been cantankerous at times is because I honestly believed we could do better. I always have felt that our country was capable of improvement.

It has been grounded in what I would describe as hopeful anger.

But something has been building up that feels fundamentally different. I got so pissed off I posted a couple of venting threads here in the last few days that were more downbeat than usual.

But thats just the tip of the iceburg. Obviously a lot of You folks on DU are pissed off and frustrated too.....But what else is new? DUers are always pissed off....But it seems much deeper now.

And its not just DU. Just about Everyone I know in the 3D world is also frustrated, angry, demoralized...hopeless at the state of things.

Heck even one of my freeper friends feel similarly.

Its gotten so bad it almost seems to be transcending the usual political stuff. It doesn't matter whether President Obama is good, bad or indifferent. ITs bigger than him. Its getting bigger than the other D vs. R battles. All that stuff seems more and more irrelevant.

It's getting bigger than individual issues. They too seem irrelevant, compared to the rate of breakdown that's occurring.

IN other words ITS BAD.

I'm 61, and I've been paying attention since the 70s. Experienced a lot if up and down cycles and periods of hope alternating with frustration.....

But I can not remember a time when it seemed this bad, or when the problems seemed so intractable.

It seems to me that we're finally reaching a point where if we don't -- as Samuel Jackson said -- Wake the **** up, we're going to cross a threshold I don't even want to think about.

Or else maybe I've just crossed a personal chronological threshold and am officially just an old fart. GET OFF MY LAWN.

Armstead (31,836 posts)

36. The thing is it is so big and deep

This current miod was triggered by TPP and the Death if the Internet...

But that just seem like the tip of sn iceburg -- the increasing slide of the middle class contrasted to the steep rise of the 1percent. The defeat of any decent policy to correct this because the rich are also grabbing all the power.

All of our systems seem designed to crush average people and further marginalize the poor,

Many specifics seem to be going in thos direction...And the political aystem is aiding and abetting it.

yeoman6987 (365 posts)

74. People are scared
 
The debt is troubling but the unfunded monies (bills) are overwhelming and only going to get worse. I don't know how we are going to fix these. It is scary for sure.

Careful DUmmie,^ that's how Rethuglicans think

SharonAnn (9,965 posts)

94. And we who are Female Old Farts, are even more distressed. Watching the freedom we

thought we had established (after many, many battles) over our own bodies being overturned and our granddaughters facing a future perhaps even worse than we had.

The thought of limiting/preventing birth control and the right to abortion is absolutely terrifying. Perhaps only a woman remembers what it was like when you had little access to control over your own life.

We're distressed about the same things the OP is AND we're distressed about what amounts to a perverted form of sexual slavery for our granddaughters.

And I'm just tired of fighting these battles over and over again. The forces against us, capitalism and religion, seem to be relentless.

Ah geeze....can't the man haters stay on their own side of the island and out of one old fart's poor me" thread? 

[jukin]

It doesn't matter whether President Obama is good, bad or indifferent. ITs bigger than him. Its getting bigger than the other D vs. R battles.

Yes it is his fault but until something goes right the media will never say it is.

[Freeper]

This is the society that they have built and they have the nerve to bitch about how bad it is.

[Carl]

Armstead is pissed he has not gotten all the free stuff he thinks he deserves.

[Traveshamockery]

Welcome to the real world, Armstead. 

Things ARE bad.  We don't know what our health insurance is going to be like next year, taxes are being disguised as "fees," and it seems like there isn't a politician around that we can trust, republican or democrat. 

[Gern]

Armstead (31,836 posts)

But what else is new? DUers are always pissed off

That's the understatement of the century.

[Karin]

The thought of limiting/preventing birth control

Nobody is doing this, you old lying sack of shit.  That was a Stephenopolous trick. 

How come this Armstead can't be more specific?  He's like IT'S BAD IT'S BAD IT'S BAD.  What is your exact beef, old fart? 

[Dori]

How come this Armstead can't be more specific?  He's like IT'S BAD IT'S BAD IT'S BAD.  What is your exact beef, old fart? 

Armstead (31,836 posts)

36. The thing is it is so big and deep

This current miod was triggered by TPP and the Death if the Internet...

But that just seem like the tip of sn iceburg -- the increasing slide of the middle class contrasted to the steep rise of the 1percent. The defeat of any decent policy to correct this because the rich are also grabbing all the power.

All of our systems seem designed to crush average people and further marginalize the poor,

Many specifics seem to be going in thos direction...And the political aystem is aiding and abetting it.

[Maxiest]

This whole middle class thing blows my mind, it really does.

I would love for someone smarter than me to do a study on money spent on luxury's by those in the middle-class or lower-class.  I am speaking as someone who considers myself from the middle-class.  I mean forget the 50" LED flat screens, iPhone's that have more processing power than my first computer in '88 or even the one I built in '96, hell even ones not 7 years ago, forget the Microwaves, forget the unlimited ultra high speed internet access.  Those are just common now and relativity cheap.

A study about the percentage spent on a vehicle, a house, or food (eating out) compared to that of the middle class in the 70's and 80's.

Also, I would have to look it up, but I have heard it quote that there are more people making more money like hundreds of thousands and millions than there ever was meaning people moving from the middle class becoming rich, why is that bad? I mean look back in the 20's when you had only a few family's that controlled everything, every bank, every railroad, talk about 1%...  What the dummies want to go back then?  Surely not...

