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Current Events => General Discussion => Topic started by: Gina on June 14, 2012, 01:13:49 PM
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We are having an increased police activity here pulling over speeders. People speed big time on the highways here (75mph+ in 55). People are writing into the paper about getting tickets and how the cops are just going for a money grab by writing tickets for speeding.
How do you really feel about cops writing tickets?
Even if it is a money grab, if someone is breaking the law isn't that just tough shit? don't break a posted speed and you won't get a ticket?
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We are having an increased police activity here pulling over speeders. People speed big time on the highways here (75mph+ in 55). People are writing into the paper about getting tickets and how the cops are just going for a money grab by writing tickets for speeding.
How do you really feel about cops writing tickets?
Even if it is a money grab, if someone is breaking the law isn't that just tough shit? don't break a posted speed and you won't get a ticket?
Down here in the Lone Star State we just drive the speed limit or the temperature whichever is higher. Keep it simple, I say.
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Down here in the Lone Star State we just drive the speed limit or the temperature whichever is higher. Keep it simple, I say.
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H5!
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City of N.Y. found years ago when their crime rate dropped in record numbers that the best way to stop serious crime was to enforce petty crime.
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Yes, city county and state budgets are hurting under this horrible O-conomy. And yes, politicians are turning to their jack-booted shakedown specialists to help make up at least some of that revenue shortfall. This is documentable, and is neither good nor bad.
We the people elected the assclowns in our county commissions and state legislatures. We the people sat on our fat asses, tuned into American Idol while these same assclowns passed law after law after law; making more and more normal, everyday behavior an illegal act, and we cannot be bothered to put down the remote long enough to protest any of these patently bullshit laws that are now being enforced against us. We are guaranteed freedom of choice by God; however, having chosen - having prioritized the many demands on our attention - He cannot and will not protect us from the natural consequences for our choices. Hence the economy we have to endure; hence the police state we live in.
Where I live, I know for a fact that the police agencies are stepping up their "revenue generating" enforcement activities. I have a cruise control, and I know how to use it. Most of the speed limits are fairly reasonable for the roads around here, so I just smile and wave whenever some impatient asshole flips me the bird as he goes roaring past my rig, usually accompanied with a hearty, "yup, you just run on ahead and go trolling for cops for me buddy". Most of the time I run below the police radar - I am usually 2-3 mph above the speed limit: not enough to attract the cop's attention, but enough to prove as I pass him that I'm not running drugs or something. Even this doesn't always protect me: I got ticketed over the Thanksgiving holiday because the state patrol set up a "checkpoint" on the far side of the Eisenhower Tunnel (the trooper claimed that the stock/factory window tint on the rear window of my Explorer made it so that she couldn't see the temporary plate taped to the inside of that window).
But usually the rule applies: behave yourself, and the cops leave you alone.
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Here, every now and then, the CHP will "patrol" a road called "Skyway". It involves said cop sitting on the side of the road with a radar gun and another cop farther down for the "pick up".
Still trying to figure out how this is "To protect and serve" and not revenue generation. :???:
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I'm surprised half the cars in Baltimore aren't on the side of the road with a cop behind them with their lights on. Apparently, 60 in a 45 was "normal" for local roads and the interstates were worse. Atlanta was nowhere near that bad and Raleigh is downright sedate. I was doing 45-50 through town and getting passed like I was sitting still.
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I'd feel better about the cops going after speeders (in fact I got one a few months ago and paid more to plead it down to a non-point offense), if they'd go after tailgaters with equal zeal (and I don't mean partyers at football games). But they don't, just because tailgating requires them as a witness and speeding allows them to nail people dead to rights with a adar gun. But tailgating is by FAR the bigger problem where I live now, and it's damned dangerous. On open highways, most speeding, except for the few people who are daydreaming that they're on an autobahn, is much less likely to cause an accident that tailgating.
I'm not a bumber sticker sort of guy, but if I had one, it might be "I brake for tailgaters." Those people are friggin' asswipes and menaces. And I NEVER get out of their way; in fact in the daytime I turn on my headlights so they think my brake lights are on. I DO get out of the way as fast as I can for people who stay back a few car lengths but clearly want to get by me.
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If we assume the speed limit is for the safe and expeditious flow of traffic, then it would follow that the less traffic the higher the speed. If the speed limit on a road used to be 55 and is now 70, and people got tickets at the 55 limit, doing 70, then the purpose of the 55 law can't be exclusively for safety. If law enforcement wanted only for traffic to obey the posted speed limit, they would be highly visible stationary, or patrolling, but they're not. Also location should be taken into account, less leeway in a school zone, more on a super highway.
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I got a speeding ticket for going over the speed limit by 1 mph (By a town sheriff while in my wife's hometown - population of about 120). Yes, I laughed about it.
That was a long time ago. Now I don't go over 60 mph (in a 65 zone) and keep the RPM's around 1700.
Edit: One of my uncles live in Montana. They don't have a speed limit during the day. They base it on the cops discretion over how big the car and tires are. Other-wards - If the cop feels it is unsafe for the car to go as fast as they are going, he can pull them over.
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Down here in the Lone Star State we just drive the speed limit or the temperature whichever is higher. Keep it simple, I say.
Works for me! Hi 5 too! :cheersmate:
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If we assume the speed limit is for the safe and expeditious flow of traffic, then it would follow that the less traffic the higher the speed. If the speed limit on a road used to be 55 and is now 70, and people got tickets at the 55 limit, doing 70, then the purpose of the 55 law can't be exclusively for safety. If law enforcement wanted only for traffic to obey the posted speed limit, they would be highly visible stationary, or patrolling, but they're not. Also location should be taken into account, less leeway in a school zone, more on a super highway.
I'm guessing you have never been to Houston. Rush hour rules; speed limit 75 (ignore 65 posted), following distance .5 car length and lane change clearance .9 car length. Strangely, it works out pretty good (except for the ulcers).
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Yes, I have been to Houston, but not during rush hour. Once during Rush hour though.
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Yes, I have been to Houston, but not during rush hour. Once during Rush hour though.
Was I lyin?
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Maybe I am wrong but for those saying it's just for revenue, so what if it is?
It's a law. Don't break laws. If you don't like a law do something to change it but don't break it.
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I'm guessing you have never been to Houston. Rush hour rules; speed limit 75 (ignore 65 posted), following distance .5 car length and lane change clearance .9 car length. Strangely, it works out pretty good (except for the ulcers).
