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A New York woman has filed a $10 million lawsuit stemming from her arrest at Washington's Reagan International Airport last year, an arrest she says was unwarranted and abusive.

Police say 31-year-old Robin Kassner was obstructing justice.

Security cameras captured the incident and the video has now been made public.

Surveillance video from inside Reagan National Airport shows Robin Kassner standing with a TSA agent who sorts through her bag.

Moments later, a Metropolitan Washington Airports Authority police officer steps in and pulls Kassner to the ground.

Robin Kassner says "I was thrown across the room, into a metal chair and into a lady, and I was on the floor and realized I was being beat up."

Kassner says police officer Michael Urbina then used excessive force in handcuffing her. ...


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I hope she gets every penny. I ****ing HATE the Damn TSA.  :censored:
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Re: TSA vs. passenger tussle caught on tape, now focus of lawsuit
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2008, 07:05:12 PM »
The problem is, WE'LL be the ones that pay for the settlement, and what happens to a "company" that doesn't have to pay for it's actions? They keep ****ing doing them. We need to privatize the Damn TSA. **** YOU TOM DASCLE! You AND your ****ing wife!  :censored:
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Re: TSA vs. passenger tussle caught on tape, now focus of lawsuit
« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2008, 07:21:25 PM »
The headline of that article is a bit misleading.  I watched the video and from what I can tell no TSA officer was involved in the incident; it was airport security aka airport police that did the man handling.
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Re: TSA vs. passenger tussle caught on tape, now focus of lawsuit
« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2008, 07:25:36 PM »
Also... The article doesn't specify whom she filed the suit against.
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Re: TSA vs. passenger tussle caught on tape, now focus of lawsuit
« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2008, 07:28:03 PM »
The headline of that article is a bit misleading.  I watched the video and from what I can tell no TSA officer was involved in the incident; it was airport security aka airport police that did the man handling.

I see you don't fly much. TSA agents ARE the people that search bags, pass you through, etc. Trust me, I've racked up over 150K miles in the past few years.
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Re: TSA vs. passenger tussle caught on tape, now focus of lawsuit
« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2008, 07:41:22 PM »
The headline of that article is a bit misleading.  I watched the video and from what I can tell no TSA officer was involved in the incident; it was airport security aka airport police that did the man handling.

I see you don't fly much. TSA agents ARE the people that search bags, pass you through, etc. Trust me, I've racked up over 150K miles in the past few years.
I have 100K this year already --- qualifying miles.

It is a strange tape -- I can't tell what started the melee.
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« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2008, 07:44:42 PM »
The headline of that article is a bit misleading.  I watched the video and from what I can tell no TSA officer was involved in the incident; it was airport security aka airport police that did the man handling.

I see you don't fly much. TSA agents ARE the people that search bags, pass you through, etc. Trust me, I've racked up over 150K miles in the past few years.

I am well aware of the TSA job responsibilites and functions.  My wife is a Lead TSA Screening Officer at CMH.  

If you actually watch the video, no TSA Officer was involved.  It was the Airport police that took her down and the video even specifically states that.  The article doesn't state if or why the TSA may have contacted the airport police concerning this particular screening.

I assure you that I am not a fan of the TSA. I think it is a bloated, inefficienct government boondoogle that was created out of a knee jerk reaction to 911.  But I also will not blame them for the actions of other organizations.
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Re: TSA vs. passenger tussle caught on tape, now focus of lawsuit
« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2008, 08:03:43 PM »
Does look like one was a cop. Who called him?
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Re: TSA vs. passenger tussle caught on tape, now focus of lawsuit
« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2008, 08:08:43 PM »
Does look like one was a cop. Who called him?

All 3 men involved were cops.  As to whom called them or why...

The article doesn't say.

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Re: TSA vs. passenger tussle caught on tape, now focus of lawsuit
« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2008, 08:12:41 PM »
Damn dude, you bitchslapped me?  :lmao:
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« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2008, 08:15:02 PM »
Damn dude, you bitchslapped me?  :lmao:

If somebody did, it sure as **** wasn't me.

At least I don't think I did.
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« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2008, 08:16:01 PM »
Damn dude, you bitchslapped me?  :lmao:

If somebody did, it sure as **** wasn't me.

You're the only one I pissed off this evening. No worries. I Hi5'd you soon after.  :-)
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« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2008, 08:19:49 PM »
Damn dude, you bitchslapped me?  :lmao:

If somebody did, it sure as **** wasn't me.

You're the only one I pissed off this evening. No worries. I Hi5'd you soon after.  :-)

I'm not pissed at you.  Not even close.

Do you accuse everyone that disagrees with you as being pissed off at you?
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Re: TSA vs. passenger tussle caught on tape, now focus of lawsuit
« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2008, 08:22:43 PM »
I'm not pissed at you.  Not even close.

Do you accuse everyone that disagrees with you at being pissed off at you?

NOOOOO, dude. I didn't mean you were pissed. I was just saying you disagreed. I've had people on here pissed at me and many more that disagreed with me. 'Tis why the board is here. We are ALL going to disagree with each other from time to time. Such is life, such is the board. I meant nothing by that. You were just the only one I had a negative interaction with. Don't beat yourself up over this, damn. It won't be the first time, and it won't be the last. You find someone on this board who agrees with me 100% of the time, I'll buy you a donut.  :-)
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« Reply #14 on: July 10, 2008, 08:32:18 PM »
I'm not pissed at you.  Not even close.

Do you accuse everyone that disagrees with you at being pissed off at you?

