Author Topic: Mexican helicopter over Texas sparks drug war concerns  (Read 3998 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Thor

  • General Ne'er Do Well, Troublemaker & All Around Meanie!!
  • In Memoriam
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 13103
  • Reputation: +362/-297
  • Native Texan & US Navy (ret)
Mexican helicopter over Texas sparks drug war concerns
« on: March 12, 2010, 11:15:37 AM »
Mexican helicopter over Texas sparks drug war concerns
By LYNN BREZOSKY and GARY MARTIN
SAN ANTONIO EXPRESS-NEWS
March 11, 2010, 9:10PM


BROWNSVILLE — The Zapata County sheriff Thursday was questioning why a Mexican military helicopter was hovering over homes on the Texas side of the Rio Grande.

It was one of the more jarring incidents of the fourth week of border tensions sparked by drug killings — and rumors of drug killings — in the Mexican state of Tamaulipas.

Sheriff Sigifredo Gonzalez said he'd reviewed photos of the chopper flown by armed personnel Tuesday over a residential area known as Falcon Heights-Falcon Village near the binational Falcon Lake, just south of the Starr-Zapata county line. He said the helicopter appeared to have the insignia of the Mexican navy.

“It's always been said that the Mexican military does in fact ... that there have been incursions,” Gonzalez said. “But this is not New Mexico or Arizona. Here we've got a river, there's a boundary line. And then of course having Falcon Lake, Falcon Dam, it's a lot wider. It's not just a trickle of a river, it's an actual dam. You know where the boundary's at.”

The sighting came amid ongoing fighting between the Gulf Cartel and its former enforcers, Los Zetas. The mounting death toll and crisis of fear in cities opposite the Texas border have drawn global attention, as has a news blackout in affected cities with the kidnappings of eight Mexican journalists, at least one of whom was killed.

As violence continued Thursday with a highway shootout in the state of Tamaulipas, a Senate subcommittee in Washington heard testimony that drug cartels are trying to infiltrate U.S. agencies along the border, with corruption cases among Homeland Security personnel on the rise.

In the past two years, there have been 400 public corruption cases involving federal, state and local law enforcement agents originating from the Southwest border region, Kevin Perkins, FBI assistant director for criminal investigations, told the Senate Homeland Security subcommittee on preparedness.

In addition to the highway battle, news from Tamaulipas on Thursday included a 25-year-old man found dead on a roadside in Miguel Alemán. On Wednesday, three people died in two gunbattles in Reynosa.

Four other deaths have been reported since Saturday in the cities of Mier, Camargo and Miguel Alemán.

The Mexican government's role in combating the violence remained unclear. The army presence in some cities appeared sporadic, and the navy has led operations including the December takeout of kingpin Arturo Beltran Leyva in Mexico City.

Gonzalez, the Zapata sheriff, said he couldn't confirm reports that the helicopter was scoping the home of a drug criminal. He said the incursion about a mile over the border occurred over a neighborhood populated by many U.S. Customs officers who work at area border crossings — and they knew what they were seeing.

“My understanding is the U.S. military were informed,” he said. “I don't know what action was taken, if any.”

lbrezosky@express-news.net



Crossing into US airspace without authorization seems to me as if it would be an act of war. Most countries would have shot this helicopter and it's pilot down or at least escorted it to the nearest landing field. I wonder where was the Air Force, Border Patrol, or other Government agencies and why weren't they available or able to respond??
"The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation."- IBID

I AM your General Ne'er Do Well, Troublemaker & All Around Meanie!!

"Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but only those specifically enumerated."-Thomas Jefferson

Offline The Village Idiot

  • Banned
  • Probationary (Probie)
  • Posts: 54
  • Reputation: +96/-15
Re: Mexican helicopter over Texas sparks drug war concerns
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2010, 12:50:21 PM »
Foreign (military?) aircraft hovering over Texas homes and nobody shot at it??

I am very disappointed.

Offline thundley4

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 40571
  • Reputation: +2222/-127
Re: Mexican helicopter over Texas sparks drug war concerns
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2010, 01:00:44 PM »
Foreign (military?) aircraft hovering over Texas homes and nobody shot at it??

I am very disappointed.

That's what I was thinking.  Would it be legal to fire at a military aircraft from another country?  They were invading, weren't they?

