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Obama: Safety of world at stake in Afghanistan
« on: March 27, 2009, 10:45:09 PM »
The "Good War" is going to be Obama's undoing. First, he's going to *****foot around and ****-up costing us lots of good lives with his idiot liberal theories and that will cost him middle America. I'm in dread at the thought of squandered lives, international standing and the emboldening of humanity's worst elements.

Second, it's tearing the hippy-crites apart...

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NightWatcher  (1000+ posts)        Fri Mar-27-09 11:48 AM
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Obama: Safety of world at stake in Afghanistan 
 President Obama today announced he is sending another 4,000 troops to Afghanistan to confront what he called an "increasingly perilous situation" in the country and its neighbor, Pakistan. "The safety of people around the world is at stake," Obama said. Obama has vowed to make Afghanistan the central front in the war on terror.

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So we're still going to use the Boosh-ism of "War" on everything?

"Safety of the world"??? Hyperbole much?

Ask the thousands of people moving to homeless tent cities how Afghanistan has threatened their safety.

Obama's still better than McCain. 

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jody  (1000+ posts)      Fri Mar-27-09 12:17 PM
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2. Bush/Cheney are gone but their policies linger on. n/t

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mix (486 posts)      Fri Mar-27-09 12:20 PM
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posturing, i hope
 I would like to think that the Obama administration realizes the folly of waging an unwinnable war where other empires have fallen, the British and Russians being the most recent.

I would like to think that Obama realizes as well that we our better off as a republic, not an empire and that such projections of American power harm our national interests in the long-run by creating more terrorism and hatred against us.

I would like to believe that Obama is not an imperialist, that he is a wise leader, and that he understands how destructive American imperialism has been to the health and security of millions beyond our borders.

I would also like to think that "tough talk" and escalation in Afghanistan are a prelude to a negotiated settlement with moderate Taliban elements(those who are less committed to global jihad and are more locally and nationally focused).

I want to believe, I really do, but a kinder, gentler empire is not something I will ever support the perpetuation of.

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dos pelos (175 posts)     Fri Mar-27-09 12:34 PM
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4. Crock of shit...........Obama=Bush in this regard
 Now he both talks and acts like Bush.Lets take a moment here folks and take a good clear look at what we elected.

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FudaFuda (220 posts)      Fri Mar-27-09 04:23 PM
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6. semantics. 
 'struggle against extremism'

'overseas contingency operations'

What was that thing candidate Obama once said about lipstick on a pig?
 

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empyreanisles (91 posts)      Fri Mar-27-09 04:24 PM
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7. I'm just saying, I think Obama realizes that term was hyperbolic
 , and the reality is that this is a more focused, police operation.

 
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FrenchieCat  (1000+ posts)        Fri Mar-27-09 04:25 PM
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8. He ran on dealing with Afghanistan, and that is what he is doing. 
 That is exactly what he talked about as a candidate,
and so your criticism might be more based on what you wanted,
not what he didn't or didn't do.....

In otherwords, be careful about the lipstick....as it may be your own.

 
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totodeinhere  (1000+ posts)      Fri Mar-27-09 04:32 PM
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9. Just because he said he would increase troop levels in Afghanistan... 
 during the campaign doesn't make it right. I opposed him on that during the campaign and I oppose him now. More troops will not help. No amount of troops can deal with the kind if insurgency that is going on there. They need to negotiate with the Taliban and cut the best deal they can, then get out.

 
 
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empyreanisles (91 posts)      Fri Mar-27-09 04:47 PM
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14. I think he knows that. But he feels he has to try. He did send less than many expected.
 And negotiations with the Taliban will occur as his speech outlined. 


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MarjorieG  (1000+ posts)        Fri Mar-27-09 05:58 PM
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17. It's not the Taliban however awful. It's in cooperation with int'l Al Qaeda.
 The Taliban terrorizing Afghans, and with their drugs, would still be left to their devices had we not been attacked by Al Qaeda and started fighting there.


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FudaFuda (220 posts)      Fri Mar-27-09 04:35 PM
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10. "He said he would, so deal." is not a justification.
 Dissent is permitted, is it not? My point is you can change the label attached to it, i.e. 'overseas contingency operations,' but its still the same 'war on terror'.

