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Interests => Living Off of the Grid & Survivalism => Topic started by: LC EFA on January 07, 2010, 03:31:56 AM
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Bug-out bags and boxes. What you have and what you want.
Truth be told my bugout boxes are the same as my long range camping / bush boxes. The lot can be loaded onto my pickup in a matter of minutes.
There is a "camp box" which contains most of the fundamentals of the campsite and kitchen for a group of 2-4 people.
There is a personal box which contains the personal gear for both people travelling in the vehicle, including ammunition.
Last is the toolbox - which has obviously tools and recovery equipment in it.
The "camp box" contains :
Shelter :
16 heavy tent pegs (1/2"X18") , 8 double ended tentropes , 1lb lump hammer
8 Telescopic Square poles (5' closed - 9' open) 1" section.
2 X 100feet 1/2" poly rope
30'X30' heavy poly tarpaulin
10'X15' heavy poly tarpaulin
30X30 heavy plastic groundsheet
Single Queen bed size mosquito netting
2 "man" tent.
Kitchen :
2 X plastic chopping board.
Long BBQ spatula, Long BBQ tongs, Short Serving tongs
6 X sets eating utensils - S/S (meat knife , fork , spoon ), 3 Teaspoons , serving spoon , potato masher
Large Kitchen kinfe, Small kitchen knife, Filliting knife
Diamond Steel ,Ceramic Steel, Oil stone (Lansky kit)
4X Small S/S bowl, 4X Large S/S bowl, 2 very large S/S bowls , 8 S/S plates
6X reusable temperature resistant plastic cups, 6X S/S cups, 4X S/S Double wall mugs
Small , medium and large dutch ovens with removable S/S racks
Small and large cast iron metal handle fry pans
Pot lifter.
1L and 4 liter pressed aluminum pots (known here as a billy)
2X 20 liter plastic tubs
Bottle opener
Can opener
Lighting
12-240V 600W inverter
240V light string with CFL bulbs - 8 spare bulbs.
2X 240v Waterproof full length fluro lightsticks.
Cooking
Aerosol style portable gas stove - 6 spare cans gas
Misc
300meters binding cord
50 Large cable ties
Large can mosquito repellent
50 pack mosquito coils with container
6 Rolls TP
Washing up detergent
50 Long matches
10X 50pack matches
5X bath soap
Roll of garbage bags
Folding latrine seat
20L plastic "solar shower" bag and fittings.
Water purification (Chlorine) tablets
Potassium Permanganate crystals.
Dustpan brush
Roll of disposable kitchen wipes
Scourer
Pot Brush.
50 meter roll Aluminum foil
I wants :
None for this section.
[more to follow]
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Bugout Toolbox (also vehicle toolbox) - Includes loose of vehicle mounted tools.
Vehicle Recovery bag (snatch strap, tow strap, tree protector, rated shackles, winch doubler / pulley, gloves )
Hatchet
Hacksaw (X2 spare blades)
2LB Broad Axe
Bush Saw (X1 spare blade)
Full metric and imperial socket and spanner sets to 1 1/2 inch
Breaker Bar
Crowbar
Chainsaw , Bar oil , 2 stroke oil , Files and file guide , spare chain , felling wedges
Machete (Actually something called a Cane Knife - but used for similar tasks)
Long handle shovel
Multimeter
Solder , Butane soldering iron , wire , spare fuses , spare battery terminal
Tire lever
Folding wheel brace
12V Tire compressor
Tire Pressure gauge and fast deflater
High temperature sealant
WD-40
Long nose Pliers
Side Cutters
Regular pliers
Thread Tape
Insulation tape
Fencing wire
Hi-lift jack
I wants -
Tire pliers and bead breaker
Puncture repair kit too off-road standards
Spare wheel studs
Exhaust Bog bag
Hand winch and cables / accessories
Collapsing sand anchor for winching
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Bug out box for the unprepared: many guns and lots of ammo...takeover WAL-MART.
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I don't bug out. People from Boston and Manch-Vegas bug out to me. Canned food and shotguns. I'm good.
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What if your vehicle doesn't work (for whatever reason) and you have to carry everything on your back?? What then??
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What if your vehicle doesn't work (for whatever reason) and you have to carry everything on your back?? What then??
Just hit a car dealership.
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What if your vehicle doesn't work (for whatever reason) and you have to carry everything on your back?? What then??
