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Re: Do people have a right to the basic necessities of life?
« Reply #25 on: November 12, 2009, 11:04:59 AM »
One of the things I have a problem with is that ANY hunting MUST be done with a "license". We should NOT be required to obtain a hunting license in order to survive. Given that, one could "survive" IF they were able to hunt without hindrance. It seems to me that we must "pay" in order to kill one of the King's animals. The rights that I would think that were appropriate would be the right to survive and do whatever is within the 10 Commandments to do so. I also think that Government land, owned by the PEOPLE shouldn't be restricted to anybody as far as camping, hunting, fishing, etc by the imposition of "fees". Lake Texoma (½ a mile away from me) is controlled by the State AND Federal Government. In order to do most anything on or about the lake, one MUST have license or pay a fee (other than just pleasure boating). In order to do any hunting or fishing locally, I must obtain "the Kings Permission" by acquiring a license. Ohh , and in MY county, one CANNOT hunt a deer with a gun, one must use a bow.......  :whatever:

Other than that, I don't believe we have a "right" to anything else.
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Re: Do people have a right to the basic necessities of life?
« Reply #26 on: November 12, 2009, 11:25:46 AM »
One of the things I have a problem with is that ANY hunting MUST be done with a "license". We should NOT be required to obtain a hunting license in order to survive. Given that, one could "survive" IF they were able to hunt without hindrance. It seems to me that we must "pay" in order to kill one of the King's animals. The rights that I would think that were appropriate would be the right to survive and do whatever is within the 10 Commandments to do so. I also think that Government land, owned by the PEOPLE shouldn't be restricted to anybody as far as camping, hunting, fishing, etc by the imposition of "fees". Lake Texoma (½ a mile away from me) is controlled by the State AND Federal Government. In order to do most anything on or about the lake, one MUST have license or pay a fee (other than just pleasure boating). In order to do any hunting or fishing locally, I must obtain "the Kings Permission" by acquiring a license. Ohh , and in MY county, one CANNOT hunt a deer with a gun, one must use a bow.......  :whatever:

Other than that, I don't believe we have a "right" to anything else.
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Re: Do people have a right to the basic necessities of life?
« Reply #27 on: November 12, 2009, 01:10:02 PM »
I'm all for buying tags provided the cost covers little more than the admin fees required, i.e. Price of a tag = cost fo employing X persons to sell tags over Y number of days...even less if provided through established private commercial retailers that have already figured labor into their op costs.

Don't know where Thor lives, but here, no licenses or fees are required to hunt or fish on one's own land, and so far as licenses for hunting and fishing elsewhere are concerned, the fees are directed (by the state Constitution) toward maintaining the hunting and fishing wildlife areas, and paying the salaries of those who do that job........these fees also pay to provide a number of very nice state-owned shooting ranges around that all are welcome to use at no charge.......I can't find much in this scenario to object to.......

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Re: Do people have a right to the basic necessities of life?
« Reply #28 on: November 12, 2009, 01:15:22 PM »
Don't know where Thor lives, but here, no licenses or fees are required to hunt or fish on one's own land, and so far as licenses for hunting and fishing elsewhere are concerned, the fees are directed (by the state Constitution) toward maintaining the hunting and fishing wildlife areas, and paying the salaries of those who do that job........these fees also pay to provide a number of very nice state-owned shooting ranges around that all are welcome to use at no charge.......I can't find much in this scenario to object to.......

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Re: Do people have a right to the basic necessities of life?
« Reply #29 on: November 12, 2009, 01:38:18 PM »
Read this and weep, DUmbasses!

I don't see "food clothes and shelter" anywhere in there, but knowing how you asshats think, they must be in the "certain unalienable Rights" quote, right?

Oh, and "Life, Liberty, and the Persuit of happiness", ARE the "necessities of life", dipshit!

The Founding Fathers seemed to take care to specify "the pursuit of happiness" rather than just "happiness", and even at that the DUmmies still can't comprehend.

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Re: Do people have a right to the basic necessities of life?
« Reply #30 on: November 12, 2009, 01:46:40 PM »
The Founding Fathers seemed to take care to specify "the pursuit of happiness" rather than just "happiness", and even at that the DUmmies still can't comprehend.

It requires action on their part is why.

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Re: Do people have a right to the basic necessities of life?
« Reply #31 on: November 12, 2009, 02:46:25 PM »
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35. If we are to be deprived of the basic necessities of life, then not only allow people to "check out"
   
but provide the painless means to do so.

Well, the dirty, smelly, homeless bum DUmmy bobbolink one time said she lived inside a car. She should panhandle a couple of bucks for some gas, then scavenge dumpsters until she finds an old garden hose, put one end in the exhaust pipe and the other end through a window. Problem solved, at no further cost to the taxpayers.

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Re: Do people have a right to the basic necessities of life?
« Reply #32 on: November 12, 2009, 06:07:16 PM »
The Founding Fathers seemed to take care to specify "the pursuit of happiness" rather than just "happiness", and even at that the DUmmies still can't comprehend.