Offline IassaFTots

  • In WTF-istan, I am considered a
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 13972
  • Reputation: +768/-274
  • Oh well, I wasn't using my civil liberties anyway.
Re: Mexican helicopter over Texas sparks drug war concerns
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2010, 01:10:27 PM »
I believe this is going to get worse before/if it gets better.
R.I.P. LC and Crockspot.  Miss you guys.

The infinite is possible at zombocom.  www.zombo.com

"The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy." ~ Martin Luther King
 
“Political Correctness is about turning a blind eye to painful reality because your comfortable feelings are more important to you than saving lives and providing quality of life to people who work their ass off to be productive and are a benefit to this great American Dream"  ~Ted Nugent

Offline The Village Idiot

  • Banned
  • Probationary (Probie)
  • Posts: 54
  • Reputation: +96/-15
Re: Mexican helicopter over Texas sparks drug war concerns
« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2010, 01:58:12 PM »
I believe this is going to get worse before/if it gets better.

freeper Travis McGee, Matt Bracken, wrote a trilogy the last of which was about The "Reconquista".

http://www.enemiesforeignanddomestic.com/

Offline Wineslob

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 14451
  • Reputation: +786/-193
  • Sucking the life out of Liberty
Re: Mexican helicopter over Texas sparks drug war concerns
« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2010, 02:19:37 PM »
Quote
I wonder where was the Air Force, Border Patrol, or other Government agencies and why weren't they available or able to respond??

They've been told to "help" our southern "friends".
“The national budget must be balanced. The public debt must be reduced; the arrogance of the authorities must be moderated and controlled. Payments to foreign governments must be reduced, if the nation doesn't want to go bankrupt. People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance.”

        -- Marcus Tullius Cicero, 55 BC (106-43 BC)

The unobtainable is unknown at Zombo.com



"Practice random violence and senseless acts of brutality"

If you want a gender neutral bathroom, go pee in the forest.

Offline jinxmchue

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3841
  • Reputation: +114/-26
Re: Mexican helicopter over Texas sparks drug war concerns
« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2010, 02:56:37 PM »
Mexico's citizens are here illegally, so why not let their military enter the country illegally, too?  What exactly is the difference?

Offline DefiantSix

  • Set Condition One throughout the ship
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 17501
  • Reputation: +1741/-189
  • Captain, IKV Defiant
Re: Mexican helicopter over Texas sparks drug war concerns
« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2010, 03:12:19 PM »
Mexico's citizens are here illegally, so why not let their military enter the country illegally, too?  What exactly is the difference?

The guns they bring back and forth across the border are generally bigger?
"Stand your ground. Don't fire unless fired upon, but if they mean to have a war, let it begin here."
-- Capt. John Parker

"I'm not looking for forgiveness, and I'm way past asking permission"
-- Capt. Steve Rogers

"In this present crisis, government in not the solution to our problem, government IS the problem."
-- Ronaldus Magnus

Offline jinxmchue

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3841
  • Reputation: +114/-26
Re: Mexican helicopter over Texas sparks drug war concerns
« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2010, 03:15:00 PM »
The guns they bring back and forth across the border are generally bigger?

Ha!   :cheersmate:

Offline LC EFA

  • Hickus Australianus
  • In Memoriam
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4527
  • Reputation: +414/-33
Re: Mexican helicopter over Texas sparks drug war concerns
« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2010, 04:26:28 PM »
Border Security ?

What Border security ... "we don't needs no steenking border security"...

 :banghead:

Offline diesel driver

  • Creepy Ass Cracker and Smart-Ass White Boy!
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 9126
  • Reputation: +605/-55
  • Enhancing My Carbon Footprint!
Re: Mexican helicopter over Texas sparks drug war concerns
« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2010, 05:12:20 PM »
Border Security ?

What Border security ... "we don't needs no steenking border security"...

 :banghead:

In fact, we don't GOT no steekeen border security....   :thatsright:
Murphy's 3rd Law:  "You can't make anything 'idiot DUmmie proof'.  The world will just create a better idiot DUmmie."

Liberals are like Slinkys.  Basically useless, but they do bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs...
 
Global warming supporters believe that a few hundred million tons of CO2 has more control over our climate than a million mile in diameter, unshielded thermo-nuclear fusion reactor at the middle of the solar system.

