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Sub Skipper Relieved in Navy Probe
« on: November 30, 2010, 12:31:08 AM »


GROTON -- The commanding officer of the USS Memphis has been relieved of duty and 10 crew members removed from the ship while the Navy investigates allegations that the submarine's training examinations had been tampered with.

The commander of Submarine Development Squadron 12 relieved Cmdr. Charles Maher as the commanding officer of the Memphis (SSN 691), a Groton-based Los Angeles-class submarine, on Thursday because of a loss of confidence in his ability to command, the Navy said in a statement Friday.



The Navy also said Friday that 10 Memphis crew members are suspected of tampering with the answer keys used in the engineering department training exams.

Maher was not accused of any involvement in the tampering, the Navy said in the statement, but "his leadership and performance fostered an environment which failed to uphold the high standards of integrity of the Submarine Force and the Navy."

The Navy was not confident that Maher would be able to "improve the command's environment and execute the ship's mission," the statement said.

The 10 crew members were removed from the ship as part of the investigation, said Lt. Cmdr. Mark C. Jones, spokesman for the commander of the Submarine Force.



Maher has been reassigned to administrative duties at Submarine Group Two in Groton. Capt. Carl Lahti, recently the deputy commander of Development Squadron 12, now commands the Memphis.

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Re: Sub Skipper Relieved in Navy Probe
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2010, 06:34:50 AM »
WTF is it lately with Eng. Department exams not being kept locked up? 

I've heard a lot of complaints from instructors in the pipeline that Nuke School and prototype are not filters anymore, they're pumps.  Guess what happens when we don't filter out the weak ones during the training?
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Re: Sub Skipper Relieved in Navy Probe
« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2010, 06:44:21 AM »
WTF is it lately with Eng. Department exams not being kept locked up? 

I've heard a lot of complaints from instructors in the pipeline that Nuke School and prototype are not filters anymore, they're pumps.  Guess what happens when we don't filter out the weak ones during the training?

When I read this...I automatically thought of the book that former Submariner wrote where he claimed cheating was encouraged...this was the guy that it took like 9 tries for him to pass.

Any chance the book and this are related?
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Re: Sub Skipper Relieved in Navy Probe
« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2010, 06:59:01 AM »
When I read this...I automatically thought of the book that former Submariner wrote where he claimed cheating was encouraged...this was the guy that it took like 9 tries for him to pass.

Any chance the book and this are related?

Not really.  Sounds like a divisional exam that was passed out.  Problem is in nuke world, NR (Naval Reactors) has always had this very goofed up notion that tests should be in a nice neat little box...GPA too high, too low, too many failures, NO failures, etc., always seems to bring up unwanted scrutiny. 

On the boats of late it seems like qual exams and continuing training exams are getting more like the Spanish Inquisition than a test of knowledge on a particular system or subject.  My BEQ exam when I initially qualified was 4 hours long.  My RO and SRO exams were 8 hours each.  Lock me in a room with no RPM's or other study materials, come back when the time is up or I'm done.  That's pretty much how it was back in the day.

And if you didn't pass, doom on you--none of this "wink and a nod" and don't look at those books when you take that test (wink, wink) BS--not if you wanted to keep your NEC and crow.  I don't know why the boats (by decree of NR) decided to make brain surgeons out of operators, or try to anyway, but the exam system is pretty much out of control.  In addition to all the other BS we have to deal with back aft, we have to deal with developing our own training programs too, with an ever-changing expectation?  WTF?  Why not have NR come up with a standard program and make all the boats adhere to that, with any additional information class or boat specific?
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Re: Sub Skipper Relieved in Navy Probe
« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2010, 09:32:41 AM »
Not really.  Sounds like a divisional exam that was passed out.  Problem is in nuke world, NR (Naval Reactors) has always had this very goofed up notion that tests should be in a nice neat little box...GPA too high, too low, too many failures, NO failures, etc., always seems to bring up unwanted scrutiny. 

On the boats of late it seems like qual exams and continuing training exams are getting more like the Spanish Inquisition than a test of knowledge on a particular system or subject.  My BEQ exam when I initially qualified was 4 hours long.  My RO and SRO exams were 8 hours each.  Lock me in a room with no RPM's or other study materials, come back when the time is up or I'm done.  That's pretty much how it was back in the day.

And if you didn't pass, doom on you--none of this "wink and a nod" and don't look at those books when you take that test (wink, wink) BS--not if you wanted to keep your NEC and crow.  I don't know why the boats (by decree of NR) decided to make brain surgeons out of operators, or try to anyway, but the exam system is pretty much out of control.  In addition to all the other BS we have to deal with back aft, we have to deal with developing our own training programs too, with an ever-changing expectation?  WTF?  Why not have NR come up with a standard program and make all the boats adhere to that, with any additional information class or boat specific?