Exactly.  You have the right to pursue happiness, but you have to catch it yourself.
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Re: Do people have a right to the basic necessities of life?
« Reply #33 on: November 12, 2009, 06:27:28 PM »
Exactly.  You have the right to pursue happiness, but you have to catch it yourself.

EEEEEK, I believe a law has been past that one now has to have a license to fish in the freigin Ocean and salt water rivers.

This in no way effects those willing to pay $50.00 to go out for 6 hours on a charter boat.It is said that if you" feed a hungry man he will allways be hungry. If you teach him to fish he is set for the rest of his life"

Not in today's world, that man who is hungry cannot afford to buy a license every year to fish in Gods Ocean.  Oh well, arrest him, take away his stick, line and hook, lock the sucker up for a few months, he will get 3 square meals, clean clothing, and a bed to sleep in.

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Re: Do people have a right to the basic necessities of life?
« Reply #34 on: November 12, 2009, 06:54:16 PM »
ALL for licenses and the DNR. Don't always agree with every decision, they f'ed me on the Snapper season this year, went from April-October to June-August, but they do serve a purpose. Without limits, you'd have 50 thousand Bubbas out there catching as much fish as they could and depleting the supply. ...and they would wind up wasting most of it. How about Deer without a limit? Most people that hunt deer, while they do eat the meat, are still out for trophies. 8 point isn't big enough? Well keep trying 'til you get that Boone and Crockett record. Go ahead, there's no limit. Now multiply that guy by about 500 thousand people.

We need to preserve our primitive food supply. If it comes down to it, and the shit hits the fan, I don't think anyone will be out there worrying about trophies anyway.
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Re: Do people have a right to the basic necessities of life?
« Reply #35 on: November 12, 2009, 09:08:12 PM »
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We need to preserve our primitive food supply. If it comes down to it, and the shit hits the fan, I don't think anyone will be out there worrying about trophies anyway.

Depends on what animal we decide to harvest the trophy from.  :-)

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Re: Do people have a right to the basic necessities of life?
« Reply #36 on: November 12, 2009, 09:23:18 PM »
Depends on what animal we decide to harvest the trophy from.  :-)

I'm all for trophies, but if you get a 12 point instead of a 16 point, I don't think you should be allowed to go out and kill as many deer as you can until you get it. Again, multiply that by about 500K bubbas. We have driven other species to damn near extinction before. Buffalo used to roam all over the Midwest. Now they're all sitting on their fat asses eating grass on Ted Turner's ranch.
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Re: Do people have a right to the basic necessities of life?
« Reply #37 on: November 12, 2009, 09:26:48 PM »
ALL for licenses and the DNR. Don't always agree with every decision, they f'ed me on the Snapper season this year, went from April-October to June-August, but they do serve a purpose. Without limits, you'd have 50 thousand Bubbas out there catching as much fish as they could and depleting the supply. ...and they would wind up wasting most of it. How about Deer without a limit? Most people that hunt deer, while they do eat the meat, are still out for trophies. 8 point isn't big enough? Well keep trying 'til you get that Boone and Crockett record. Go ahead, there's no limit. Now multiply that guy by about 500 thousand people.

We need to preserve our primitive food supply. If it comes down to it, and the shit hits the fan, I don't think anyone will be out there worrying about trophies anyway.

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Re: Do people have a right to the basic necessities of life?
« Reply #38 on: November 12, 2009, 09:30:36 PM »
It is hard to grasp the inanity of the primitives.
They actually believe that if you provided "basic" needs then everyone would happily work for better.

Okay...let me ask any lurkers to sign up and answer a question.

If a basic fulfillment of this was a daily supply of potato soup and bread served in a room with four walls,a bed and a toilet with enough clothes to wear for two days while two more were being washed would you be content that your needs were met and demand nothing more?


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Re: Do people have a right to the basic necessities of life?
« Reply #39 on: November 12, 2009, 09:45:10 PM »
I'm all for trophies, but if you get a 12 point instead of a 16 point, I don't think you should be allowed to go out and kill as many deer as you can until you get it. Again, multiply that by about 500K bubbas. We have driven other species to damn near extinction before. Buffalo used to roam all over the Midwest. Now they're all sitting on their fat asses eating grass on Ted Turner's ranch.
Sport hunters have never endangered any species.

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Re: Do people have a right to the basic necessities of life?
« Reply #40 on: November 12, 2009, 09:48:30 PM »
Sport hunters have never endangered any species.

Not saying they do, but would you be willing to gamble on that if a limit didn't exist? I'm not. I'm from Mississippi.
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Re: Do people have a right to the basic necessities of life?
« Reply #41 on: November 12, 2009, 10:35:31 PM »
I'm all for trophies, but if you get a 12 point instead of a 16 point, I don't think you should be allowed to go out and kill as many deer as you can until you get it. Again, multiply that by about 500K bubbas. We have driven other species to damn near extinction before. Buffalo used to roam all over the Midwest. Now they're all sitting on their fat asses eating grass on Ted Turner's ranch.

