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Re: What Have I Become? (AKA, You Were Right All Along)
« Reply #25 on: February 24, 2016, 07:06:11 PM »
Same here.  Most Dems in WV are pretty much repubs anywhere else.  Now that they are no longer in power their true colors are shining thru.  Walking out of senate committees when they don't get their way, harassing GOP senators, Wisconsin all over again.  Throwing temper tantrums. Acting like children.

I think it was more of a mind set back then than anything else.  Going on welfare was taboo... unless you were desperate. Ain't that way now. My dad told me he could not afford to send me to college when I hit 18 and if I wanted to go I was going to have to pay for it.  The thought never crossed my mind to get whatever the federal grant was.  So I went to work and went to school. 

Nowdays, all I here from the kids is that can't do anything because they are poor.

I do not know if berniesupporter is sincere... only he knows that... I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt though. Even if he is a flaming liberal he seems like good folk.   :cheersmate:

Back then, food stamps were pulled out of a coupon book. You couldn't hide it. Today, with the cards, it's swiped just like a normal debit/credit card.

Go back to the coupons. Put the stigma back. Maybe some will go get a job. (That applies to black/white/brown/green man from Mars).
Liberals disgust me. (Now I don't have to remember to put it on each post).

Because only the left goes searching for that which is not there in a desperate attempt to be offended about something.

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Re: What Have I Become? (AKA, You Were Right All Along)
« Reply #26 on: February 24, 2016, 07:14:28 PM »
Back then, food stamps were pulled out of a coupon book. You couldn't hide it. Today, with the cards, it's swiped just like a normal debit/credit card.

Go back to the coupons. Put the stigma back. Maybe some will go get a job. (That applies to black/white/brown/green man from Mars).

I would also add, don't make it so hard for a family with a mother and father to get help when one or both of them are working.

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« Reply #27 on: February 24, 2016, 07:19:35 PM »
Back then, food stamps were pulled out of a coupon book. You couldn't hide it. Today, with the cards, it's swiped just like a normal debit/credit card.

Go back to the coupons. Put the stigma back. Maybe some will go get a job. (That applies to black/white/brown/green man from Mars).

You may be right there.  I think it also may have been that you usually knew the family that owned the grocery store and the girl running the register lived up the street.  Didn't want the gossip to start.

Now days, big stores like Krogers, swipe and go. The idiot at the register could not care less. Don't even know what the price is cause it is all scanned.

I do agree with going back to the coupons.  I think certain foods should be exempt... like steak and brand name items.  Hell have a welfare aisle.  Then I think that if they got a big buggy full of beer, cigs and junk food separate from the food, then they should not be allowed food.

I think the best thing is to have a welfare store that only has the staples.  You go there... they give you the staples and that is the end of it.  That would cut down on selling the food stamps because the stamps would have the recipient's name on them.

Don't matter... people will find a way around the system no matter what.    :cheersmate:
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Re: What Have I Become? (AKA, You Were Right All Along)
« Reply #28 on: February 24, 2016, 07:22:15 PM »
I would also add, don't make it so hard for a family with a mother and father to get help when one or both of them are working.

That is a double edged sword.  Pretty much what we got now.  For lots of people, there is no incentive to better yourself because you will lose the welfare.

I really don't have the solution to that. Wish I did.

At least they are working.
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« Reply #29 on: February 24, 2016, 07:41:47 PM »
When I was 20 years old(1976), I worked at our county Dept. of Social Services. I saw generational poverty, and learned about how the system actually rewards self-destructive behavior. When a 17-year old with a baby is set up in her own apartment, given Medicaid, food stamps, and a monthly check, it can look like quite the cushy life to a kid who has grown up without much.

We had one young woman client who was pregnant, and whose baby-daddy was a minor child whose mom was collecting AFDC for him. He said he thought the two of them would have three kids, courtesy of the taxpayer, before they got married, because why should he have to worry about medical bills?

Many years later I worked for a Christian non-profit. We worked with the churches in our community to meet specific needs. Every single item we were able to give--cribs, car seats, or whatever--came because people in our churches donated because they saw the needs and chose to give.