Houston traffic sooooooooo sucks. Dallas is bad, but Houston? It's off the radar bad!
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Stop breaking the law.
The end.
Seriously, if you don't want a ticket, stop speeding. How hard is that?
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Was I lyin?
If you're lyin'
I'm dyin'
-Wolfman Jack-
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Maybe I am wrong but for those saying it's just for revenue, so what if it is?
It's a law. Don't break laws. If you don't like a law do something to change it but don't break it.
Laws should never be about revenue generation. Ever. Laws are supposed to be about protecting people. That's what's wrong with it.
IF speeding tickets were not for revenue generation then the cops wouldn't hide. You wouldn't have short sections of road where the speed limit is reduced for no apparent reason.
KC
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Laws should never be about revenue generation. Ever. Laws are supposed to be about protecting people. That's what's wrong with it.
IF speeding tickets were not for revenue generation then the cops wouldn't hide. You wouldn't have short sections of road where the speed limit is reduced for no apparent reason.
KC
You don't think speeding tickes and posted speeding signs are not also for the public safety?
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On the interstate, I'll usually drive 4 mph over the limit. And I'll factor in my speedometer's error (it reads faster than I'm actually traveling), so I stay under the radar that way.
About 2 years ago, I was traveling in Oklahoma and could not slow down fast enough by coasting to keep from tailgating the driver in front of me. (This guy himself was coasting because of the state trooper in the adjoining lane.) The state cop pulled me over and gave me a written warning. I didn't argue.
Touch wood -- it's been more than 13 years since my last speeding ticket. And I don't plan on getting any anytime soon.
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I'm naughty and admit to doing 5-10mph over the limit sometimes... I know what I am doing and know, that if caught, I'll have to pay for the consequences. Unless the cop is having a good day and gives me a warning and sends me on my way. I think the last speeding ticket I received was over 10 years ago... and it was from a female cop. Any other time it's been warnings, both verbal and written.
I drive the speed limit with my daughter in the car. I should put a stuffed animal in the backseat and pretend it's my daughter. She rarely ever rides with me because daycare is on my husband's way to work.
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I'm naughty and admit to doing 5-10mph over the limit sometimes... I know what I am doing and know, that if caught, I'll have to pay for the consequences. Unless the cop is having a good day and gives me a warning and sends me on my way. I think the last speeding ticket I received was over 10 years ago... and it was from a female cop. Any other time it's been warnings, both verbal and written.
I drive the speed limit with my daughter in the car. I should put a stuffed animal in the backseat and pretend it's my daughter. She rarely ever rides with me because daycare is on my husband's way to work.
Cleavage no help there.
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The problem is some departments have their cars out on the road generating revenue rather than patrolling and keeping the peace.
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Cleavage no help there.
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Meow may I help you?
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Skip to 1:45 for the, ah, relevant part.
Adriene Barbeau.... Humma..Humma.Humma (Yeah, I know, showing my age)
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I live on the I-95 corridor in GA. The local cops will stop people for busted windshields and for haging taglights out before they stop you for speeding. I have a couple of friends on the force, and they say they don't get drug runners by stopping speeders....
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Meow may I help you?
I would piss my pants if a cop ever did that to me... lol
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You don't think speeding tickes and posted speeding signs are not also for the public safety?
Think again:
This is an obvious call to action. Something must be done. We need more laws, more money for enforcement and more citations written - Speed Kills!
Not so fast says a follow up study just completed by National Motorists Association. The study shows the safest period on Montana’s Interstate highways was when there were no daytime speed limits or enforceable speed laws.
The doubling of fatal accidents occurred after Montana implemented its new safety program; complete with federal funding, artificially low speed limits and full enforcement
http://www.motorists.org/press/montana-no-speed-limit-safety-paradox
It is all about money.
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I used to hate the idea of speeding tickets...especially since we assumed it was just for money. Where I grew up, it probably was. But here, I've seen enough complete morons on the road that I'm really glad when I see a sheriff!! We've all seen cars run completely off the road by idiots passing where there isn't enough room and even know a few people that were killed in wrecks caused by these same idiots. If the presence of the cops is enough to slow them down, it works for me. Some of my happiest driving moments in the last 10 years (since I moved away from Nebraska and down to the area between Kansas City morons, Tulsa morons, Oklahoma City morons, and Wichita morons), have been when I've seen a cop nail one of them. :rofl:
BTW, when I've had some idiot blow past me in a no-passing-zone, it's always been when I'm already doing 5 over.
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Don't speed and you won't have to worry about your hard earned money padding the city coffers.
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On the interstate, I'll usually drive 4 mph over the limit. And I'll factor in my speedometer's error (it reads faster than I'm actually traveling), so I stay under the radar that way.
About 2 years ago, I was traveling in Oklahoma and could not slow down fast enough by coasting to keep from tailgating the driver in front of me. (This guy himself was coasting because of the state trooper in the adjoining lane.) The state cop pulled me over and gave me a written warning. I didn't argue.
Touch wood -- it's been more than 13 years since my last speeding ticket. And I don't plan on getting any anytime soon.
I got my last speeding ticket on Dec. 23rd 1986. I plan on keeping it that way.
I use the hell out of my cruise control.
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Speed zones to need to be enforced in school zones and other areas with high pedestrian traffic, on an open interstate, not so much.
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I got my last speeding ticket on Dec. 23rd 1986. I plan on keeping it that way.
I use the hell out of my cruise control.
Great gas saver on non-hilly highways.
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This speaking of city driving makes me think of Atlanta. Until I went there, I thought Pittsburgh was bad. Of course, Miami is also pretty bad.
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This speaking of city driving makes me think of Atlanta. Until I went there, I thought Pittsburgh was bad. Of course, Miami is also pretty bad.
All large cities are bad. Las Vegas is better than Phoenix, but it's still horrible here.
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All large cities are bad. Las Vegas is better than Phoenix, but it's still horrible here.
Atlanta was the first place I ever been to that had eight lanes (Four on each side - one of them lanes was a commute lane for cars with one or less passengers. The most Pittsburgh here has is six lanes (Three on each side)). The speed limit was 70mph, but people were going between 85 and 90, and the cops were just letting them go.
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Atlanta was the first place I ever been to that had eight lanes (Four on each side - one of them lanes was a commute lane for cars with one or less passengers. The most Pittsburgh here has is six lanes (Three on each side)). The speed limit was 70mph, but people were going between 85 and 90, and the cops were just letting them go.
