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Can I say it? F-ck Jobs!
« on: February 21, 2011, 06:49:20 PM »
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Can I say it? **** Jobs.
    

Poverty should be a non-option for ALL American citizens - employed or not, willing to be employed or not, black, white, yellow, or red, willing to watch "Dog The Bounty Hunter" or not, and regardless of ANY other consideration.

Poverty, homelessness, and starvation should simply be non-options, period. Dignified survival should not be tied to employment - and frankly, if you disagree, I think you are are a regressive, a social Darwinist, and a throwback.

Flame away, slavery-lovers.


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13. food, shelter and medical care as basic right
    I agree with you. Though the "American Dream" is about achieving wealth and success through one's own hand work one should never forget that some things are just due to luck.
Most people are not poor because they are dull or dump but because they are ill-fated.
In my opinion every human being has the right to lead a life in dignity and that includes food, shelter an health.


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14. Add a top notch education and unfettered communications and you're right

    Food and Shelter are absolute necessities of life. How can a society call itself anything but barbaric if it denies those to a growing number of millions. There are 1.5 million homeless children in America today:
---Blah Blah Blah---

Lack of proper medical care could be just as much a limitation to a child's developing their potential as lack of nutrition. We were all children once.

But I add education to the list because it is vital for our nation that we do not waste any of our potentially great minds. ---Blah Blah Blah---

We need to make a college degree a part of the education guarantee for every American child as well. –--Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah ---

Lastly, communications should be a right as well. How can we have a functioning Democracy if only the well off can afford high speed internet and the other technologies that enable us to keep track of our elected officials and corporate owned media outlets. Each citizen should have a guaranteed access to high speed internet, wifi networks, 4G, etc., in order to stay in tune with the society and to stay informed on issues.
My insert: So homeless get free computers and internet cause wasting your day with DU and Porn is a right?


An efficient, green, and reliable power grid is also implied in all of these. Our way of life would be impossible without access to electricity to power our life saving devices and our learning tools.

Great post and keep us thinking!


and there's MORE!
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5. Pride is a deadly sin
    I'm not Catholic, but I agree that it is.


There is no value in work that does not meaningfully advance the human race. And most doesn't - and that which does is generally unpaid.
Enter the heretic. Cue villainous music.
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Sherman A1  (1000+ posts)           

7. Really?
    So if I go to work, complete my assigned tasks (at a grocery store btw) and enjoy some self satisfaction in having given my employer a fair day's work for a fair's day pay (it's a union contract upon which I voted) then I have violated the sin of Pride?

Gaining self respect by earning my income through my work for these last 37 years (which btw I happen to be pretty good at) is prideful?

Enjoying conversations with my co-workers and the social interaction of same does not add to my (and hopefully their) life's experience??

Helping a customer who comes into the store where I work find a product that they want or even get a empty box or two so they can pack their kids things to go to college does not benefit society in some small way?

Interesting outlook on your part one must say.
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15. You drank the Capitalist kool-aid I see
    Where does it say that pride for a job well done has to be connected to making obscene profits for some Capitalist a-hole who couldn't care less if you live or die? Pride in a job well done is its own reward. If your company were employee-owned would you get less pride? I'd wager that you'd get a heck of a lot more pride, along with a sense of ownership, security and feeling that you are a part of something bigger than just collecting a paycheck till you are no longer of service and get tossed out on your ass like the millions of kool-aid drinkers before you. Where do you think the elderly who have no choice but to eat cat food worked before they got too old or too ill?