"Stuff" wasn't all we had to offer. We were sometimes able to provide services that government agencies weren't designed to give. I got a call one day from a NICU nurse who said that a young mom in our community had given birth to triplets, and needed some HELP! I put out a notice to all of our area churches: "Baby holders needed!" with a brief description. Wow! The calls flooded in!! Women were eager to reach out to this woman; to hold, cuddle, rock, and feed those babies. I got a call from one woman who had a disability and didn't feel comfortable holding a newborn, but was willing to regularly spend some special time with the big sister, who was probably feeling a little left out.

I had one woman who offered to do laundry for the babies. The mom seemed to think she had laundry under control, but I kept that lady in mind, and a few months later when I got a call about a different mom who was undergoing medical treatment and needed some help with laundry, I gave her a call. That began a relationship that continued for years, right up until the mom passed away.

At one point one of our clients needed $100 for a pair of special order shoes for her big-footed son. No government agency has funds for that kind of thing. I, personally, reached into my pocket and gave the $100.

You know what? Giving like that blessed me, in a way that being taxed for it never would have.

I'm just letting you know that not all conservatives are heartless or greedy, or "I've got mine, so kiss my a--" types. I have seen the social problems that Johnson's "Great Society" created, and know that all social programs have unintended consequences.

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« Reply #30 on: February 24, 2016, 07:45:31 PM »
Call me skeptical but this has all the earmarks of an anti-bouncy.

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« Reply #31 on: February 24, 2016, 07:45:44 PM »
That is a double edged sword.  Pretty much what we got now.  For lots of people, there is no incentive to better yourself because you will lose the welfare.

I really don't have the solution to that. Wish I did.

At least they are working.

That's what the problem is though. Say one of the parents could work overtime once in awhile, and earn more money or maybe an advancement in his/her job, they can't do it because that one time increase from overtime can mean a big cut in aid. They can't afford the cut, so they don't take a chance at bettering themselves.

We had a guy working at our shop with 6 kids and a stay at home wife that was getting some aid. (Not sure what kind) He would work overtime, but only if the company allowed him to take some straight time off.  He worked on Sundays for OT instead of DT, and would take time off on Monday.

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« Reply #32 on: February 24, 2016, 08:10:29 PM »
That's what the problem is though. Say one of the parents could work overtime once in awhile, and earn more money or maybe an advancement in his/her job, they can't do it because that one time increase from overtime can mean a big cut in aid. They can't afford the cut, so they don't take a chance at bettering themselves.

We had a guy working at our shop with 6 kids and a stay at home wife that was getting some aid. (Not sure what kind) He would work overtime, but only if the company allowed him to take some straight time off.  He worked on Sundays for OT instead of DT, and would take time off on Monday.

Only thing I can think of is to structure it so it encourages you to move up.  Maybe the only real way is to make welfare so sucky that you want to get off it.  I don't want people that are truly in hard times to starve either.  I do not have the answer. Wish I did :shrug:

I do know that there will be a segment of the population that will take advantage no matter what you do.  They are the ones that piss me off.   :rant:
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« Reply #33 on: February 24, 2016, 10:39:41 PM »
Worst. Conversion. Ever.

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« Reply #34 on: February 24, 2016, 11:23:30 PM »
Call me skeptical but this has all the earmarks of an anti-bouncy.

 :cheersmate:  Been my thought, all along.  When the questions over specifics were repeatedly ignored yet, long drawn out posts were done as if following a script ...... yeah, well.

I'm thinking this is a (possible) class assignment.

This last post on the meeting sounds like he's meeting with Ernst Blofeld.

Excellent descriptive writing in what I suspect is your attempt to create the perfect stereotype of the evil republican business owner.  I'm starting to imagine Montgomery Burns. 

Or, that......  :-)
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Re: What Have I Become? (AKA, You Were Right All Along)
« Reply #35 on: February 25, 2016, 10:12:59 AM »
1) This is my new nickname. I figured you all would very much enjoy it.

2) I'll check in from time to time.

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« Reply #36 on: February 25, 2016, 03:43:03 PM »
:cheersmate:  Been my thought, all along.  When the questions over specifics were repeatedly ignored yet, long drawn out posts were done as if following a script ...... yeah, well.

I'm thinking this is a (possible) class assignment.



What was the guy's handle that decided he was going to write a paper on us evil rethugs?  AllenJake or something like that?  Maybe he has returned.   :lmao:
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Re: What Have I Become? (AKA, You Were Right All Along)
« Reply #37 on: February 25, 2016, 05:18:33 PM »
1) This is my new nickname. I figured you all would very much enjoy it.