You capture some (wink-wink) local "donkeys" to pull the wagon. Then shoot and eat them when you get where you're going....remember to eat the white ones last ....experts say they taste funny, you know.
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What if your vehicle doesn't work (for whatever reason) and you have to carry everything on your back?? What then??
Should that happen then I'm unprepared - and deserve to lose.
Seriously though -
I have a camelbak backpack which has a first aid kit, waterproof matches, wire saw , water purification tablets, some barley sugar cubes, some muesli bars, 2 10'X10' disposable painting drop sheets (shelter) , some cord, and a bottle of soluble multivitamens in it.
Added to that is my hunting belt - which has two large knives - one a stabber and one a cutter - a couple of folding knives and a Gerber multi tool.
Load up all the ammo in the house , grab the tacklebox , the rifle and the fishing rod and maybe a couple of other bits and pieces from the house.
Climate is warm - hot all year round so no need to deal with cold weather issues (which I'm not real learned on). Plenty of fresh water - and plenty of forage meat. Once away from the populated areas there's enough forage fruits and meats to sustain life at least for a while.
Quality of life just isn't the same without the 3/4 ton or so of gear I'm used to having for extended trips away from civilization.
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Guns and ammo
Tent Cabela's alaska guide
Sleeping bags Good ones slumberjack -15
Trioxine lots of it
Mess kit
firestarter flint
Knives
lots of spices
water filters 2 msr waterworks
5 gal colapisable container
first aid
flash lights good little ones
good change of clothes
as many mre's as I can carry
all packed in 2 back packs and a duffel
yamaha 400 4 wheel drive and Ford ranger 4 wd w/30 extra gal gas
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Just hit a car dealership.
See the new thread I just posted? heh....
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Already being in the country, I'm not planning on going anywhere. Of course since Plan A doesn't always work out perfectly, everyone able-bodied has a backpack with the essentials for three days, which includes zeroed survival firearms with appropriate ammo and cleaning supplies (Not warfighting gear), three days of compact and high-nutrition food, various fire, signal, light and aid supplies, a poncho and liner, minor tools and sharp things including a compact E-tool, a fishing kit including a gigging fork head, a metal pot, pan, cup, two full GI canteens, and an Ontario machete in a plastic sheath. There's one more bag in one of the trucks with a small tent, larger pioneer tools, climbing rope, a heavy-duty aid kit, and other goodies.
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Already being in the country, I'm not planning on going anywhere. Of course since Plan A doesn't always work out perfectly, everyone able-bodied has a backpack with the essentials for three days, which includes zeroed survival firearms with appropriate ammo and cleaning supplies (Not warfighting gear), three days of compact and high-nutrition food, various fire, signal, light and aid supplies, a poncho and liner, minor tools and sharp things including a compact E-tool, a fishing kit including a gigging fork head, a metal pot, pan, cup, two full GI canteens, and an Ontario machete in a plastic sheath. There's one more bag in one of the trucks with a small tent, larger pioneer tools, climbing rope, a heavy-duty aid kit, and other goodies.
All this is male thinking, and is solo. No wife, girlfriend or kids for this---this is all about you.
Unfortunately few family's of more then 2 have any chance to survive.
Any Man Woman, Man Man or Woman and Women have to protect anyone other then themselves the odds of their survival drop drastically.
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All this is male thinking, and is solo. No wife, girlfriend or kids for this---this is all about you.
Unfortunately few family's of more then 2 have any chance to survive.
Any Man Woman, Man Man or Woman and Women have to protect anyone other then themselves the odds of their survival drop drastically.
Bite me.
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All this is male thinking, and is solo. No wife, girlfriend or kids for this---this is all about you.
Unfortunately few family's of more then 2 have any chance to survive.
Any Man Woman, Man Man or Woman and Women have to protect anyone other then themselves the odds of their survival drop drastically.
:wtf2: :mental:
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Thor, I have to say your reply was a bit more diplomatic than mine, but I think we're on the same wavelength here. :-)
Just for the record, though, I don't think she even understood what she was over-reacting to. My Plan A is to sit tight and protect the homestead, it's pretty hard to get more family-oriented than that. But, as we all know (Well, all but one apparently), 'Plan A' does not always work out perfectly. That's why I have the packs for everyone able (Not just males) to grab and move out if it has to come to that.