Atlanta was bad when I went through in the early 80's. I was too young to know about taking Interstate bypasses, I took 75 straight through Atlanta. I also got offtrack once and took I 95 through Baltimore.
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Atlanta was bad when I went through in the early 80's. I was too young to know about taking Interstate bypasses, I took 75 straight through Atlanta. I also got offtrack once and took I 95 through Baltimore.
When I was there I was on 85 going into the city and then 85 coming out of the city. I was staying in Suwannee (It is between 10 and 15 miles outside the city), where one of my best friends lived at the time. That is a beautiful town.
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The speed limit was 70mph, but people were going between 85 and 90, and the cops were just letting them go.
And the reason for that is the flow of traffic. If it's moving and moving safely why cause a problem. Speed isn't the problem. Left lane driving and speed differential is the problem.
KC
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You don't think speeding tickes and posted speeding signs are not also for the public safety?
No ma'am I don't. In school zones or residential areas I might agree but otherwise it's simply revenue.
There are few other crimes where the cops hide and allow a crime to be committed when public safety is supposedly involved. Think about that for a minute. If a cop can stop a crime where someone could be harmed why not do that rather than let the crime happen then cite you.
Wonder if a cop would stand aside and let a potential bar fight develop or would they intervene before it got out of hand?
Just a thought.
KC
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I may be picking nits, but speeding is a code violation, a misdemeanor, not technically a violation of statute law. You cannot be arrested for simple speeding. This is one argument I hate hearing that it's "breaking the law'.
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I may be picking nits, but speeding is a code violation, a misdemeanor, not technically a violation of statute law. You cannot be arrested for simple speeding. This is one argument I hate hearing that it's "breaking the law'.
You can be arrested for speeding... just ask my brother-in-law who was going 30mph over the speed limit in his redneck Camaro.
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You can be arrested for speeding... just ask my brother-in-law who was going 30mph over the speed limit in his redneck Camaro.
30 over in many states is no longer simple speeding, it opens the infraction to interpretation of recklessness, and possibly fleeing.
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I may be picking nits, but speeding is a code violation, a misdemeanor, not technically a violation of statute law. You cannot be arrested for simple speeding. This is one argument I hate hearing that it's "breaking the law'.
You are justifying it. If you are willing to think that you don't have to follow a simple law or "code violation" then you are just going to think you can move on up in the severity of law breaking.
And about left lane driving..........Pfffft! if one is doing the speed limit in the left lane then that is lawful. It's your job to figure out how to pass. Can't stand a SOB getting on my ass when I am already breaking a code violation and think I am getting out of their way. I don't like to be an accessory to a code violation. :-)
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You wouldn't have short sections of road where the speed limit is reduced for no apparent reason.
Oh, but usually there is a good reason, although not an apparent one.
The highways out here are pretty empty, and so there's no competition for "getting ahead" of the other guy.
Once in a while one will come to a straight, endless, stretch of highway where the speed limit's abruptly reduced from 60 mph to 50 mph or even 40 mph.
One at first thinks, "WTF?"
It's usually because the winds are known to (usually) be really strong on that particular stretch, and can blow a car off the road. It's for one's own safety.
I also think that, at least here in Nebraska, an ancient law which used to pertain but which doesn't anymore, should be restored; that of after sun-down, the maximum speed-limit is ten miles lower than the posted speed limit.
And then during deer-crossing season, it should be no more than 45 mph.
I'm one of these rare people around here who's never hit a deer; I've come close however, and if I'd been going 60 mph (the actual usual speed-limit), I wouldn't have had the time to evade.
I'm in a hurry just as much as the next guy, and sure, driving endless expanses can be boring.
But on the other hand, how much time am I really saving, by going 45 miles to the big city, at 60 mph instead of 55 or 50 (I drive according to conditions on the road, up to but not past the speed limit). Thirty seconds? Forty seconds?
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favorite is when someone blows past me and I turtle up doing the speed limit to the light and it turns green right when I get there and I pass them :yahoo:
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And about left lane driving..........Pfffft! if one is doing the speed limit in the left lane then that is lawful. It's your job to figure out how to pass. Can't stand a SOB getting on my ass when I am already breaking a code violation and think I am getting out of their way. I don't like to be an accessory to a code violation. :-)
No ma'am. That is incorrect in a lot of states, Texas included. State law says the left lane is for passing only. If you are not actively passing a vehicle and you're in the left lane you can be cited.
Also, if you are forcing people to pass you on the right you are forcing them to break a law. You are not supposed to pass on the right.
When you are driving in the left lane people can't see around you so they don't know if you are passing or if you are simply driving in the left lane. That's why our sterring wheels are on the left side of the car. I seriously can't figure out why anyone would WANT to drive in the left lane. What's the appeal?? The only reason I've been able to come up with is it makes them feel powerful stacking traffic up behind them. Is there another reason I'm missing?
KC
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Here's my take on it--I've seen places where a speeding ticket is $5 per mile over the limit. I've seen it where back in the day in Nevada anything under 75 was a $5 "energy waste fee." I've also seen it where 16 in a 15 school zone was STARTING at $400, not including the school (another $150) to keep the ticket off your insurance.
If it's a ticket that gets reported but with minimal to moderate fines, that is okay (I'd say anything under $100 for 10 mph over is legit.) It's when the ticket STARTS at $250 that it becomes bullshit.
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Oh, but usually there is a good reason, although not an apparent one.
I can agree with that. I was more talking about these little towns that reduce the speed limit ... when there is no actual town. Case in point;
Back in the early 90's I was driving from Plaqueman, LA up toward Baton Rouge, LA and just south of the I-10 bridge about ... oh, 10 or 15 miles there was a spot in the road. Literally. There was a spot where there was nothing more than a city limit sign and from that city limit sign you could actually see the back of the other city limit sign. There was nothing else. Nothing. I didn't realize that the speed limit dropped from 55 mph to 40 mph between these 2 signs. It was a stretch about a quarter of a mile long. Lo and behold there was a 'city' cop sitting between these 2 signs and he pulled me over for speeding.
While he was writing me a ticket a guy in a Jeep pulled up behind his car. The guy driving the Jeep ran up to the cop car and said "I have a VERY sick child in the car, can you give me an escort to the hospital!" The cop told him to hold on a second. I looked at the cop and said, you know, you could go give that guy some help. The cop said "you'd like that wouldn't you ..." I couldn't believe it!