2) I'll check in from time to time.

I just use tough acting tinactin to extinguish my bern........... or penicillin.....


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« Reply #38 on: February 25, 2016, 05:24:37 PM »
I just use tough acting tinactin to extinguish my bern........... or penicillin.....

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« Reply #39 on: February 25, 2016, 05:46:05 PM »
I just use tough acting tinactin to extinguish my bern........... or penicillin.....

The old days. Get a shot and take pills for 7 days, and you're cured.

I heard that from a friend.
Liberals disgust me. (Now I don't have to remember to put it on each post).

Because only the left goes searching for that which is not there in a desperate attempt to be offended about something.

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen." - Samuel Adams

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Re: What Have I Become? (AKA, You Were Right All Along)
« Reply #40 on: February 25, 2016, 05:47:10 PM »
I just use tough acting tinactin to extinguish my bern........... or penicillin.....

He's still a liberal. I'd suggest Vagisil.  :whistling:

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« Reply #41 on: February 26, 2016, 12:34:44 PM »
Now that you crossed the Rubicon, here's a little homework assignment for you:

1. In three paragraphs, defend Laissez-faire economics, viz. the Austrian school, against Keynesian economic theory.

No time limit.

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« Reply #42 on: February 26, 2016, 12:52:45 PM »
2. Complete this sentence: The greatest moral failure of Democratic Socialism is ___________.
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« Reply #43 on: February 26, 2016, 12:55:32 PM »
2. Complete this sentence: The greatest moral failure of Democratic Socialism is ___________.

The greatest moral failure of Democratic Socialism is existing.
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« Reply #44 on: February 26, 2016, 12:59:16 PM »
3. Read ths article: https://mises.org/library/what-classical-liberalism

In three paragraphs or less, contrast Classical Liberalism to Democratic Socialism.

Then, in one paragraph, defend Classical Liberalism using your previous contrast against Democratic Socialism.
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« Reply #45 on: February 26, 2016, 02:20:33 PM »
Now that you crossed the Rubicon, here's a little homework assignment for you:

1. In three paragraphs, defend Laissez-faire economics, viz. the Austrian school, against Keynesian economic theory.

No time limit.

I have no idea what any of this means.

In all honesty: Take away the "no time limit" pledge and give me a deadline for me to meet. I'll find a way to answer all of your questions. And if I miss the deadline oh well. But seriously give me one so I have some motivation here.

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« Reply #46 on: February 26, 2016, 02:31:39 PM »
I have no idea what any of this means.

In all honesty: Take away the "no time limit" pledge and give me a deadline for me to meet. I'll find a way to answer all of your questions. And if I miss the deadline oh well. But seriously give me one so I have some motivation here.

OK. You have 72 hours to research the unfamiliar terms, and answer the questions.

You may ask 'why is he being so tough'? The answer is, 'because life is tough.'

You described yourself as a convert to 'conservatism'. These questions are part of the 'ism' in conservatism.
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« Reply #47 on: February 26, 2016, 02:34:43 PM »
OK. You have 72 hours to research the unfamiliar terms, and answer the questions.

You may ask 'why is he being so tough'? The answer is, 'because life is tough.'

You described yourself as a convert to 'conservatism'. These questions are part of the 'ism' in conservatism.

I will have a response to all of this by Monday at 3:30 p.m. eastern time.

I enjoy this sort of thing a lot. This is a great way to learn. I appreciate you being tough on me.

This is the only essay question I can do, obviously.

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« Reply #48 on: February 26, 2016, 02:48:33 PM »
I will have a response to all of this by Monday at 3:30 p.m. eastern time.

I enjoy this sort of thing a lot. This is a great way to learn. I appreciate you being tough on me.

This is the only essay question I can do, obviously.

You may request an extension on time, for good cause, but I expect you to answer all three questions. The learning process is as important as the answers.

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« Reply #49 on: February 26, 2016, 04:01:33 PM »
You may request an extension on time, for good cause, but I expect you to answer all three questions. The learning process is as important as the answers.

I am tough, but fair.

But, if you have a hot redheaded sister, I'm sure that BD would grade accordingly . . . :whistling:



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