I only hunt for vermin control and food. Mostly vermin control.

The thought occurred to me though that in the case that the shit really did hit the fan - I see no harm in gathering a nice trophy case full of little red books and discarded bongs.

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Re: Do people have a right to the basic necessities of life?
« Reply #42 on: November 13, 2009, 12:26:40 AM »
The Founding Fathers seemed to take care to specify "the pursuit of happiness" rather than just "happiness", and even at that the DUmmies still can't comprehend.

EXACTLY! You have the right to persue! Nothing is going to be given to you. You have to number 1, want it, number 2, have the drive in order to obtain it! Something completely lost over on Skin's Island.
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Re: Do people have a right to the basic necessities of life?
« Reply #43 on: November 13, 2009, 04:02:31 AM »
Sport hunters have never endangered any species.

GOBUCKS---------where the heck is you head today, you have forgotten the millions of Buffalo that were almost wiped out by sport hunters left to lay in the thousands to rot in the sun.?


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Re: Do people have a right to the basic necessities of life?
« Reply #44 on: November 13, 2009, 04:34:14 AM »
GOBUCKS---------where the heck is you head today, you have forgotten the millions of Buffalo that were almost wiped out by sport hunters left to lay in the thousands to rot in the sun.?



There were a fair number of commercial hunters among that lot.  Sport hunters nowadays, of which I am one, don't go around blasting everything that looks remotely like a "target." 
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Re: Do people have a right to the basic necessities of life?
« Reply #45 on: November 13, 2009, 05:38:55 AM »
There were a fair number of commercial hunters among that lot.  Sport hunters nowadays, of which I am one, don't go around blasting everything that looks remotely like a "target." 

Come hunt up here, we need hunters that don't shoot our dairy cows mistaken for deer or moose.  I have seen whole herds of cows where every 4-5 have in day glow COW painted on both sides.

  BTW, as a kid I was never allowed to wear white mittens or hat during hunting season. Some hunters would see a flash of white and fire at what they thought was a dear tail .

I wonder what happend to the practice of tying the deer to the side of a truck or car to get it home, dressed and hung to bleed out.?

School was let out for the first couple of days of deer season, kids as young as 10 would go hunting with family. If no deer, then wild turkey were plentiful for the Holiday season.

Some people cheated and hid salt licks in the woods to keep the deer in that area, old timers followed the time ordered practice of Peeing on trees in the area to draw the deer to the salt in the urine.

Interesting practice, I found on line an explanation for this act.  In Finnland the Raindeer herders use urine to draw in and domesticate the deer.  it's the salt.  A whole Continent away the Eskimo stores urine to loosen their dog sleds frozen in the ice.

Boar hunting is very dangerous, a lot of darn good dogs have been taken out by those monsters.  We have wild boar way up in the woods but few people are willing to hunt them as they do in the South.   

Loosing a good hunting dog or two is not worth bagging those suckers.

I am against deer stands, if one want to tie themselves way up in a tree to shoot down on pray, so be it, but these stands have morphed into tree houses. They can accommodate 4-5 people, have coolers stocked with beer and sandwitches, folding chairs, all the comforts of home.  To me this is not hunting this is murder.






 

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Re: Do people have a right to the basic necessities of life?
« Reply #46 on: November 13, 2009, 07:42:31 AM »
GOBUCKS---------where the heck is you head today, you have forgotten the millions of Buffalo that were almost wiped out by sport hunters left to lay in the thousands to rot in the sun.?

Those weren't sport hunters. They did it for the fur trade.
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Re: Do people have a right to the basic necessities of life?
« Reply #47 on: November 13, 2009, 07:43:36 AM »
I think it is a lesson from watching too much Star Trek:TNG.  The only lesson I learned from Star Trek:TNG this axiom:  Socialism is applied boredom.  It is mathematically true.

One has to try to imitate the mind of a very selfish small child to even begin with the proposition.
Our minds at that point start to ask what is the minimum,who determines,how would it be administered and so on quickly realizing it is stupid and impossible.

The DUmmy never gets past "I want".

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Re: Do people have a right to the basic necessities of life?
« Reply #48 on: November 13, 2009, 08:02:05 AM »
One has to try to imitate the mind of a very selfish small child to even begin with the proposition.
Our minds at that point start to ask what is the minimum,who determines,how would it be administered and so on quickly realizing it is stupid and impossible.

The DUmmy never gets past "I want".

At least The Heiress, even though she isn't 25 months old yet, helps out around the house.  When either my wife or I are emptying the dishwasher, she'll come over and start pulling things out of the racks to hand to us.

Lurking DUmb****s, that means that you're worse than a two-year-old.
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Re: Do people have a right to the basic necessities of life?
« Reply #49 on: November 13, 2009, 09:32:12 AM »
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Do people have a right to the basic necessities of life?

The answer, DUmmies, is quite simple....................no.
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