 
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FrenchieCat  (1000+ posts)        Fri Mar-27-09 04:40 PM
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12. Yes it is; on both sides.   
 Do you mind?

 
 
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FudaFuda (220 posts)      Fri Mar-27-09 04:50 PM
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15. Yeah, because you're not responsive to the point I was making
 My post was about 'semantics' - i.e. changing the name of the war doesn't make it less of a war. It's just an attempt to divert everyone's attention from the fact that the same war continues, only with even more American soldiers on the ground now. As much as I disagree with the 'surge' of another 17,000 or 21,000 more American soldiers going to Afghanistan, I object just as strongly to tricky wordplay in re-naming the war as an attempt to fool me. That's really an insult and definitely politics as usual, not the break from the old ways of doing things that he campaigned on.

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Re: Obama: Safety of world at stake in Afghanistan
« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2009, 11:03:21 PM »
Reality slaps the dummies right in the face.  This is going to be interesting watching their utopian Obama dreams die a slow and painful death.  I just didn't think it would be this soon.

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Re: Obama: Safety of world at stake in Afghanistan
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2009, 08:43:08 AM »
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dos pelos (175 posts)     Fri Mar-27-09 12:34 PM
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4. Crock of shit...........Obama=Bush in this regard
 Now he both talks and acts like Bush.Lets take a moment here folks and take a good clear look at what we elected

There's a old saying:  If two people tell you you are sick - lie down.

^This is especially true if the second person to tell you you are sick is the one you were counting on to pronouce you well.

Maybe, DUmmies, even the lame Obama is in a better situation to judge international positions than you.  Obama has one advantage.  He's now not seeing the world through a basement window.

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Re: Obama: Safety of world at stake in Afghanistan
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2009, 09:00:36 AM »
There's a old saying:  If two people tell you you are sick - lie down.

^This is especially true if the second person to tell you you are sick is the one you were counting on to pronouce you well.

Maybe, DUmmies, even the lame Obama is in a better situation to judge international positions than you.  Obama has one advantage.  He's now not seeing the world through a basement window.

My thought exactly.  Their man is now seeing reality and they don't like it so it must not be true.

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Re: Obama: Safety of world at stake in Afghanistan
« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2009, 09:04:46 AM »
There's a old saying:  If two people tell you you are sick - lie down.

^This is especially true if the second person to tell you you are sick is the one you were counting on to pronouce you well.

Maybe, DUmmies, even the lame Obama is in a better situation to judge international positions than you.  Obama has one advantage.  He's now not seeing the world through a basement window.
Yes, but at least the first doctor was willing to use sound prescriptions. This new guy seems a bit beholden to holistic hippy herbal remedies.
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Re: Obama: Safety of world at stake in Afghanistan
« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2009, 09:08:47 AM »
Yes, but at least the first doctor was willing to use sound prescriptions. This new guy seems a bit beholden to holistic hippy herbal remedies.

Yes, but when the mindful and the mindless come together and still contradict the DUmmie ideology, the DUmmie must conclude he is wrong - or look like the fool, which is his normal pose anyway.   

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Re: Obama: Safety of world at stake in Afghanistan
« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2009, 09:13:48 AM »
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So we're still going to use the Boosh-ism of "War" on everything?

"Safety of the world"??? Hyperbole much?

Ask the thousands of people moving to homeless tent cities how Afghanistan has threatened their safety.

Obama's still better than McCain.

This kind of stuff kills me about the DUmp.  You can't criticize their great cult leader without applying some type of cover in case you get called out, so you have to add the obligatory "Obama's still better than McCain."   :lmao:

Remember when idiot Biden said something, in reference to foreign policy, about the Hussein administration doing some things in the first few months that could make his base wonder what he was doing, but they needed to sit tight and let it play out and not be critical because they wouldn't know the whole picture?

Hmmmmmmmmm.....

Whatever it is, he'll screw it up, that's for sure.

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Re: Obama: Safety of world at stake in Afghanistan
« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2009, 07:06:03 PM »
I generally despise the sound-bite talking heads on television and their bought-and-paid-for opinions clothed as information, but Fox had Ralph Peters on this morning and he absolutely frickin' nailed the flaws in Obama's approach to the Afghan war, and clearly had more to say that was totally on the right track as well.