The guy in the Jeep sat back there for about a minute before he realized the cop was going to continue giving me the ticket so he took off. I mean like a rocket! The cop looked at me for a second, told me to slow down and ran back to his car to chase the Jeep driver. The last I saw of either of them they were crossing the Mississippi River bridge going into Baton Rouge and the cop was still behind the Jeep.
That's the kind of stuff I'm talking about.
For what it's worth, I haven't had a speeding ticket since 1994. I just think most speeding laws are ridiculous. If you drive carefully I see no problem with traveling quite a bit faster than the posted speed limits on most state highways and interstates. In some cases if you aren't *Houston**cough, cough* you become the problem.
KC
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Missouri has a bad reputation in Nebraska, for pulling stunts.
In Nebraska, one usually gets a mile, or half-mile, warning that the speed limit's going to drop on down the road.
In Missouri, in some places, within six feet (or so it seems), the speed limit drops from, say, 60 mph to 25 mph, no advance warning.
Also, I've heard that one gets speeding tickets in Missouri for going a mere one mile an hour over the speed-limit.
For out-of-staters coming to Nebraska, the informal rule is that that, for example, in a 60 mph zone, anything up to 64 mph is ignored; anything between 64 mph and 67 mph is chancy, and over that, it's a sure thing a cop's going to stop you; usually a warning if one has no recent record, but a ticket's guaranteed if 70 mph or over. In a 40 mph zone, anything up to 42.5 mph is tolerated and ignored, for another example; between that and 45 mph is dicey, and a ticket for sure at 50 mph and above.
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Here's a couple of interesting stories for those who don't think this is about revenue;
AUDIT FINDS PROBLEMS
At its peak, Macks Creek, population 272, was making a living off traffic tickets, writing an estimated 2,900 a year. (The town would have ranked in the Top 15 in both Post-Dispatch speed trap measures.) Fines accounted for three-quarters of annual town revenue.
But then Macks Creek police pulled over several lawmakers. One state representative, Delbert Scott, was stopped for his tires' touching the white line along the shoulder.
Scott, now a state senator from Lowry City, drafted the bill that would become the speed trap law.
"I was looking at some way to still address safety issues, but for towns that just do it for the money, get at them," Scott recently explained.
Less than three years after the law was passed, Macks Creek filed for bankruptcy.
Read more: http://www.stltoday.com/news/article_cdc4e8c1-4243-5d2b-96c3-487bda8bb60b.html#ixzz1xruu60yB
Randolph, Mo., a tiny suburb of Kansas City, is the first Missouri municipality to be found in violation of the state's so-called speed trap law, state auditor Susan Montee's office announced this morning.
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The state audit found Randolph relied too heavily on certain traffic fines for its operating revenues. State law says towns and cities can not generate more than 35 percent of total operating revenues from traffic fines and court costs collected on state and federal roads.
In Randolph, those traffic fines and court costs accounted for between 75 percent and 83 percent of the town's $270,043 annual revenues last year, according to the audit.
Read more: http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/article_19e8a57e-c04c-11df-89fe-00127992bc8b.html#ixzz1xrv3czof
There's more out there. My question to some of you would be; Would you be upset if you received a ticket for doing 56 mph in a 55 mph zone? If so ... why?
KC
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No ma'am. That is incorrect in a lot of states, Texas included. State law says the left lane is for passing only. If you are not actively passing a vehicle and you're in the left lane you can be cited.
Also, if you are forcing people to pass you on the right you are forcing them to break a law. You are not supposed to pass on the right.
When you are driving in the left lane people can't see around you so they don't know if you are passing or if you are simply driving in the left lane. That's why our sterring wheels are on the left side of the car. I seriously can't figure out why anyone would WANT to drive in the left lane. What's the appeal?? The only reason I've been able to come up with is it makes them feel powerful stacking traffic up behind them. Is there another reason I'm missing?
KC
You are cooooorect. The law actually says passing or preparing to make a left turn. The primary reason for left over right pass is the pasee has a much larger blind spot on the right side of his car. The other thing I love about TX, is on a two lane road, folks will pull over on the shoulder to allow a pass. Of course we have the advantage of long flat stretches of road to facilitate this. I think you are right about the appeal. Seems to be some sort of passive aggressive game.
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Um if I am going over the speed and passing people in the left lane I am not being passive aggressive just because you want to go faster than me.
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Um if I am going over the speed and passing people in the left lane I am not being passive aggressive just because you want to go faster than me.
Sorry, you confused me (not difficult). Are you saying passing people in the left lane or did you mean passing people while you are in the left lane?
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Um if I am going over the speed and passing people in the left lane I am not being passive aggressive just because you want to go faster than me.
Gina, I don't think anyone has a problem with someone in the left lane who is actually passing people. What I posted about was this comment you made;
And about left lane driving..........Pfffft! if one is doing the speed limit in the left lane then that is lawful. It's your job to figure out how to pass.
If you're in the left lane and you're not actively passing someone you should move to the right whether you are going faster than the posted speed limit or not. The left lane is not a driving lane it is a passing lane.
I get behind folks all the time who want to remain in the left lane, after awhile it becomes obvious they are not passing and since you can't see around them you have to ease over to the right to peek to make sure they are not passing someone. I'd bet a good 50% of the time when I move to the right to pass them they will speed up to try to box me in before they get to the next car "they're passing."
KC
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Here's a couple of interesting stories for those who don't think this is about revenue;
There's more out there. My question to some of you would be; Would you be upset if you received a ticket for doing 56 mph in a 55 mph zone? If so ... why?
KC
Yes. Because the accuracy of a speedometer is plus or minus five percent. Add in the error of the cop's radar or laser (assume another 5 percent, but that's high) and we have a cumulative error of 10 percent.
And I'd argue that in court. Now if I was going 66 in a 55, pay it and shut up.
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The last ticket I got for anything was a speeding ticket back in 1982. Ah, the good old days of the 55MPH garbage. :rant:
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Yes. Because the accuracy of a speedometer is plus or minus five percent. Add in the error of the cop's radar or laser (assume another 5 percent, but that's high) and we have a cumulative error of 10 percent.
And I'd argue that in court. Now if I was going 66 in a 55, pay it and shut up.
That's kind of my point. If you make those assumption how can anyone justify driving in the left lane when "I'm doing the speed limit?" How do you know you're doing the speed limit? Because your speedometer says so?
I don't judge anyone on their speed if they're driving safely and courteously.
KC
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That's kind of my point. If you make those assumption how can anyone justify driving in the left lane when "I'm doing the speed limit?" How do you know you're doing the speed limit? Because your speedometer says so?