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I just noticed that no one, on this particular thread anyway, has mentioned any type of communication device, such as ham or cb radio. Thoughts? I am specifically trying to set up my "bag" so-to-speak, with things that will not be affected adversely in a loss of electrical power.
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Thor, I have to say your reply was a bit more diplomatic than mine, but I think we're on the same wavelength here. :-)
Just for the record, though, I don't think she even understood what she was over-reacting to. My Plan A is to sit tight and protect the homestead, it's pretty hard to get more family-oriented than that. But, as we all know (Well, all but one apparently), 'Plan A' does not always work out perfectly. That's why I have the packs for everyone able (Not just males) to grab and move out if it has to come to that.
Obviously not just males, what would be the point otherwise?
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CB radios are the most common. Everyone can use those without a license. Ham radios reach further, but those require a license to own and operate, at least right now. The test is quite difficult for those who don't know electronics. The problem with those is when electricity goes out, they will only operate for a short time on battery back up or battery power. Eventually, without electricity, those, too, will die out. For the short term, I'd opt for a CB radio. Then again, it all depends on what causes the disaster. If it's an EMP burst, then most electronics won't work, period. Even automobiles with computers will be dead. That means one really needs a pre 78 automobile or truck.
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CB radios are the most common. Everyone can use those without a license. Ham radios reach further, but those require a license to own and operate, at least right now. The test is quite difficult for those who don't know electronics. The problem with those is when electricity goes out, they will only operate for a short time on battery back up or battery power. Eventually, without electricity, those, too, will die out. For the short term, I'd opt for a CB radio. Then again, it all depends on what causes the disaster. If it's an EMP burst, then most electronics won't work, period. Even automobiles with computers will be dead. That means one really needs a pre 78 automobile or truck.
Yup. That was my deduction as well. Vehicle was alot easier than communication.
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IassaFTots, for me, that one's on the borderline of good idea vs. one more thing in a full pack. If I lived in hurricane or floodplain country where reception was good and the major risk of disaster was a super-hurricane, 500 year flood, or storm surge, and evacuation was a more-typical preparedness issue, I'd be a lot more likely to add it (Probably the lightest multi-power-including-hand-crank type I could get).
The kind of disasters for which I would have to head for the woods from my homestead are more like the kind of things for which there isn't likely to be a recall message, or anything much to stay tuned-in to hear, for a very long time, though, so vehicle AM/FM radios will do for lesser problems. There isn't really anyone I foresee wanting to reach badly enough to merit a transmitter, and advertising one's presence intentionally or not with transmissions has an awful lot of down-side potential, depending on the scenario.
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Being in the 'burbs of Albany, my wife and I actually have given this some consideration. We haven't really done anything about it yet, other than to discuss that we'd meet in a recognizable place in Albany, then go (home) from there, and try to get our daughter out of day care . . . which, if things were starting to get really bad, we wouldn't be anywhere near Albany in the first place. If both our cars still had functional electrical systems (in an EMP situation, that would not be the case), we'd be able to go somewhere--but where? We don't really have an alternate location to go to yet. My feeling would be that we'd try to get to the apartment, and quickly organize the residents into some sort of functioning "committee of vigilance," or something like that.
SurvivalBlog.com has a fair amount of good stuff on topics like this.
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There isn't really anyone I foresee wanting to reach badly enough to merit a transmitter, and advertising one's presence intentionally or not with transmissions has an awful lot of down-side potential, depending on the scenario.
That was along my way of thinking. I was thinking about something, like a CB, in the event the SHTF, and you needed immediate communication with someone to circle the wagons or something like that. But, after the fact, unless there was room, it really wouldn't be needed, and yeah, there is a good chance that am/fm, might just work for info gathering, as needed. The one thing I know for sure is that I know where to meet my peeps.
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It would be nice to live in a very rural area with a bunch of like-minded folks. Then you can even take turns watching the road.
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It would be nice to live in a very rural area with a bunch of like-minded folks. Then you can even take turns watching the road.
Kind of like where I live. It's a neighborhood close to river & lake that has two roads in. My intention would be to gather the neighborhood together, establish perimeter watches and restrict access to the neighborhood to those that live here. (ID required type deal) Guests would be allowed in, but the patrols would need to be notified by the resident inviting the guest in advance. Otherwise, no entry and lethal force would be utilized. (in a SHTF situation). Plenty of good stuff in the immediate area, so folks could survive in relative peace.