My heart goes out to the skipper and his family. A wonderful carear come to a stop because of crap going on without his knowledge.

However as I told Radioguy, the Captain has to stand or fall on his watch.  What his crew are doing that he knows nothing about is no excuses in the law of the high seas, the Skipper is responsible for every  thing regardless if he knows about it or not.

Not a job for the faint of heart, the Skipper has to know his boat as he knows the body of his wife.

Too many Skippers run their ships as civilians do a company's are the CEO but have no idea who is sweeping the floors at night.

The skipper cannot point his finger at anyone but himself, ---if his crew is cheating on exams, that is the problem of the Captain to not have been aware of.

Frustrating for Skippers that have Officers assigned to them and the men are not to be relied on.  The Skipper can holler to high heaven to get these men off their boat, but in the end they are left to attempt to sail with these idiots aboard and find a way to get back into home port re guardless of the incompetence of his Officers.

Then the not be spoken of world of politics, if a skipper is not popular with the powers that be, any little thing can remove him from his comand.


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Re: Sub Skipper Relieved in Navy Probe
« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2010, 09:50:10 AM »
My heart goes out to the skipper and his family. A wonderful carear come to a stop because of crap going on without his knowledge.

However as I told Radioguy, the Captain has to stand or fall on his watch.  What his crew are doing that he knows nothing about is no excuses in the law of the high seas, the Skipper is responsible for every  thing regardless if he knows about it or not.

Not a job for the faint of heart, the Skipper has to know his boat as he knows the body of his wife.

Too many Skippers run their ships as civilians do a company's are the CEO but have no idea who is sweeping the floors at night.

The skipper cannot point his finger at anyone but himself, ---if his crew is cheating on exams, that is the problem of the Captain to not have been aware of.

Frustrating for Skippers that have Officers assigned to them and the men are not to be relied on.  The Skipper can holler to high heaven to get these men off their boat, but in the end they are left to attempt to sail with these idiots aboard and find a way to get back into home port re guardless of the incompetence of his Officers.

Then the not be spoken of world of politics, if a skipper is not popular with the powers that be, any little thing can remove him from his comand.



AYFKM?  The CO of a boat is NOT the same as a civilian CEO, nor do CO's run their boats in such a fashion.  You FAIL worse than I even thought possible.  Please, Vesta--for the love of Christ and all that is holy--when you don't know WTF you're talking about, it's okay to be quiet.  Really.
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Re: Sub Skipper Relieved in Navy Probe
« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2010, 09:58:58 AM »
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Re: Sub Skipper Relieved in Navy Probe
« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2010, 10:46:44 AM »
I think vesta thinks she's some sort of authority because one of her husbands (or current, whichever) served on boats in the Navy a bazillion years ago.  :whatever:
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Re: Sub Skipper Relieved in Navy Probe
« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2010, 11:46:54 AM »
Here, Vesta, READ.  Don't comment, just read:

http://bubbleheads.blogspot.com/2010/11/another-one-bites-dust.html#comments

Molten Eagle's 2009 prediction: Non USNA (e.g. Notre Dame) graduates will be systematically culled from the submarine hierarchy in advance of the women's liberation movement into "one of the last bastions of of gender segregation".

Rationale: We can expect more non-academy COs to be relieved as only USNA-minted males can properly assure female underlings are accomodated in the desired PC naval environment.

For any slow learners still needing to be beaten on their heads about what makes the desired environment here it is again.

Awh shoot.... it didn't pick up the link to CO Graf, that mean bitch that got fast tracked because she was female not because she was qualified.
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Re: Sub Skipper Relieved in Navy Probe
« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2010, 04:18:02 PM »
I think vesta thinks she's some sort of authority because one of her husbands (or current, whichever) served on boats in the Navy a bazillion years ago.  :whatever:

Eupher 2 ex husbands to be exact.

You are most correct about the long time ago thing.  When Hubby, no.2 [ deceased] taught at NPS at Mare Island  there was never a whiff of problems back then----Remember we still had Rickover and only God spoke to him.


Young kids, smart as a whip, came to the house 4-5 times a week to study.  No calculaters at that time , they were a year or so away, all was done with slide rule.  Most had problems with theory, but knew the hands on, inside out.

We had a house full of these kids working their ass off to pass the tests.  So many came to the house that--a new neighbor moved in and when I walked over to welcome her she gave me that bitchin stare and told me HER husband had just made Chief and they did not socialize with the enlisted.   One other neighbor was there and we both broke out laughing, tears in our eyes as Hubby drove up in full uniform.-----Chiefs wives are evil,--- we socialised with the enlisted, good normal people.

What has become of the silent service we have today ???? :bawl: