Girl, 12, wins sex change

[bijou]

A JUDGE has allowed a 12-year-old Victorian girl to start a taxpayer-funded sex swap, despite objections from the child's father.

The girl has begun court-approved hormone treatment in the first step toward a complete gender switch.

The Family Court orders also permit the girl, who cannot be named, to apply for a new birth certificate, passport and Medicare card in a boy's name.

The application to allow the hormone treatment was lodged by the girl's mother.

A state government observer, an endocrinologist, a psychiatrist, a family counsellor and a lawyer acting on the child's behalf all supported the plan.

Only her father, who lives interstate, opposed the proposed sex change, though he did not attend the final court hearing and could not afford to send a lawyer on his behalf.

The court was told he could not accept that his daughter had always seen herself as a boy and considered her too young to make such a decision.

The mother expressed sadness and deep concern for her daughter, but said she would stand by the girl.

The child's lawyer told the court she considered the girl capable of making an informed decision.

The girl is one of the youngest patients in Australia granted permission to begin a sex swap.

The court was told early intervention was needed because the child was stressed and anxious at the prospect of starting her period and had threatened self-harm.

Hormones implanted under her skin every three months will stop her menstruating and prevent her hips and breasts growing.

The court heard the hormone therapy was reversible and would give the family "breathing time".
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http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23752811-661,00.html

[Tess Anderson]

This is what socialized medicine will get you? I'll pass.

A twelve-year-old has no business even knowing what a "sex-change" is. This will never, ever make her a man, just some uber-dyke. Her mother should be shot for agreeing to this.

[Wretched Excess]

good heavens.  when I was 12, my biggest problem was trying to hit a curveball.  how in the hell can
you make that kind of decision when you are 12?

[Chris_]

good heavens.  when I was 12, my biggest problem was trying to hit a curveball.  how in the hell can
you make that kind of decision when you are 12?

You can't.  This decision is an atrocity.

[Wretched Excess]

good heavens.  when I was 12, my biggest problem was trying to hit a curveball.  how in the hell can
you make that kind of decision when you are 12?

You can't.  This decision is an atrocity.

 . . . and her mother is involved, but doing this over her father's objections.  good heavens, it doesn't get any more
tragic than that.

did you say you were in mexico this week, by the way?  or was that someone else?

[Chris_]

good heavens.  when I was 12, my biggest problem was trying to hit a curveball.  how in the hell can
you make that kind of decision when you are 12?

You can't.  This decision is an atrocity.

 . . . and her mother is involved, but doing this over her father's objections.  good heavens, it doesn't get any more
tragic than that.

did you say you were in mexico this week, by the way?  or was that someone else?

That was me -- Jamaica week before last, Mexico (Puerto Vallarta) last week. :)

[bijou]

This is what socialized medicine will get you? I'll pass.

A twelve-year-old has no business even knowing what a "sex-change" is. This will never, ever make her a man, just some uber-dyke. Her mother should be shot for agreeing to this.

Perhaps if the mother had taken some time to talk to and support her daughter through the pre-puberty/puberty process this nonsense could have been avoided.

[Wretched Excess]

good heavens.  when I was 12, my biggest problem was trying to hit a curveball.  how in the hell can
you make that kind of decision when you are 12?

You can't.  This decision is an atrocity.

 . . . and her mother is involved, but doing this over her father's objections.  good heavens, it doesn't get any more
tragic than that.

did you say you were in mexico this week, by the way?  or was that someone else?

That was me -- Jamaica week before last, Mexico (Puerto Vallarta) last week.

ah.  that answers that.  I was wondering where that jamaican traffic was coming from. 

thanks.

[Wretched Excess]

This is what socialized medicine will get you? I'll pass.

A twelve-year-old has no business even knowing what a "sex-change" is. This will never, ever make her a man, just some uber-dyke. Her mother should be shot for agreeing to this.

Perhaps if the mother had taken some time to talk to and support her daughter through the pre-puberty/puberty process this nonsense could have been avoided.

you have to wonder if mommy has issues, too.

[Schadenfreude]

This is what socialized medicine will get you? I'll pass.

A twelve-year-old has no business even knowing what a "sex-change" is. This will never, ever make her a man, just some uber-dyke. Her mother should be shot for agreeing to this.

Yes..... just pondering the process from female to male. I think it may be easier to cut one off than to sew one on. 

[Schadenfreude]

This is what socialized medicine will get you? I'll pass.

A twelve-year-old has no business even knowing what a "sex-change" is. This will never, ever make her a man, just some uber-dyke. Her mother should be shot for agreeing to this.

Perhaps if the mother had taken some time to talk to and support her daughter through the pre-puberty/puberty process this nonsense could have been avoided.

you have to wonder if mommy has issues, too.

You think? Actually, there are rare cases where gender is somewhat arbitrary. I suppose if this is one such case (no I haven't read the article), I would support it. Sometimes it's easy to judge, not so easy to live it.

[Wretched Excess]

This is what socialized medicine will get you? I'll pass.

A twelve-year-old has no business even knowing what a "sex-change" is. This will never, ever make her a man, just some uber-dyke. Her mother should be shot for agreeing to this.

Yes..... just pondering the process from female to male. I think it may be easier to cut one off than to sew one on. 

ouch.  I wonder how long it will be before there are dork donors?  I would think there wold be a 50-50 split between cutter-offers and sewers-onners.  so to speak.

[Schadenfreude]

This is what socialized medicine will get you? I'll pass.

A twelve-year-old has no business even knowing what a "sex-change" is. This will never, ever make her a man, just some uber-dyke. Her mother should be shot for agreeing to this.