"A dead enemy is a peaceful enemy.  Blessed be the peacemakers". - U.S. Marine Corp

You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out of office.

Offline Chris_

  • Little Lebowski Urban Achiever
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 46845
  • Reputation: +2028/-266
Re: Mexican helicopter over Texas sparks drug war concerns
« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2010, 06:49:34 PM »
Why would we expect our Border Patrol officers to shoot at anything?
The last time 2 of them did that in the line of duty, they got sent to prison.
If you want to worship an orange pile of garbage with a reckless disregard for everything, get on down to Arbys & try our loaded curly fries.

Offline Airwolf

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 11570
  • Reputation: +628/-163
Re: Mexican helicopter over Texas sparks drug war concerns
« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2010, 08:55:43 PM »
All the more reason that the 2nd amendment needs to be held up. If the cops can't or won't do something then it is up to us to do it. I'd have done more then taken one shot at those MoFos for crossing the border armed to the teeth.
MOLON LABE

"Someday, when all your civilization and science are likewise swept away, your kind will pray for a man with a sword."-- Conan the Barbarian

Clint Eastwood - Because God wanted Chuck Norris to have nightmares.

"I am not a Number,I am a free man"

"He's my hero, you don't put away your heros, you honor them!"

Offline DefiantSix

  • Set Condition One throughout the ship
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 17501
  • Reputation: +1741/-189
  • Captain, IKV Defiant
Re: Mexican helicopter over Texas sparks drug war concerns
« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2010, 09:00:31 PM »
All the more reason that the 2nd amendment needs to be held up. If the cops can't or won't do something then it is up to us to do it. I'd have done more then taken one shot at those MoFos for crossing the border armed to the teeth.

It's too bad we don't have an 'unconfirmed' Bell 222 conversion roaming the skies down there.  I'd imagine that the incursions would stop after the first 3-4 of their choppers went down just as soon as they were clear of a populated area.   :evillaugh:
"Stand your ground. Don't fire unless fired upon, but if they mean to have a war, let it begin here."
-- Capt. John Parker

"I'm not looking for forgiveness, and I'm way past asking permission"
-- Capt. Steve Rogers

"In this present crisis, government in not the solution to our problem, government IS the problem."
-- Ronaldus Magnus

Offline Airwolf

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 11570
  • Reputation: +628/-163
Re: Mexican helicopter over Texas sparks drug war concerns
« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2010, 11:55:09 PM »
It's too bad we don't have an 'unconfirmed' Bell 222 conversion roaming the skies down there.  I'd imagine that the incursions would stop after the first 3-4 of their choppers went down just as soon as they were clear of a populated area.   :evillaugh:

Lets see .

5 million for the Bell 222

Already have a pilot wth over 5K in flight hours


Need guns,Lots of guns.

Now all I need is the 6 winning powerball numbers and that 200 Million is mune.
MOLON LABE

"Someday, when all your civilization and science are likewise swept away, your kind will pray for a man with a sword."-- Conan the Barbarian

Clint Eastwood - Because God wanted Chuck Norris to have nightmares.

"I am not a Number,I am a free man"

"He's my hero, you don't put away your heros, you honor them!"

Offline The Village Idiot

  • Banned
  • Probationary (Probie)
  • Posts: 54
  • Reputation: +96/-15
Re: Mexican helicopter over Texas sparks drug war concerns
« Reply #15 on: March 13, 2010, 12:20:09 AM »
Now all I need is the 6 winning powerball numbers and that 200 Million is mune.

If I win I see Panama and a lot of girls in my future.

Offline LC EFA

  • Hickus Australianus
  • In Memoriam
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4527
  • Reputation: +414/-33
Re: Mexican helicopter over Texas sparks drug war concerns
« Reply #16 on: March 13, 2010, 12:58:11 AM »
It's too bad we don't have an 'unconfirmed' Bell 222 conversion roaming the skies down there.  I'd imagine that the incursions would stop after the first 3-4 of their choppers went down just as soon as they were clear of a populated area.   :evillaugh:

Shame no enterprising citizen didn't take the opportunity to test out the accuracy on their barretts rifle.