NOOOOO, dude. I didn't mean you were pissed. I was just saying you disagreed. I've had people on here pissed at me and many more that disagreed with me. 'Tis why the board is here. We are ALL going to disagree with each other from time to time. Such is life, such is the board. I meant nothing by that. You were just the only one I had a negative interaction with. Don't beat yourself up over this, damn. It won't be the first time, and it won't be the last. You find someone on this board who agrees with me 100% of the time, I'll buy you a donut.  :-)

Is this your way of admitting you were wrong?

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Re: TSA vs. passenger tussle caught on tape, now focus of lawsuit
« Reply #15 on: July 11, 2008, 08:36:55 AM »
It's as close as you're going to get.

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« Reply #16 on: July 11, 2008, 08:55:42 AM »
Looks to me like TSA and cops.
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Re: TSA vs. passenger tussle caught on tape, now focus of lawsuit
« Reply #17 on: July 11, 2008, 09:23:29 AM »
I'm going to go totally against the grain here but first, let me say that I too HATE the TSA. I deal with them regularly at both D.C. area airports (Reagan and Dulles) and I can say that my low opinion of them is warranted.

Anyway, as others have pointed out, the officers in the video are Police, not TSA. There is a TSA officer standing beside her and it appears that he's going through her bag at a secondary screening table. As you can see, she's been pulled off to the side and I bet they wanted to scrutinize her further. You don't see when the police officers arrive. They are already standing there when the video starts. Where they called because she was unruly? Where they just standing there anyway?

My thoughts are that she probably got mouthy and belligerent. It also looks like they tried to place her into custody and she resisted. That would totally warrant to use of force. But not excessive force. It could be that a) they bungled the attempt to put her into custody b) the force was totally warranted. We can't hear what she says to the officers and the threshold for mouthing off is lower at the airport. She is still facing "obstruction of justice" charges and the disorderly conduct charge has been dismissed. Interfering with the TSA screening process is serious business.

I don't like the way it looks like she's been coached by an attorney. She's got that "pouty, look at what they did to me!" face. They did pin her down. Beat up? Hardly!!! Was it done properly? I can't say. From the video it does look at bit rough. But police officers are supposed to trained on these things and not every arrest goes by the book. Especially when you're standing on a slippery tile floor and trying not to make a scene while the person is flailing around. He grabbed her to remove her from the screening table and tried to sit her down in the chair. They slipped and she landed on her butt. She wasn't "thrown across the room". And yes, the male cop seemed to be more aggressive than the two females. You can see that she resisted the entire time though. I'd love to sit in on their meeting with their supervisor.

And how long was the verbal exchange before they attempted to arrest her? I'd love to see the whole unedited video with sound.

Now, if I'm wrong and it's found that these guys screwed up, I will be the first one in line to condemn them. Cops need all the good will they can muster and jerks who screw up don't help at all.
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« Reply #18 on: July 11, 2008, 08:56:52 PM »
This says it all :"Kassner, a Manhattan marketing executive.Pushie,arrogant,smarter than these hicks.after all I am from New York City! "

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« Reply #19 on: July 11, 2008, 09:01:18 PM »
She looks like a typical mouthy New York bitch, who when they went to put the cuffs on her "KNEW" she aint did nothing wrong, therefore it's okay to yell at the cops and try to twist around and act like a dickhead when they were trying to cuff her.

You get the forearm across the neck and the people pile when you are resisting folks.

Smart white people don't understand that when they tell you to put your hands behind your back and don't move, that it's probably a good plan to do just that.  A banger with a 57 IQ figures that out the first time he winds up getting his head bounced off the trunk of a patrol unit.

She ain't got a case.
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« Reply #20 on: July 11, 2008, 09:03:17 PM »
They never said, did she see a paramedic or go to the E.R. for the "beat down"? *eyeroll*
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« Reply #21 on: July 11, 2008, 09:33:14 PM »
They never said, did she see a paramedic or go to the E.R. for the "beat down"? *eyeroll*


She did say she thought she was going to die.

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I'm siding with the TSA cops on this one, at the very begining there is a sign passed between TSA and the metro cop, then he slams her to gain control, picks her up and does a face plant to get the cuffs on - all fairly standard I would think.

"excuse me miss could you please come with me?" could have been said, we just don't know.




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« Reply #22 on: July 11, 2008, 10:18:47 PM »
The officer was very clearly telling her to step away from the inspection table, and she turned her back on her and went back to interfering with the TSA workers hand search.

They pulled her back and she lost her balance.  When they got her up she was struggling and running her mouth.  When they hit the table she was still twisting around and refusing to comply.  Because She Ain't Did Nothing.  :whatever:

They had to cram her ass down and lie on her to get her hooked up.

If the stupid witch had complied with the instructions to step away and let the security worker do his hand search there would have been NO problems.  When someone gets erratic and starts trying to reach into the bag you are trying to search the first instinct is that they are trying to get a weapon or snatch some item of contraband they shouldn't be toting in a carry on. (Drugs anyone?)

I have watched that video about 4 times now.  She had what happened coming to her for being an uncooperative jerk.




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« Reply #23 on: July 11, 2008, 10:53:58 PM »
Ok, here it goes:


REBEL WAS WRONG! IT WAS COPS! HE SHOULD BE BITCHSLAPPED!
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« Reply #24 on: July 11, 2008, 10:56:45 PM »
Ok, here it goes:


REBEL WAS WRONG! IT WAS COPS! HE SHOULD BE BITCHSLAPPED!

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