I don't judge anyone on their speed if they're driving safely and courteously.
KC
Just a question. If you are speeding in the left lane and come upon someone in the left lane driving slower than you, what do you do?
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Quote from Gina...
"You are justifying it. If you are willing to think that you don't have to follow a simple law or "code violation" then you are just going to think you can move on up in the severity of law breaking."
It's odd how I haven't had the first thought of moving up in the severity of law breaking. Remember, there are laws still on the books in almost all states like taking baths on saturdays that people are breaking all the time. Just because a law is a law doesn't mean you are immoral for not obeying it. Morality is a higher law.
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Just a question. If you are speeding in the left lane and come upon someone in the left lane driving slower than you, what do you do?
I fall in behind then and wait for them to complete their pass and move to the right.
KC
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I fall in behind then and wait for them to complete their pass and move to the right.
KC
BUT what if they continue in the lane?
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BUT what if they continue in the lane?
Better question. Say you are the person in the left lane (not passing or preparing to turn left), what would you want the driver behind you to do.
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"slower traffic keep right" say the signs in Texas. The left lane is for passing. If I forget and stay in it and someone zooms up behind me, I move over. I learned that living in Texas. Flashing brights and riding your bumper will teach ya :-)
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BUT what if they continue in the lane?
I pass them on the right if it's safe to do so, shake my head at their ignorance and move along. I figure most who drive in the left lane must not know any better. It's either that or they are using it as a position of authority....Unless you have another reason to justify why someone would simply drive in the left lane.
KC
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"slower traffic keep right" say the signs in Texas. The left lane is for passing. If I forget and stay in it and someone zooms up behind me, I move over. I learned that living in Texas. Flashing brights and riding your bumper will teach ya :-)
Dixie, they've actually changed those signs now. Now they say "Left Lane Passing Only". Interestingly enough going to and coming back from North Carolina week before last several of the states had signs saying the left lane was for passing only and on top of the sign they had a bright yellow banner with black lettering that said "STATE LAW".
KC
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Better question. Say you are the person in the left lane (not passing or preparing to turn left), what would you want the driver behind you to do.
Good question.
KC
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One of the things I've always found interesting while traveling (and I used to do a LOT of it) was when I would see someone who was hugging the left lane for miles and miles and miles, not passing most of the time ... just driving in the left lane. What was interesting to watch was what they did when THEY came upon someone who was driving in the left lane. It was almost comical at times. Neither wanted to abandon "their" lane. Heh.
The ones who scare me are the hardcore, dedicated "I own the left hand f*cking lane" drivers. The ones who enter the interstate from an on ramp and immediately shoot across 2, 3, and sometimes 4 lanes of traffic so they may have the left lane. I had one do that to me in Alabama week before last. I literally was slowed down from 75 mph to 45 mph in a matter of seconds and watched 4 other cars take evasive maneuvers to accommodate this wretched bitch.
KC
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Good question.
KC
Yeah but, she didn't fall for it.
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Yeah but, she didn't fall for it.
She hasn't replied yet. I'm sure she will. :whatever:
:-)
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Better question. Say you are the person in the left lane (not passing or preparing to turn left), what would you want the driver behind you to do.
Yeh I came back to answer it.
I think we are getting confused on what I am saying, myself included :panic:
If I am going fast and passing, I am going to keep on passing. You can ride behind me while I am speeding. I am not going to break my neck to get over for you. I will get over when it's safe and I am sure you aren't going to whip around me at the same time.
I do not get in the left lane and just set myself on cruise doing the posted speed. But if I am driving and I do get behind someone doing that, I get over in the right lane and pass them. I don't shake my head at them, flip them off, or cut them off like most assholes do. I figure they paid just as much for the road as me and I don't own it outright. Plus it's a bit simple to get my blood pressure worked up over.
NOW if I am speeding and passing in the left lane and you fly up on my bumper and hug it, keep moving over to the left like you are going to pass me in the emergency lane or flash you lights at me. Well I can be a bitch and I will start to let my foot off the gas and I will **** with you. Blame the red hair. :rant:
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OMG. I used to be married to a left lane driver. How embarassing! :thatsright: I loved driving to Rockport from Dallas last year, SH 77 was a great road. 70MPH in most places, farm trucks pulling off on the shoulder, and a lovely homeowner outside of Rosebud that would post signs on their property warning for speed traps up ahead. :-)
Couple of years ago, I was driving in east Dallas county and Dallas County Constables were out with radars. WTF? They had just mentioned on the news a few days before how they were losing money. Hmmmmm.....
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my local talk radio tells us in the traffic if there is a cop out there..........they will say "And traffic is slowing down on I-780 @ the Smith Rd Ramp for some law enforcement activity, wink wink"
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Yeh I came back to answer it.
Pretty much as I expected.
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Yeh I came back to answer it.
I think we are getting confused on what I am saying, myself included :panic:
If I am going fast and passing, I am going to keep on passing. You can ride behind me while I am speeding. I am not going to break my neck to get over for you. I will get over when it's safe and I am sure you aren't going to whip around me at the same time.
I do not get in the left lane and just set myself on cruise doing the posted speed. But if I am driving and I do get behind someone doing that, I get over in the right lane and pass them. I don't shake my head at them, flip them off, or cut them off like most assholes do. I figure they paid just as much for the road as me and I don't own it outright. Plus it's a bit simple to get my blood pressure worked up over.
NOW if I am speeding and passing in the left lane and you fly up on my bumper and hug it, keep moving over to the left like you are going to pass me in the emergency lane or flash you lights at me. Well I can be a bitch and I will start to let my foot off the gas and I will **** with you. Blame the red hair. :rant:
I do the same, Gina (and I'm not a redhead). I also, as I said, in the day turn my lights on to make it look as if I'm braking. If they turn on their brights at night, I temporarily move my rearview mirror so I'm not bothered. I detest tailgaters and if they want to get by and tailgate me, I always make it even harder on them. The ones who hang back a few decent car lengths will see me change lanes to the next lane at right as soon as I get a chance. Bad behavior gets ****ed with, good behavior gets rewarded. Under no circumstances will I budge for a tailgater (unless it's a police or EMS vehicle, obviously).
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I do the same, Gina (and I'm not a redhead). I also, as I said, in the day turn my lights on to make it look as if I'm braking. If they turn on their brights at night, I temporarily move my rearview mirror so I'm not bothered. I detest tailgaters and if they want to get by and tailgate me, I always make it even harder on them. The ones who hang back a few decent car lengths will see me change lanes to the next lane at right as soon as I get a chance. Bad behavior gets ****ed with, good behavior gets rewarded. Under no circumstances will I budge for a tailgater (unless it's a police or EMS vehicle, obviously).