What the OP is saying is that there should be a larger safety net for Americans, one that puts us all on a level playing field and ensures that any and all can bounce back from a temporary bump in the road such as we're having today. You read that to mean that nobody should ever have to work. Interesting outlook on your part one must say.
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19. I'm having trouble with the reasoning here.
    A larger safety net includes all of the basic necessities of life; nutrition, shelter, clothing, medical care, etc. Such a safety net would, in fact, eliminate the perceived need for any person to work. Without work, a person would have no disposable income, but their needs would be met. Thus, of course, any kind of work becomes entirely optional. This idea assumes that a large enough cross section of people would continue to work anyway - for disposable income - that their income can be tapped to provide the basics for those who choose not to work. If that assumption proves false, it means a collapse beyond hope of recovery.
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21. "willing to be employed or not"
    From the OP.

I read that to mean that the OP advocates everyone getting shelter, food, health care, etc., even if they choose not to do anything at all.

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23. How can that be sustainable?
    Edited on Tue Oct-05-10 09:00 PM by NewMoonTherian
Wouldn't there have to be a system in place to force a certain portion of the population to continue working in order to provide for the rest?
A devestating answer for the heretic!
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29. It wouldn't be sustainable.
    It's also not sustainable to have high military spending, an increasing debt, and tax cuts.
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Xenotime (1000+ posts)        
11. Pride leads to greed and that is what the rethugs thrive on.
    Where the real problem is those who work two jobs taking money away from people who need it
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bobbolink (1000+ posts)            

17. FDR added recreation to the list in his Second Bill Of Rights.
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saras (733 posts)        

30. You can either do productive work, or you can have a job. But you can't do both.

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Re: Can I say it? F-ck Jobs!
« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2011, 06:52:19 PM »
Well, if someone else wasn't doing his job, the primitives wouldn't get those welfare checks sent to them.

What then?
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« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2011, 06:52:38 PM »
You're a Democrat. "**** Jobs" is the outcome of your policies. It is what it is.
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« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2011, 06:54:52 PM »
I don't mean the primitives wouldn't get their welfare checks because there's no money, but simply because if one wasn't doing his job, the physical action of putting the checks into envelopes and mailing them (or doing it via electronic transfers, whatever) wouldn't happen.

What then?
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Re: Can I say it? F-ck Jobs!
« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2011, 06:56:36 PM »
If no one works then their won't be food, money or any of the things we expect in the 21st century. Lets all leave our jobs and stop working to see how that works out in the end.  :thatsright:

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« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2011, 06:57:59 PM »
Lets all leave our jobs and stop working to see how that works out in the end.

Everybody but the guy sitting in an office mailing out welfare checks to the primitives, though.

We need that exception; it's a job somebody's got to do.
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Re: Can I say it? F-ck Jobs!
« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2011, 07:03:46 PM »
Well, if someone else wasn't doing his job, the primitives wouldn't get those welfare checks sent to them.

What then?

Stop adding common sense to the argument frank. :-)
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« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2011, 07:15:47 PM »
And I want a Ferrari in my driveway.....
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Re: Can I say it? F-ck Jobs!
« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2011, 07:16:47 PM »
And I want a Ferrari in my driveway.....
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« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2011, 07:17:20 PM »
Unless it's poor, stupid Beth.

Should have clarified... the car that goes vroom vroom... not that miserable biotch.
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« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2011, 07:17:51 PM »
And I want a Ferrari in my driveway.....
What kind?  I'm partial to the F430.  I know it's not the newest model, but it's so pretty. :hyper:
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« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2011, 07:20:43 PM »
What kind?  I'm partial to the F430.  I know it's not the newest model, but it's so pretty. :hyper:

Not sure, but it has to be black.  I'll decide on a model when it's time to pick out my free car.
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« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2011, 07:21:19 PM »
Finally! The DU "end-game"!  :-)
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« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2011, 07:21:44 PM »
The red ones are faster. :whistling:
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« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2011, 07:23:22 PM »
I guess selling anti-war armbands made from old sweatsocks didn't pan out for Naturyl.  On to the next bright idea... leeching off the tax payer.
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« Reply #15 on: February 21, 2011, 07:28:04 PM »
I may be naive at times, but seriously, these people actually think this way is unbelievable!!!! Why do these people think they should have things handed to them on a silver platter??? All of us work hard for what we have, why should we help those who refuse to help themselves???
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« Reply #16 on: February 21, 2011, 07:28:51 PM »
I may be naive at times, but seriously, these people actually think this way is unbelievable!!!! Why do these people think they should have things handed to them on a silver platter??? All of us work hard for what we have, why should we help those who refuse to help themselves???