On one of my trips home from SW Asia, I was talking to an Army Major who had been working with the Afghan army.  Although this was a couple of years ago, the problems he was talking about are cultural, haven't been fixed, and probably can't be fixed without financially supporting and closely mentoring the Afghan population for two or three generations.  Basically anything that is built will get stripped for scrap, or blown up and then sold for scrap (if it interferes with the traditional source of income of the nearest village, for instance if you try to build a bridge when the local make their dough by charging toll at the nearest ford).  The national police and the army can certainly recruit, however the native leadership believes it is their right to skim off all the pay and food allowances instead of giving it to the soldiers, so they desert after two months and go back to their own villages.  Training the Afghan army basically just ensures the standard of training of local bandits will improve over time as the deserters join them, while the army will remain at about the same level since few if any of the privates will have more than a month or two's experience.
Peters also noted that of course the Pakistani and Afghan governments thought the idea was cool, because it means both of them get a lot more money.  He further noted that the Paki government was incredibly corrupt and I assume he ran out of time before he could add that it has no realistic control over Waziristan and the tribal regions at all, and is totally co-opted and hamstrung in dealing with radical Islamists.
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Re: Obama: Safety of world at stake in Afghanistan
« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2009, 07:12:11 PM »
There's a old saying:  If two people tell you you are sick - lie down.

^This is especially true if the second person to tell you you are sick is the one you were counting on to pronouce you well.

Maybe, DUmmies, even the lame Obama is in a better situation to judge international positions than you.  Obama has one advantage.  He's now not seeing the world through a basement window.

That right there says it all.

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Re: Obama: Safety of world at stake in Afghanistan
« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2009, 07:40:40 PM »
He further noted that the Paki government was incredibly corrupt and I assume he ran out of time before he could add that it has no realistic control over Waziristan and the tribal regions at all, and is totally co-opted and hamstrung in dealing with radical Islamists.

The only thing I would  add to Mr. Peters conclusions about Pakistan...is that as long as the ISI is aiding and abetting the Taliban we will never get rid of them.
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Re: Obama: Safety of world at stake in Afghanistan
« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2009, 12:56:53 PM »
Obama is as ignorant as Carter and as much of a control freak as Johnson. Afghanistan is Obama's Viet Nam...he's already turning Pakistan into Cambodia. Of course Cambodia wasn't armed with nukes. Why is it that dems always manage to get us into these kinds of situations and then conservatives have to clean up their messes?

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Re: Obama: Safety of world at stake in Afghanistan
« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2009, 09:27:24 PM »
are they gonna spend all their time looking for those elusive 'moderate taliban' in the mist??

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« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2009, 11:32:46 PM »
are they gonna spend all their time looking for those elusive 'moderate taliban' in the mist??

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Re: Obama: Safety of world at stake in Afghanistan
« Reply #13 on: March 31, 2009, 09:01:53 AM »
are they gonna spend all their time looking for those elusive 'moderate taliban' in the mist??

They might as well look for mountain gorillas there, about an equal probability of success.
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« Reply #14 on: March 31, 2009, 12:05:23 PM »
They might as well look for mountain gorillas there, about an equal probability of success.

You're not supposed to disillusion the potential snipe hunters - until AFTER the snipe hunt.  :naughty:
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« Reply #15 on: March 31, 2009, 12:10:49 PM »
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thousands of people moving to homeless tent cities


Where is this, and why isn't the MSM allllllll over it?

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« Reply #16 on: March 31, 2009, 12:55:43 PM »


Where is this, and why isn't the MSM allllllll over it?

 :fuelfire:

Actually, I've been out of work since the end of January, and unless something miraculously different than what I've seen over the past 2-3 months occurs - i.e. I run into a potential employer who isn't planning on sitting on his hands while the Obamessiah crushes the economy under his boot heel - my family will be doing a little "extended duration camping", come about May 1st.

But we're planning on pitching our dacron home up in the national forest land of the Rocky Mountains, not in urban Hoovervilles Obamavilles.  I'm looking for ways to provide for and protect my family, not ways to look especially indigent and downtrodden.
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