[JGHB]

But I can not remember a time when it seemed this bad, or when the problems seemed so intractable.

I've felt that way since November, 2008.  I wonder why?

[67 Rover]

Nobody is doing this, you old lying sack of shit.  That was a Stephenopolous trick. 

How come this Armstead can't be more specific?  He's like IT'S BAD IT'S BAD IT'S BAD.  What is your exact beef, old fart? 

As sick as it may seem to some abortion is the preferred method of birth control.

[DefiantSix]

As sick as it may seem to some abortion is the preferred method of birth control.

Of course it is: how else could you discreetly take care of the evidence/consequences of your personal indiscretions, make sacrifice to appease Moloch, and build street cred with your fellow DUmbshits, all in one place?

[hillneck]

Armstead (31,836 posts)
I'm 61, and I've been paying attention since the 70s.

Just another 60's drugged out hippie that never left the sixties.

[landofconfusion80]

This whole middle class thing blows my mind, it really does.

I would love for someone smarter than me to do a study on money spent on luxury's by those in the middle-class or lower-class.  I am speaking as someone who considers myself from the middle-class.  I mean forget the 50" LED flat screens, iPhone's that have more processing power than my first computer in '88 or even the one I built in '96, hell even ones not 7 years ago, forget the Microwaves, forget the unlimited ultra high speed internet access.  Those are just common now and relativity cheap.

A study about the percentage spent on a vehicle, a house, or food (eating out) compared to that of the middle class in the 70's and 80's.

Also, I would have to look it up, but I have heard it quote that there are more people making more money like hundreds of thousands and millions than there ever was meaning people moving from the middle class becoming rich, why is that bad? I mean look back in the 20's when you had only a few family's that controlled everything, every bank, every railroad, talk about 1%...  What the dummies want to go back then?  Surely not...

Industrial progress, mechanical improvement, all of the great wonders of the modern era have meant little to the wealthy. The rich in ancient Greece would have benefited hardly at all from modern plumbing — running servants replaced running water. Television and radio — the patricians of Rome could enjoy the leading musicians and actors in their home, could have the leading artists as domestic retainers. Ready-to-wear clothing, supermarkets — all these and many other modern developments would have added little to their life. They would have welcomed the improvements in transportation and in medicine, but for the rest, the great achievements of western capitalism have rebounded primarily to the benefit of the ordinary person. These achievements have made available to the masses conveniences and amenities that were previously the exclusive prerogative of the rich and powerful. - Milton Friedman

[98ZJUSMC]

This is the society that they have built and they have the nerve to bitch about how bad it is.

Exactly and they are completely incapable of realizing it.  Oh, every once in a while, the 2 watt bulb on their heads flickers slightly, only to go dark as they dive off into some other nonsensical diatribe.   Everything they rail against is empowered, enlarged and sustained by the ever bigger government they have sought all their lives.  Look into the mirror, idiots.....

You, are the ones who are killing you.

But I can not remember a time when it seemed this bad, or when the problems seemed so intractable.

It's all yours, Jackass.

[JohnnyReb]

Wasn't Obama's campaign slogan "Hopeless and Change"?

[GOBUCKS]

Things could be a lot better, no doubt about it, but they're still pretty damn good.

The people suffering most from the jug-eared muslim's incompetence are the ones who voted for him.

That's a beautiful thing to see.

[Big Dog]

Armstead (31,836 posts)

Have things gotten really worse, or have I just become an Old Fart? 

The alter kaker DUmmy finally figured out that he's on the wrong side of King Hussein's Glorious Society. He is now a useless eater; if he falls and breaks a hip, he'll be given a bottle of Morphine pills and sent home with instructions to "not take too many at once, and definitely don't wash them down with a bottle of Scotch."

Poor alter kaker. We hardly knew ye.

[fatboy]

It seems to me that we're finally reaching a point where if we don't -- as Samuel Jackson said -- Wake the **** up, we're going to cross a threshold I don't even want to think about.

Ok, it's reaching a point. But has it reached a tipping point yet? We all know that real change; change that we can believe in doesn't happen until the coveted tipping point is reached. But in the meantime, there is always that fifth of scotch on the shelf. That, and a little woo to tide you over.

[JohnnyReb]

Hopelessness and pocket change we can all believe in and have....from the generous, gracious, supreme leader.

[jukin]

What the lower half of the population curve want is this:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/01/forward.html

FORWARD COMRADES!! It's gong to be a glorious future, GLORIOUS!!!

[GOBUCKS]

I can't wait to hear what the DUmmies have to say when they discover they're being forced to replace their fifty-cent light bulbs with seven-dollar democrat bulbs. An hour's take-home pay for a DUmmy to change a sixty-watt bulb!!

It's a change you can believe in.

If you like democrat health insurance, you're gonna love democrat light bulbs.

[Dori]

Hopelessness and pocket change we can all believe in and have....from the generous, gracious, supreme leader.

Right.  This morning on F&F they were talking about how the 1% have 95% of all the extra income earned and us peons only have seen .4% from 2009-2012.

And this is what the Demoncraps are going to run on, even though it's their policies that created this gap.

[JohnnyReb]

What the lower half of the population curve want is this:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/01/forward.html

FORWARD COMRADES!! It's gong to be a glorious future, GLORIOUS!!!

Nice article.....from someone who can see the trees despite the forest because they have been there.

It's that old childish attitude of, "Well, If I can't have some ain't nobody getting any."

[Wineslob]

http://zombo.com/