Disgusting, isn't it?  Look up FDR's Second Bill of Rights.  It nearly made it into law in this country.
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« Reply #17 on: February 21, 2011, 07:33:06 PM »
I guess selling anti-war armbands made from old sweatsocks didn't pan out for Naturyl.  On to the next bright idea... leeching off the tax payer.

Was that "Naturyl"? I remember Ben Burch had some scheme where she shilled those out on his "White Rose Society" website and that never materialized.
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« Reply #18 on: February 21, 2011, 07:34:09 PM »
Was that "Naturyl"? I remember Ben Burch had some scheme where see shilled those out on his "White Rose Society" website and that never materialized.
I'm pretty sure that was her.  Burch was up for anything that would earn him a penny... I wouldn't be surprised if he helped her out.
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« Reply #19 on: February 21, 2011, 08:08:06 PM »
Should have clarified... the car that goes vroom vroom... not that miserable biotch.
Yes...I want an automobile that DOES go "vroom vroom" and not just sit in my driveway leaking some kind of genital puss.
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« Reply #20 on: February 21, 2011, 08:08:51 PM »
If no one works then their won't be food, money or any of the things we expect in the 21st century. Lets all leave our jobs and stop working to see how that works out in the end.  :thatsright:

You think conservatives are anti-jobs? The way to create jobs is to introduce incentive and get the f'n government OUT of the way. Obama is the most anti-business person we've ever had in the White House. He actually calls them enemies in his book. He HATES the private sector.
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« Reply #21 on: February 21, 2011, 08:31:30 PM »
The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation;

The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;

The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;

The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;

The right of every family to a decent home;

The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;

The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;

The right to a good education.

All of these rights spell security. And after this war is won we must be prepared to move forward, in the implementation of these rights, to new goals of human happiness and well-being.

Americas own rightful place in the world depends in large part upon how fully these and similar rights have been carried into practice for all our citizens.

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Yes ok we have rights to these, but I don't think FDR meant that the government was going to hand them over. We have to work for it. I would rather get something by honest work and feel the pride of getting there, than someone just give it to me
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« Reply #22 on: February 21, 2011, 09:04:40 PM »
What I find interesting is some of the bizarre theology that says, taking pride in your job is a sin...  :thatsright:
leave it to a God-hating DUmmie to get even the most basic Sunday School stuff wrong.

or the last quote:
"You can either do productive work, or have a job...but you can't have both." what?! What the heck did this idiot just say? productive work and a job are the same things right?

I waded in the DU cesspool for a while now and I'm still amazed by the sheer mindless utterances that spill from their mouths.
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Re: Can I say it? F-ck Jobs!
« Reply #23 on: February 21, 2011, 09:06:17 PM »
What I find interesting is some of the bizarre theology that says, taking pride in your job is a sin...  :thatsright:
leave it to a God-hating DUmmie to get even the most basic Sunday School stuff wrong.

or the last quote:
"You can either do productive work, or have a job...but you can't have both." what?! What the heck did this idiot just say? productive work and a job are the same things right?

I waded in the DU cesspool for a while now and I'm still amazed by the sheer mindless utterances that spill from their mouths.
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Productive work to the DUmmies means following your dream and doing what you like, not what contributes to society.

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« Reply #24 on: February 21, 2011, 09:30:39 PM »
I really appreciate the folks here that mine the DU for threads like this.  I can understand the average democrat mindset.  It seems nice, but it just doesn't work.  This is Twilight Zone stuff.  I can't wrap my head around the thought process.