Why go half assed? Stick it to them too.
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That's kind of my point. If you make those assumption how can anyone justify driving in the left lane when "I'm doing the speed limit?" How do you know you're doing the speed limit? Because your speedometer says so?
I don't judge anyone on their speed if they're driving safely and courteously.
KC
By the same token, I have absolutely NO problem with a cop giving a ticket to someone driving the speed limit on a four-lane highway (like the Spaulding) if they're not passing someone or doing what I call the "Polock Roadblock" and not letting people by.
Tourists are the WORST for that.
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I do the same, Gina (and I'm not a redhead). I also, as I said, in the day turn my lights on to make it look as if I'm braking. If they turn on their brights at night, I temporarily move my rearview mirror so I'm not bothered. I detest tailgaters and if they want to get by and tailgate me, I always make it even harder on them. The ones who hang back a few decent car lengths will see me change lanes to the next lane at right as soon as I get a chance. Bad behavior gets ****ed with, good behavior gets rewarded. Under no circumstances will I budge for a tailgater (unless it's a police or EMS vehicle, obviously).
How is one to know what your idea of a 'few decent car lenghts' is? Just out of curiosity.
Me, I don't care who it is, get close to me, I move over because you obviously want to travel faster than I do and I'll pull in between cars on the right (if there's enough space) and even slow down momentarily to let you by. If I see you coming up on me quickly, again, I'm getting out of your way. Hell, I may want to follow you for awhile so I know if there's any cops up ahead.
I don't need any drama on the road. I just want to get where I'm going and really don't need any altercations. I try to stay out of everyone's way.
KC
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How is one to know what your idea of a 'few decent car lenghts' is? Just out of curiosity.
Me, I don't care who it is, get close to me, I move over because you obviously want to travel faster than I do and I'll pull in between cars on the right (if there's enough space) and even slow down momentarily to let you by. If I see you coming up on me quickly, again, I'm getting out of your way. Hell, I may want to follow you for awhile so I know if there's any cops up ahead.
I don't need any drama on the road. I just want to get where I'm going and really don't need any altercations. I try to stay out of everyone's way.
KC
I usually do this, also. The ones I mess with are the ones that follow me for several miles, not really catching up, until I pull out to pass. Then they will also pull out and zoom up on my tail. Just for them, I'll sometimes slow down and pace the car I'm passing for a couple miles before I speed back up and go on around. I usually do it with a quick brake, also...let them figure I have a radar detector or something. :-)
Someday, I'm going to get or make a light-up sign for my back window with the little "pee on" boy and the word "Tailgaters." If I can, the yellow lights will sequence down. :rofl:
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How is one to know what your idea of a 'few decent car lenghts' is? Just out of curiosity.
Me, I don't care who it is, get close to me, I move over because you obviously want to travel faster than I do and I'll pull in between cars on the right (if there's enough space) and even slow down momentarily to let you by. If I see you coming up on me quickly, again, I'm getting out of your way. Hell, I may want to follow you for awhile so I know if there's any cops up ahead.
I don't need any drama on the road. I just want to get where I'm going and really don't need any altercations. I try to stay out of everyone's way.
KC
If I can't see the grill area of your car in my mirrors (while driving at highway speeds), you are too damn close. I'm not a left lane bandit and I don't make it a habit of staying there unless passing. But if I am doing say 72 in 65 and I am passing a couple of semi trucks that might take me a minute or so to get past at that speed, and you come up on me and ride my bumper...
I'm going to slow down to about 67 and make you wait even longer.
If you are in that big a hurry to get somewhere where an additional few minutes is going to make you late.... You should have left earlier.
I spend about 50% of my work day behind the wheel and I consider myself a safe and courteous driver, and I have absolutely no use for aggressive drivers that think they own the whole damn road.
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I hat the assholes that stay in the right lane while the left is empty and come up fast from behind while you are slowing down to make a right turn. I'm not talking about the highway but on 4 lanes city streets.
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If I can't see the grill area of your car in my mirrors (while driving at highway speeds), you are too damn close. I'm not a left lane bandit and I don't make it a habit of staying there unless passing. But if I am doing say 72 in 65 and I am passing a couple of semi trucks that might take me a minute or so to get past at that speed, and you come up on me and ride my bumper...
I'm going to slow down to about 67 and make you wait even longer.
If you are in that big a hurry to get somewhere where an additional few minutes is going to make you late.... You should have left earlier.
I spend about 50% of my work day behind the wheel and I consider myself a safe and courteous driver, and I have absolutely no use for aggressive drivers that think they own the whole damn road.
Yes, yes, yes and more yes! :cheersmate:
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According to my calculations, this thread is double hot. If anyone wants to know what I base my calculations on, feel free to ask, and I shall share my methodology.
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According to my calculations, this thread is double hot. If anyone wants to know what I base my calculations on, feel free to ask, and I shall share my methodology.
Do you have to use banned words to do so?
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Do you have to use banned words to do so?
That is a most excellent question.
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That is a most excellent question.
Since you are on the thread, I have another most excellent question. Earlier in the thread someone (I shall not name) used the term "Polock Roadblock". Since I am 1/2 Ukrainian which is practically a Pollack, is this actionable? More to the point, is a banned word banned if it is misspelled?
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Since you are on the thread, I have another most excellent question. Earlier in the thread someone (I shall not name) used the term "Polock Roadblock". Since I am 1/2 Ukrainian which is practically a Pollack, is this actionable? More to the point, is a banned word banned if it is misspelled?
There is precedent for banning misspelled words that are offshoots of banned words. Let me put some thought into the Polack, and Ukrainian angles. I'm leaning away from adding them from my banned list. But I'll give you a rteadout as soon as I can.
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There is precedent for banning misspelled words that are offshoots of banned words. Let me put some thought into the Polack, and Ukrainian angles. I'm leaning away from adding them from my banned list. But I'll give you a rteadout as soon as I can.
Well I wish to register my deep offense. I was born in Grand Rapids MI which is to Pollaks as Detroit is to ragheads. I suffered years of jokes like: How can you tell the bride at a Polish wedding? (rim shot) She's the one with braided armpit hair.
Edit: Since you are putting some thought into this, I would request you ponder the terms "Uke" or "Uker" which I also find deeply offensive.