Yes..... just pondering the process from female to male. I think it may be easier to cut one off than to sew one on. 

ouch.  I wonder how long it will be before there are dork donors?  I would think there wold be a 50-50 split between cutter-offers and sewers-onners.  so to speak.

Especially a dead dork... on ice. 

[Rebel]

....and to think, we used to just let Tom Boys grow out of it. 

[Schadenfreude]

....and to think, we used to just let Tom Boys grow out of it. 

and become Rosie O'Doodies. 

[Wretched Excess]

This is what socialized medicine will get you? I'll pass.

A twelve-year-old has no business even knowing what a "sex-change" is. This will never, ever make her a man, just some uber-dyke. Her mother should be shot for agreeing to this.

Perhaps if the mother had taken some time to talk to and support her daughter through the pre-puberty/puberty process this nonsense could have been avoided.

you have to wonder if mommy has issues, too.

You think? Actually, there are rare cases where gender is somewhat arbitrary. I suppose if this is one such case (no I haven't read the article), I would support it. Sometimes it's easy to judge, not so easy to live it.

I saw something on "difficult to classify sexuality" on the science channel not too long ago.  but they dealt primarily with
difficulties surrounding physical characteristics.  but, yeah, I get your point.  there are those cases, of course.

[Chris_]

good heavens.  when I was 12, my biggest problem was trying to hit a curveball.  how in the hell can
you make that kind of decision when you are 12?

You can't.  This decision is an atrocity.

 . . . and her mother is involved, but doing this over her father's objections.  good heavens, it doesn't get any more
tragic than that.

did you say you were in mexico this week, by the way?  or was that someone else?

That was me -- Jamaica week before last, Mexico (Puerto Vallarta) last week. :)

ah.  that answers that.  I was wondering where that jamaican traffic was coming from. 

thanks.

Ya Man -- no problem.

[Wretched Excess]

This is what socialized medicine will get you? I'll pass.

A twelve-year-old has no business even knowing what a "sex-change" is. This will never, ever make her a man, just some uber-dyke. Her mother should be shot for agreeing to this.

Yes..... just pondering the process from female to male. I think it may be easier to cut one off than to sew one on. 

ouch.  I wonder how long it will be before there are dork donors?  I would think there wold be a 50-50 split between cutter-offers and sewers-onners.  so to speak.

Especially a dead dork... on ice. 

you're bad.  I was thinking about men-to-women-transformers being donors.  "dork recycling", so to speak.  I hadn't even considered dead dork donors.

[Schadenfreude]

This is what socialized medicine will get you? I'll pass.

A twelve-year-old has no business even knowing what a "sex-change" is. This will never, ever make her a man, just some uber-dyke. Her mother should be shot for agreeing to this.

Yes..... just pondering the process from female to male. I think it may be easier to cut one off than to sew one on. 

ouch.  I wonder how long it will be before there are dork donors?  I would think there wold be a 50-50 split between cutter-offers and sewers-onners.  so to speak.

Especially a dead dork... on ice. 

you're bad.  I was thinking about men-to-women-transformers being donors.  "dork recycling", so to speak.  I hadn't even considered dead dork donors.

Oh, you were talking about wholesale dork trade. 

[Wretched Excess]

This is what socialized medicine will get you? I'll pass.

A twelve-year-old has no business even knowing what a "sex-change" is. This will never, ever make her a man, just some uber-dyke. Her mother should be shot for agreeing to this.

Yes..... just pondering the process from female to male. I think it may be easier to cut one off than to sew one on. 

ouch.  I wonder how long it will be before there are dork donors?  I would think there wold be a 50-50 split between cutter-offers and sewers-onners.  so to speak.

Especially a dead dork... on ice. 

you're bad.  I was thinking about men-to-women-transformers being donors.  "dork recycling", so to speak.  I hadn't even considered dead dork donors.

Oh, you were talking about wholesale dork trade. 

yep.  an exchange, or sorts.

[Chris_]

good heavens.  when I was 12, my biggest problem was trying to hit a curveball.  how in the hell can
you make that kind of decision when you are 12?

Mine too. I'm no fan of child services but they should be looking into this. There is definitely some abuse going on there.

[jtyangel]

so the answer for the counselor and the psychiatrist to someone who threatens themselves with bodily harm over a natural process is to allow the child to do something that will only make htem more unstable(initiate treatment with unnecessary and unnatural(for a girl) hormones). Yeah, that sounds like a stable course of action and mom sounds like she gave up her parenting responsibilities a long time ago and is allowing a mentally ill child to manipulate her. What a mess!

[jtyangel]

This is what socialized medicine will get you? I'll pass.

A twelve-year-old has no business even knowing what a "sex-change" is. This will never, ever make her a man, just some uber-dyke. Her mother should be shot for agreeing to this.

Yes..... just pondering the process from female to male. I think it may be easier to cut one off than to sew one on. 

Doppelganger

[Schadenfreude]

This is what socialized medicine will get you? I'll pass.

A twelve-year-old has no business even knowing what a "sex-change" is. This will never, ever make her a man, just some uber-dyke. Her mother should be shot for agreeing to this.

Yes..... just pondering the process from female to male. I think it may be easier to cut one off than to sew one on. 

Doppelganger

I totally forgot about that..... 

[jtyangel]

This is what socialized medicine will get you? I'll pass.

A twelve-year-old has no business even knowing what a "sex-change" is. This will never, ever make her a man, just some uber-dyke. Her mother should be shot for agreeing to this.

Yes..... just pondering the process from female to male. I think it may be easier to cut one off than to sew one on. 

Doppelganger

I totally forgot about that..... 

Until you made the sew it on comment, I had too