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Kind of like where I live. It's a neighborhood close to river & lake that has two roads in. My intention would be to gather the neighborhood together, establish perimeter watches and restrict access to the neighborhood to those that live here. (ID required type deal) Guests would be allowed in, but the patrols would need to be notified by the resident inviting the guest in advance. Otherwise, no entry and lethal force would be utilized. (in a SHTF situation). Plenty of good stuff in the immediate area, so folks could survive in relative peace.
Sounds like a plan.
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I just noticed that no one, on this particular thread anyway, has mentioned any type of communication device, such as ham or cb radio. Thoughts? I am specifically trying to set up my "bag" so-to-speak, with things that will not be affected adversely in a loss of electrical power.
I have an ICOM 40 channel UHF Hand held Transceiver for convoy and highway communications. It's easily charged from any 12 V source. This is the radio I carry when hunting or trekking around in the bush with a metal detector to communicate back to base camp.
Thinking to invest in a hand held scanner as that's a passive means to monitor most of the spectrum - which can be useful if there's anyone out there transmitting.
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I have an ICOM 40 channel UHF Hand held Transceiver for convoy and highway communications. It's easily charged from any 12 V source. This is the radio I carry when hunting or trekking around in the bush with a metal detector to communicate back to base camp.
Thinking to invest in a hand held scanner as that's a passive means to monitor most of the spectrum - which can be useful if there's anyone out there transmitting.
What happens when you run out of viable 12v sources??
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What happens when you run out of viable 12v sources??
Make one or "recover" one from the ashes of society. :-)
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Given solar chargers, the existing supply of 12v auto batteries should easily last for a couple of decades, but on top of that there are always means like the hand-crank military generators for radios you may have seen in old WWII movies to directly power the set or recharge batts; a US one would really be a collectors item, but I think some Red Chinese or Warsaw Pact ones of more recent vintage can be found in the milsurp market still. It would not be very hard to make something equivalent (But heavier and uglier) from left-over auto and bike parts.
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I don't bug out. People from Boston and Manch-Vegas bug out to me. Canned food and shotguns. I'm good.
Exactly, I'm not going anywhere. I have enough propane and kerosene in my tanks to last about two years, and good fishing in Lake Champlain to supplement the canned food.
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Exactly, I'm not going anywhere. I have enough propane and kerosene in my tanks to last about two years, and good fishing in Lake Champlain to supplement the canned food.
I have reread this from the start and I still don't know how you guys could survive more then a couple of years in a SHTF situation.
All of America has seasons, even Hawaii has wet and dry season.
One can bring all the freezed dry food with them but they still need a water source to prepare the food . A hand iron wok to cook the food is light and can be used over a camp fire. But most sources of water, streams and lakes are not a good choice to get water from unless you boil it first.
Depending on the reason for bugging out, it may not be a good idea to hunt animals for food. One never knows what they ate or drank.
I am trying to remember the 3 necessary requirements for people to survive.
Food + water
shelter
clothing.
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Ummm . . . vesta, ain't that four things?
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Ummm . . . vesta, ain't that four things?
NOPE, just 3, food and water goes together one cannot live with one of them missing.
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Actually vesta, any survival trainer or even experienced backpacker or primitive camper will tell you otherwise.
The average adult American in good health and getting typical nutrition can easily go a week without food with no permanent ill effects. Of course it's extremely unpleasant and your level of energy output has to be minimized.
Water is an entirely different matter, without it in the wrong conditions you can be dying of heat stroke within 12 hours, and carrying it with you is a much bigger problem than food represents due to its high weight per volume and liquid nature.
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Knowing where a water source is is important - that and having the proper supplies to purify it the best way you can.
This can be tablets, bleach, or the knowledge/tools to make a fire.
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Knowing where a water source is is important - that and having the proper supplies to purify it the best way you can.
This can be tablets, bleach, or the knowledge/tools to make a fire.
A solar Still - while grossly inefficient is very easy to build, and if built right can decontaminate most water sources (I still boil water collected from one for a good 10 minutes before cooling to drink.
Tablets and bleach are only going to be viable for a limited time (while available so to speak) and aren't very effective with water that has a high turbidity or has chemical pollutants in it.
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Do ya all not have waterfilters? The MSR waterworks I have on my list can make a mud puddle drinkable. I have done alot of wilderness camping and never worried about water. Off course I aways bring 2 and a rebuild kit just in case.