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Well I wish to register my deep offense. I was born in Grand Rapids MI which is to Pollaks as Detroit is to ragheads. I suffered years of jokes like: How can you tell the bride at a Polish wedding? (rim shot) She's the one with braided armpit hair.
I'm really shying away from banning the word Polish, it so resembles polish. Although shinola is polish, and I am seriously considering adding that word to my list of banned words.
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Since you are on the thread, I have another most excellent question. Earlier in the thread someone (I shall not name) used the term "Polock Roadblock". Since I am 1/2 Ukrainian which is practically a Pollack, is this actionable? More to the point, is a banned word banned if it is misspelled?
I'm of Polish ancestry, so I get to use Polock any time I wish. Same with Mick (also part Irish.)
I'm not part Italian, so I don't get to use Wop or Dago.
ETA: Speaking of jokes, how do you tell the difference between an Irish wedding and an Irish funeral? One less drunk.
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By the same token, I have absolutely NO problem with a cop giving a ticket to someone driving the speed limit on a four-lane highway (like the Spaulding) if they're not passing someone or doing what I call the "Polock Roadblock" and not letting people by.
Tourists are the WORST for that.
No , you mean Massholes.
Yesterday, I was driving home from mum's. I was already going 70 something, a masshole drove up behind me, and flashed her high beams...wtf???? to go faster????
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No , you mean Massholes.
Yesterday, I was driving home from mum's. I was already going 70 something, a masshole drove up behind me, and flashed her high beams...wtf???? to go faster????
Did I say Massholes? Moi?
And for the record, no, not just Massholes. Other flatlanders. Hell, you get the old time Mainers who never drive their cars faster than they can drive their tractors.
And even a few locals are guilty of that crap, too.
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No , you mean Massholes.
Yesterday, I was driving home from mum's. I was already going 70 something, a masshole drove up behind me, and flashed her high beams...wtf???? to go faster????
Tap your brakes.
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Tap your brakes.
Better yet, slam them on.
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Down here in the Lone Star State we just drive the speed limit or the temperature whichever is higher. Keep it simple, I say.
I wish, my truck couldnt even go as fast as the temperature most days
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We are having an increased police activity here pulling over speeders. People speed big time on the highways here (75mph+ in 55). People are writing into the paper about getting tickets and how the cops are just going for a money grab by writing tickets for speeding.
How do you really feel about cops writing tickets?
Even if it is a money grab, if someone is breaking the law isn't that just tough shit? don't break a posted speed and you won't get a ticket?
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We are having an increased police activity here pulling over speeders. People speed big time on the highways here (75mph+ in 55). People are writing into the paper about getting tickets and how the cops are just going for a money grab by writing tickets for speeding.
How do you really feel about cops writing tickets?
Even if it is a money grab, if someone is breaking the law isn't that just tough shit? don't break a posted speed and you won't get a ticket?
You don't live in the exit-less, sparsely-populated wastelands where roads are more or less straight and so speed limits have no particular real importance. Where you are, very few, if any, highways are designed to successfully handle traffic with a bunch of narcissists blasting along at more than 20 mph over the limit, mixed in with everyone else. Tickets for 20+ over are not just the cops being chickenshit, the dumbshits that get caught that far over know damn' well they were blowing out the limit and deserve nothing but mockery for whining about it.
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How is one to know what your idea of a 'few decent car lenghts' is? Just out of curiosity.
Me, I don't care who it is, get close to me, I move over because you obviously want to travel faster than I do and I'll pull in between cars on the right (if there's enough space) and even slow down momentarily to let you by. If I see you coming up on me quickly, again, I'm getting out of your way. Hell, I may want to follow you for awhile so I know if there's any cops up ahead.
I don't need any drama on the road. I just want to get where I'm going and really don't need any altercations. I try to stay out of everyone's way.
KC
It's a judgment call on car lengths, as so much is when driving, but I know what ISN'T right: a few feet, like so many tailgaters do. The ones who come close but not so close that they couldn't brake in time to avoid an accident are obvious, that is, it's clear they want to get by but are being safe and not pushy about it, and I move to the right as soon as I can to let them by.
Can't agree with that (moving for someone no matter what). I drive reasonably fast (above the speed limit), within a range I know the police don't ticket for. So I'm already well above the posted speed limit in the leftmost lane. That should be good enough for anyone, except emergency vehicles, which naturally have to go way above the the speed limit sometimes. If some drivers want to get by me that badly then it means they're speeders, so why should I accommodate them? If they weren't speeding in the first place, they wouldn't be tailgating me. And why should I be forced to go more slowly in the lanes to the right because some asswipe has to go 90-100 mph in a 65 zone?
I don't want drama either, but I'm not going to have my peaceful driving disrupted for the sake of speeding tailgaters' ultra-Type A road anger. I don't want to change lanes constantly to accommodate these schmucks and I'm not going to, ever. I want a nice, quiet, fast trip, and there's no reason these jerks can't go around me 90% of the time. If they want around that badly let THEM do the hard work. I'm just minding my business driving---at a good clip. THEY'RE the ones who want something--me, I'm driving and minding my own business when a tailgater comes up. So since they want it, let them do the work for it.
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Tap your brakes.
Right on.
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It's a judgment call on car lengths, as so much is when driving, but I know what ISN'T right: a few feet, like so many tailgaters do. The ones who come close but not so close that they couldn't brake in time to avoid an accident are obvious, that is, it's clear they want to get by but are being safe and not pushy about it, and I move to the right as soon as I can to let them by.
Can't agree with that (moving for someone no matter what). I drive reasonably fast (above the speed limit), within a range I know the police don't ticket for. So I'm already well above the posted speed limit in the leftmost lane. That should be good enough for anyone, except emergency vehicles, which naturally have to go way above the the speed limit sometimes. If some drivers want to get by me that badly then it means they're speeders, so why should I accommodate them? If they weren't speeding in the first place, they wouldn't be tailgating me. And why should I be forced to go more slowly in the lanes to the right because some asswipe has to go 90-100 mph in a 65 zone?
I don't want drama either, but I'm not going to have my peaceful driving disrupted for the sake of speeding tailgaters' ultra-Type A road anger. I don't want to change lanes constantly to accommodate these schmucks and I'm not going to, ever. I want a nice, quiet, fast trip, and there's no reason these jerks can't go around me 90% of the time. If they want around that badly let THEM do the hard work. I'm just minding my business driving---at a good clip. THEY'RE the ones who want something--me, I'm driving and minding my own business when a tailgater comes up. So since they want it, let them do the work for it.
