YESH! We Have Calls for Opeachment!

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

paparush  (1000+ posts)      Sat Apr-11-09 01:52 PM
Original message
Obama and Habeas Corpus - Then and Now
 Back in February, the Obama administration shocked many civil libertarians by filing a brief in federal court that, in two sentences, declared that it embraced the most extremist Bush theory on this issue -- the Obama DOJ argued, as The New York Times's Charlie Savage put it, "that military detainees in Afghanistan have no legal right to challenge their imprisonment there, embracing a key argument of former President Bush’s legal team." Remember: these are not prisoners captured in Afghanistan on a battlefield. Many of them have nothing to do with Afghanistan and were captured far, far away from that country -- abducted from their homes and workplaces -- and then flown to Bagram to be imprisoned. Indeed, the Bagram detainees in the particular case in which the Obama DOJ filed its brief were Yemenis and Tunisians captured outside of Afghanistan (in Thailand or the UAE, for instance) and then flown to Bagram and locked away there as much as six years without any charges. That is what the Obama DOJ defended, and they argued that those individuals can be imprisoned indefinitely with no rights of any kind -- as long as they are kept in Bagram rather than Guantanamo.

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So that Barack Obama -- the one trying to convince Democrats to make him their nominee and then their President -- said that abducting people and imprisoning them without charges was (a) un-American; (b) tyrannical; (c) unnecessary to fight Terrorism; (d) a potent means for stoking anti-Americanism and fueling Terrorism; (e) a means of endangering captured American troops, Americans traveling abroad and Americans generally; and (f) a violent betrayal of core, centuries-old Western principles of justice. But today's Barack Obama, safely ensconced in the White House, fights tooth and nail to preserve his power to do exactly that.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/04/11/bagra... 

Davis_X_Machina  (1000+ posts)      Sat Apr-11-09 01:55 PM
Response to Original message
1. Impeachment...
 ...starts in the House Judiciary Committee. Their addresses are here.

Start writing. If you're serious, it's what needs to get done.

Why Syzygy  (1000+ posts)        Sat Apr-11-09 03:39 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. That won't happen ..
 but the Dems better galldurn well have a STRONG candidate in 2012. 

cali  (1000+ posts)        Sat Apr-11-09 03:42 PM
Response to Reply #1
3. really? you think that's what needs to be done?

Davis_X_Machina  (1000+ posts)      Sat Apr-11-09 11:31 PM
Response to Reply #3
5. IF...
 ...you really believe that Obama's not faithfully executing the law, then yes.

Oh, he's executing it alright. He didn't even offer it a last cigarette and blind fold.

stillcool  (1000+ posts)        Sun Apr-12-09 12:39 AM
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6. I am certain that eventually...
 the prisoners in Afghanistan as well as the detainee's will be able to sue the U.S.Government, in a U.S. Court. I think they should allow these suits, and open the flood-gates for the rest that are coming..the sooner the better. I can understand why the government would defend itself, especially if they have not completely gone over the 'facts'. That said..I think you're right. Impeachment is definitely in order. The sooner the better for that too.

US law predominates the world over? Who knew?

uponit7771  (1000+ posts)      Sun Apr-12-09 12:48 AM
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7. You sure this isn't ANOTHER knee jerk article? We've seen plenty....

Glenn Greewald, not give L'il 'O the benefit of the doubt?

leftofthedial  (1000+ posts)      Sun Apr-12-09 02:33 AM
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8. I think Mr. Obama has undergone some sort of fundamental change in philosophy. 
 Perhaps the military industrial MIB have had a talk with him.

For a fan of Rick Warren, Obama's getting pretty good at switching sides. 

All your POTUS are belong to us.

ima_sinnic (1000+ posts)      Sun Apr-12-09 03:29 AM
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9. K&R -- tired of this issue falling on deaf ears
 no matter how hard I try, I just cannot get all happy-face about someone continuing with the human rights abuses and unconstitutional, illegal activities of his predecessor, with the smug attitude, apparently, that he can do whatever he wants because he has such huge "popular support." These are a taint on what promised to be an enlightened presidency, a poison that will eventually erode that support to disdain and resistance, if he doesn't goddam do something about them. He himself said on the first day that the world was watching--well, it hasn't looked away yet.

LittleBlue (1000+ posts)      Sun Apr-12-09 04:32 AM
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10. He won't talk to us honestly about why. He just asserts more of the Bush imperial power crap
 and I'm tired of it.

Again, he will have a hard time pulling his base together in 2012 if he keeps this shit up. 

