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Fri Sep 20, 2013, 12:52 PM
Star Member MineralMan (57,495 posts)
A Tale of Two Mass Shootings
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One in Washington DC, at the Navy Yard
One in Chicago, at the School Yard Playground
13 People Shot in Each.
One dominates the news on DU all week.
The other warrants just a couple of posts on DU.
One is hot breaking news.
The other barely breaks at all.
Why is there a difference?
Comments welcome.
Puzzledtraveller (3,104 posts)
1. crickets
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Hmm, on edit I'll add.
Well, I think there is a narrative and Chicago does not fit it. As in there are no big problems in the inner cities, go back to bed, turn the page, stop watching Fox or something like that. You would think if the focuse was real on guns and we really needed to drum up support for major change and action these atrocities would be reported on in the national media. They aren't. So, I say it doesn't fit the narrative and it doesn't sell. It's sick. Same thing happens on kidnapping cases.
In other words,no leftist agenda to push.
Response to MineralMan (Original post)
Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:00 PM
Raine1967 (3,474 posts)
2. not enough dead people?
It's Chicago? It was a lot of black people?
I am wondering about this myself, MM.
I am terribly afraid that we are just becoming numb to this. It seems as though the frequency of violence in America is on par with the Middle East. The only difference is the motivation and the firepower.
If the NRA has their way, there will only be 1 difference.
Response to MineralMan (Original post)
Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:01 PM
Blue_Tires (32,913 posts)
3. one had fatalities, the other didn't
one had an identified dead gunman with a mental health past to investigate/analyze, the other didn't
and rightly or wrongly, one is widely generalized to be "nutbar slaughters innocents in a place where shootings never happen" versus "just another day of kids being in the wrong place at the wrong time in Chicago's never-ending gang/drug turf wars"
Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #7)
Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:12 PM
Star Member MineralMan (57,495 posts)
9. But DU isn't the media, at least as most people think of the media.
Apparently the two mass shootings aren't the same to DUers, either. I'm sure everyone heard something about the Chicago shooting, but there doesn't seem to be any curiosity about it. Who was the shooter? What was the shooter's motive? Where are the speculative threads? Do we not care for some reason?
You know why.
Response to MineralMan (Original post)
Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:06 PM
Star Member Kaleva (11,505 posts)
5. Black on black crime doesn't get much attention
Response to MineralMan (Original post)
Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:14 PM
Star Member JustAnotherGen (7,776 posts)
11. I'm sitting on the sidelines
On this one MM.
Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #11)
Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:17 PM
Star Member MineralMan (57,495 posts)
12. So is just about everyone else, it seems.
Which is my point, really.
Where are the voices wondering who the shooter(s) was or were? A terrorist? A deranged ex-military person? Someone who should have been noticed before this happened?
Where's the discussion? Why are we not interested? Same number of innocent people shot as at the Navy Yard. People doing some normal activity, and they suddenly get shot. But, we're not interested, for some reason, in the Chicago shooting.
Response to MineralMan (Reply #12)
Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:42 PM
Star Member JustAnotherGen (7,776 posts)
24. Well I'm interested
And I have my opinion.
But it's going to go over like a lead balloon here .. . because sometimes well meaning liberals take observations about society at large a little too person.
BTW - you already stated my opinion up thread.
Response to MicaelS (Reply #28)
Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:53 PM
Star Member MineralMan (57,495 posts)
30. I wanted to raise the question, and see what others thought
about it. So far, most people have edged around the most likely answer.
DU isn't interested in this mass shooting. Why that is is the subject of the thread. So far, only a few people have approached the question and given the obvious answer. And that's a problem, I think.
Gunman shoots 13 people! Same story in both cases. However, only one of those mass shootings got any traction on DU.
Bottom line: Nobody cares about people playing basketball in a playground. If they get shot, well...you know...
"That kind of thing happens there, you know. People should expect it. It's not the same as the Navy Yard shooting. It's urban Chicago, after all."
I don't like it. I don't like the difference in treatment for two mass shootings. Not one bit.
Leftists are the real racists rock head...just accept it.
Response to MineralMan (Original post)
Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:43 PM
Fumesucker (33,362 posts)
25. The race and or social status of the victims and or the (presumed) shooters is my guess.
Some real social minefields to navigate talking about the Chicago shootings on DU.
We all know how difficult it is to write something that someone won't misinterpret in the worst possible way in the heat of the moment.
But all conservatives are racist for not bowing before Oidiot right?
Response to MineralMan (Original post)
Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:56 PM
Lurks Often (1,890 posts)
31. Because the reporters and politicians don't want Chicago and similar cities to be focused on
because it shows the failures of the local government. They have failed to create jobs, they have failed to control crime and they have failed to lead the people living in these crime ridden areas. When the people living in these crime ridden areas are so afraid of the criminals that they won't cooperate with the police then the system is broken and I really don't see a way to repair it that is legally and morally acceptable.
As an aside, I don't belief the race of the people involved is especially relevant. I think after 4+ generations of crappy jobs, crappy schools, no hope and no way to escape those conditions, you would get the same results with ANY racial or ethnic group.
Let`s see,what is the one constant in that 4+ generations?
Of course we are the ones too stupid to vote in our own best interests.
Response to MineralMan (Original post)
Fri Sep 20, 2013, 02:07 PM
hack89 (23,178 posts)
37. The Chicago shooting is a potential minefield of social and racial issues
that make many here uncomfortable.
The Navy yard can be condensed down to "it is too easy to get guns" and "**** the NRA"
Ya want pepperoni on that?
You have an account here rock head...are you proud?