:thumbs: :II: I like the way you think
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I was going to leave this thread alone but I thought this was rather amusing;
Can't agree with that (moving for someone no matter what). I drive reasonably fast (above the speed limit), within a range I know the police don't ticket for. So I'm already well above the posted speed limit in the leftmost lane. That should be good enough for anyone, except emergency vehicles, which naturally have to go way above the the speed limit sometimes. If some drivers want to get by me that badly then it means they're speeders, so why should I accommodate them? If they weren't speeding in the first place, they wouldn't be tailgating me. And why should I be forced to go more slowly in the lanes to the right because some asswipe has to go 90-100 mph in a 65 zone?
Kind of hypocritical don't ya think? :-)
It all boils down to what George Carlin said; Anyone going faster than you is an idiot and anyone going slower than you is an asshole.
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I was going to leave this thread alone but I thought this was rather amusing;
Kind of hypocritical don't ya think? :-)
It all boils down to what George Carlin said; Anyone going faster than you is an idiot and anyone going slower than you is an asshole.
KC
I understand that I'm "speeding" as posted above, but I'm with the main flow of traffic, and I'm at a speed that the police, in their judgment, consider not worthy of ticketing because it poses no danger. The speeders I'm talking about are serious menaces, and wouldn't be behind me if they weren't trying to go at speeds that are much more dangerous, so no, there is no hypocrisy here, and no matter how you slice it, tailgating is wrong, dangerous, and seriously rude--at any speed.
The fact that fines and penalties become higher for higher speeds above the speed limit demonstrate that speeding isn't an all-or-nothing/pass-fail issue in the minds of local legislators, either.
As I said (and thanks Gina)--let the driver who wants to go SUPER-fast do the work and go around me. Why should I have to go slower than I want to in the lanes to the right, when I'm already going plenty fast?
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As I said (and thanks Gina)--let the driver who wants to go SUPER-fast do the work and go around me. Why should I have to go slower than I want to in the lanes to the right, when I'm already going plenty fast?
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This is a great idea!! Are we going to change the "keep right except to pass/turn" on the books in most states or, just ignore them. Or better yet we could just pass a national law that everybody has to drive whatever speed you happen to want to drive.
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This is a great idea!! Are we going to change the "keep right except to pass/turn" on the books in most states or, just ignore them. Or better yet we could just pass a national law that everybody has to drive whatever speed you happen to want to drive.
If you want to read a reductio ad absurdam into my simple point, be my guest. But you wind up the absurd one.
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Looks like I've found a couple of folks who feel the need to defend their tailgating "rights."
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Looks like I've found a couple of folks who feel the need to defend their tailgating "rights."
I don't tailgate. Ever. But I've been behind a lot of folks who think they own the left lane and I've followed them literally for miles because they wouldn't get out of the way for *insert whatever reason* and they feel justified in that reason.
I was simply pointing out how you seem to feel your speeding is justified while *others* are not. You said if someone was going faster than you then let them do the hard work on figuring out how to pass you. Why is your speeding ok but theirs is just *crazy driving*?
I'm a very defensive driver. If you want around me I will accommodate you anyway I can. Forcing you to pass me on the right is not my idea of being a courteous driver. I have no problem of doing the hard work .... *turning on a turn signal, checking my mirrors and slightly turning my steering wheel* Doesn't seem hard to me but I guess to some it could.
Just because I point out something or defend something doesn't mean I condone or participate in it. I HATE red light cameras but I don't run red lights. I HATE smoking bans but I've never smoked a day in my life. I HATE certain words are banned (unless you are a certain color/religion/nationality/etc ...) but I don't use them.
I don't like seeing on this thread there are those who would impede the flow of traffic because it inconveniences *them* but don't see a problem inconveniencing others. So, you would keep someone behind you because you feel they're going faster than they should. What if *insert name of NASCAR driver here* were behind you? They have all the skills needed to do a measley 100 mph don't they?
While I don't drive 100 mph I do go over the limit ... again, I haven't had a speeding ticket in 18 years. I get locked in a LOT when I drive the interstate because somebody thinks I'm doing something *they* don't like. Maybe they think I'm too close. Maybe they think I'm going too fast. Maybe they think my headlights are too bright. Maybe they don't like that I'm driving a huge pickup that only gets 18 mpg.
Chances are you've gotten behind someone who has ran a roadblock on you before and it pissed you off because *you* were driving fine.
Again, George Carlin comes to mind; Anyone driving faster than YOU is an idiot. Anyone driving slower than YOU is an asshole.
Me, I'll just keep getting out of the way and making good time. I just got back from a 3,000 mile trip to see my son before he headed off to Afghanistan. I made it from Austin to Ft. Bragg, NC in 20 hours with no accidents or speeding tickets going to or coming back from. I think I do okay.
KC
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Oh, and the main reason I'm so defensive in my driving is because I spend a lot of time in the saddle of a Harley. When you're the smallest guy on the road you tend to be a little more courteous. I think everyone should have to ride a motorcycle for their main transportation for 2 years. Driving habits would be a LOT different.
KC
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Looks like I've found a couple of folks who feel the need to defend their tailgating "rights."
I would follow you :-)
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I don't tailgate. Ever. KC
Me either. Amen to the rest of your post. Lead, follow or get the f*** out of the way.
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Me either. Amen to the rest of your post. Lead, follow or get the f*** out of the way.
And stay the freak out of my safe zone! Boundaries save lives.
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Oh, and the main reason I'm so defensive in my driving is because I spend a lot of time in the saddle of a Harley. When you're the smallest guy on the road you tend to be a little more courteous. I think everyone should have to ride a motorcycle for their main transportation for 2 years. Driving habits would be a LOT different.
KC
:werd: :exactly: :clap:
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Oh, and the main reason I'm so defensive in my driving is because I spend a lot of time in the saddle of a Harley. When you're the smallest guy on the road you tend to be a little more courteous. I think everyone should have to ride a motorcycle for their main transportation for 2 years. Driving habits would be a LOT different.
KC
Do they make Harleys that small??? cause I would!!
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Do they make Harleys that small??? cause I would!!
Yes ma'am they do. Lots of women riders out there and I like seeing them!
KC
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Yes ma'am they do. Lots of women riders out there and I like seeing them!
KC
I would love a Harley!! grab some colthes in a knapsack and off I would go......Maybe even get a little side car for Jingles