Political Heretic  (1000+ posts)        Sun Apr-12-09 04:49 AM
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12. He is making the problem worse by offerning no explanation on the MANY seeming reversals
 Note the use of the word "seeming." Not all of us necessarily understand entirely what is going on. It's too bad that once again it feels like we are dealing with an opaque administration rather than a transparent one. 

He's smarter than you and that is all YOU need to know.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8335315

[Crazy Horse]

Damn only three months and they want Dumbo impeached

[thundley4]

How many tombstones are being carved?

[Lord Undies]

Political Heretic  (1000+ posts)        Sun Apr-12-09 04:49 AM
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12. He is making the problem worse by offerning no explanation on the MANY seeming reversals
 Note the use of the word "seeming." Not all of us necessarily understand entirely what is going on. It's too bad that once again it feels like we are dealing with an opaque administration rather than a transparent one.

How come it was on January 19th and before each and everyone of you Little Goons had it all figured out and two-term Republican President George W. Bush was both evil and stupid?  Or is this an admission that President Bush is 1000x smarter than you Little Goons and that throughout his administration you Little Goons were being dishonestly unfair to him purely for political gain?

[Chris_]

The DUmmies can't help it. 8 years of wishing for Bu$hitler to be Chimpeached...
 

Good stuff!

[jukin]

The DUmmies can't help it. 8 years of wishing for Bu$hitler to be Chimpeached...
 

Good stuff!

That kind of momentum takes time to spin off.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

How come it was on January 19th and before each and everyone of you Little Goons had it all figured out and two-term Republican President George W. Bush was both evil and stupid?  Or is this an admission that President Bush is 1000x smarter than you Little Goons and that throughout his administration you Little Goons were being dishonestly unfair to him purely for political gain?

I'd say they simply painted themselves into a corner with their rhetoric but I think they were huffing the paint fumes rather than actually painting.

[Lord Undies]

I'd say they simply painted themselves into a corner with their rhetoric but I think they were huffing the paint fumes rather than actually painting.

Lies have to stay wet and flexible forever.  The truth dries on contact.

The Little Goons spend so much time being dishonest they have no idea how they betray themselves when their guard is down.

[diesel driver]

Looks like while Zero was busy looking out for "the one" that he stepped in #2.... 

[Freeper]

Damn only three months and they want Dumbo impeached

I predicted 6 months they exceeded even my expectations. 

[RightCoast]

Damn only three months and they want Dumbo impeached

Took longer then I thought it would

[franksolich]

I predicted 6 months they exceeded even my expectations. 

I recall predicting "by mid-summer," and so was off too.

I'm still sticking with my prediction that by the end of the year, there's going to be some sort of flip-flop going on here, decent and civilized people actually feeling sorry for Pa Kettle.

Not because decent and civilized people like Pa Kettle's policies and programs, or have any affection for Pa Kettle, but simply because Pa Kettle's going to be savaged so much by the primitives that it's overkill, just too much.

Sort of like the Lyndon Johnson thing in 1968, when even strong supporters of Barry Goldwater four years previously began feeling sorry for Johnson, the way he was being cut up, barbequed, torn apart, savaged, by those very people (the poor, the minorities, the young) for whom he had done so much.

[Freeper]

I recall predicting "by mid-summer," and so was off too.

I'm still sticking with my prediction that by the end of the year, there's going to be some sort of flip-flop going on here, decent and civilized people actually feeling sorry for Pa Kettle.

Not because decent and civilized people like Pa Kettle's policies and programs, or have any affection for Pa Kettle, but simply because Pa Kettle's going to be savaged so much by the primitives that it's overkill, just too much.

Sort of like the Lyndon Johnson thing in 1968, when even strong supporters of Barry Goldwater four years previously began feeling sorry for Johnson, the way he was being cut up, barbequed, torn apart, savaged, by those very people (the poor, the minorities, the young) for whom he had done so much.

we were only off by a couple of business days 

[VelvetElvis]

So Zero MUST have been co-opted by the military-industrial complex.


It never enters into their empty drug addled heads that maybe after seeing all of the facts, even a radical fellow traveller like the Precedent sees the need to confine these vermin they are so fond of. 

Nope.  Gotta be some conspiracy...Chimpeach!!

[DixieBelle]

Lies have to stay wet and flexible forever.  The truth dries on contact.

The Little Goons spend so much time being dishonest they have no idea how they betray themselves when their guard is down.

I want that on a bumper sticker! H5!