Offline Thor

  • General Ne'er Do Well, Troublemaker & All Around Meanie!!
  • In Memoriam
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 13103
  • Reputation: +362/-297
  • Native Texan & US Navy (ret)
Re: Mexican helicopter over Texas sparks drug war concerns
« Reply #17 on: March 13, 2010, 09:58:19 AM »
A 22 rifle with proper shot placement can take down just about any aircraft, especially a helicopter. ;)
"The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation."- IBID

I AM your General Ne'er Do Well, Troublemaker & All Around Meanie!!

"Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but only those specifically enumerated."-Thomas Jefferson

Offline Chris_

  • Little Lebowski Urban Achiever
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 46845
  • Reputation: +2028/-266
Re: Mexican helicopter over Texas sparks drug war concerns
« Reply #18 on: March 13, 2010, 01:11:40 PM »
A 22 rifle with proper shot placement can take down just about any aircraft, especially a helicopter. ;)

Just how much trouble could one get into in Texas if one put a well-placed round through the turbines of a foreign-flagged chopper hovering over one's neighborhood?

doc
If you want to worship an orange pile of garbage with a reckless disregard for everything, get on down to Arbys & try our loaded curly fries.

Offline The Village Idiot

  • Banned
  • Probationary (Probie)
  • Posts: 54
  • Reputation: +96/-15
Re: Mexican helicopter over Texas sparks drug war concerns
« Reply #19 on: March 13, 2010, 01:17:41 PM »
Just how much trouble could one get into in Texas if one put a well-placed round through the turbines of a foreign-flagged chopper hovering over one's neighborhood?

doc

Dang, to be accused of trying to spark a war by the authorities. heh.

Offline DumbAss Tanker

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 28493
  • Reputation: +1707/-151
Re: Mexican helicopter over Texas sparks drug war concerns
« Reply #20 on: March 13, 2010, 01:25:36 PM »
Just how much trouble could one get into in Texas if one put a well-placed round through the turbines of a foreign-flagged chopper hovering over one's neighborhood?

doc

Well, basically if anyone dies it's a capital murder charge in Federal court.  On a given day you have no idea whether a particular aircraft that might look like this one is stolen, intruding over the border, part of a movie, or just some owner's idea of a cool paint job, so shooting at one is a bad idea on general principles.  Even if you see one and it turns out to really be a Mexican government bird, it would have to be engaged in hostile action, i.e. shooting at you, before you would have any legal defense for shooting at it.
Go and tell the Spartans, O traveler passing by
That here, obedient to their law, we lie.

Anything worth shooting once is worth shooting at least twice.

Offline The Village Idiot

  • Banned
  • Probationary (Probie)
  • Posts: 54
  • Reputation: +96/-15
Re: Mexican helicopter over Texas sparks drug war concerns
« Reply #21 on: March 13, 2010, 01:29:33 PM »
globalfirepower.com says Mexico's military has 273 helicopters, as of 2007.

Offline Chris_

  • Little Lebowski Urban Achiever
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 46845
  • Reputation: +2028/-266
Re: Mexican helicopter over Texas sparks drug war concerns
« Reply #22 on: March 13, 2010, 01:29:58 PM »
Well, basically if anyone dies it's a capital murder charge in Federal court.  On a given day you have no idea whether a particular aircraft that might look like this one is stolen, intruding over the border, part of a movie, or just some owner's idea of a cool paint job, so shooting at one is a bad idea on general principles.  Even if you see one and it turns out to really be a Mexican government bird, it would have to be engaged in hostile action, i.e. shooting at you, before you would have any legal defense for shooting at it.


Therefore assuming that it is....

A.  Truly foreign.....and

B.  An unauthorized incursion.....

No "affirmative defense"?

doc
If you want to worship an orange pile of garbage with a reckless disregard for everything, get on down to Arbys & try our loaded curly fries.

Offline The Village Idiot

  • Banned
  • Probationary (Probie)
  • Posts: 54
  • Reputation: +96/-15
Re: Mexican helicopter over Texas sparks drug war concerns
« Reply #23 on: March 13, 2010, 01:32:42 PM »


Pics of the incursion!

Offline The Village Idiot

  • Banned
  • Probationary (Probie)
  • Posts: 54
  • Reputation: +96/-15
Re: Mexican helicopter over Texas sparks drug war concerns
« Reply #24 on: March 13, 2010, 01:35:47 PM »
Don't worry. If it gets shot down they already ordered 6 replacements ($1.1b)

They look like this:

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/images/AIR_EC725_Cougar_lg.jpg