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Title: I got the first COBRA bill today for my daughter.
Post by: Freeper on January 22, 2011, 07:20:44 PM
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I got the first COBRA bill today for my daughter.
   
$600.13, due Feb. 1. She turned 19 and because she's not enrolled in college, she's being dropped from my insurance. My company's plan renews on July 1, and she can go back on my benefits then. But for the next five months, we've got to cough up that money to keep her covered. Those Dems in the Senate better not let HCR get repealed.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x252811

Don't worry none, Harry Reid has your back.  :-)
Any bets that in July we see a post that she can't afford to put the daughter back on her insurance?

Title: Re: I got the first COBRA bill today for my daughter.
Post by: Evil_Conservative on January 22, 2011, 07:23:30 PM
That's about how much my bill was when my daughter was born after insurance paid their portion.  Payment plans are your friend, Bunny.  We paid $100 every month, interest free, for six months.  Paid the bill off without whining on a message board about it.
Title: Re: I got the first COBRA bill today for my daughter.
Post by: Freeper on January 22, 2011, 07:25:52 PM
That's about how much my bill was when my daughter was born after insurance paid their portion.  Payment plans are your friend, Bunny.  We paid $100 every month, interest free, for six months.  Paid the bill off without whining on a message board about it.

Then again you don't think everything should be free unless you are rich then you must pay out the nose for everything.
Title: Re: I got the first COBRA bill today for my daughter.
Post by: Texacon on January 22, 2011, 07:43:28 PM
Ya know .. the DUmmies act like it is imperative to have insurance.  I went for years when I was young without insurance.  I just paid for what little medical I needed with cash. 

Unless they have some kind of preexisting condition I just don't see young healthy folks really needing it.

KC
Title: Re: I got the first COBRA bill today for my daughter.
Post by: formerlurker on January 22, 2011, 07:44:16 PM
That's about how much my bill was when my daughter was born after insurance paid their portion.  Payment plans are your friend, Bunny.  We paid $100 every month, interest free, for six months.  Paid the bill off without whining on a message board about it.

That would be the monthly premium, and they would never take a payment plan.   She isn't in college then she needs to get a job with benefits (and pay mom and dad rent).
Title: Re: I got the first COBRA bill today for my daughter.
Post by: IassaFTots on January 22, 2011, 08:07:51 PM
That would be the monthly premium, and they would never take a payment plan.   She isn't in college then she needs to get a job with benefits (and pay mom and dad rent).

Indeed.   :cheersmate: 

And another point.  The current HCR that went into effect 1/1 covers children up to age 26 (which I think is bull shite), so.... :bouncy:
Title: Re: I got the first COBRA bill today for my daughter.
Post by: MrsSmith on January 22, 2011, 08:18:46 PM
Ya know .. the DUmmies act like it is imperative to have insurance.  I went for years when I was young without insurance.  I just paid for what little medical I needed with cash. 

Unless they have some kind of preexisting condition I just don't see young healthy folks really needing it.

KC
Exactly.  I didn't have insurance until after I had my fourth child.  And no one died...   ::) ::)
Title: Re: I got the first COBRA bill today for my daughter.
Post by: Ballygrl on January 22, 2011, 08:48:53 PM
That kind of Cobra payment and Obamacare was passed? and she wants to keep it intact? I thought payments like this were supposed to go down?
Title: Re: I got the first COBRA bill today for my daughter.
Post by: thundley4 on January 22, 2011, 09:19:50 PM
Indeed.   :cheersmate: 

And another point.  The current HCR that went into effect 1/1 covers children up to age 26 (which I think is bull shite), so.... :bouncy:

It's needed to help drive the insurance companies out of business. OTOH, Obama knows that his mishandling of the economy means more young adults moving back home.

I'm surprised that Lord Zero didn't push for elder care to be covered on their children's insurance plans.
Title: Re: I got the first COBRA bill today for my daughter.
Post by: compaqxp on January 22, 2011, 10:09:18 PM
Ya know .. the DUmmies act like it is imperative to have insurance.  I went for years when I was young without insurance.  I just paid for what little medical I needed with cash. 

Unless they have some kind of preexisting condition I just don't see young healthy folks really needing it.

KC

It better to get it while you healthy then need it when your not. Just because a person is young and healthy does not mean they will be in a month. I know it's a long shot but it'd be worth it for that reason alone.
Title: Re: I got the first COBRA bill today for my daughter.
Post by: Texacon on January 22, 2011, 10:17:30 PM
It better to get it while you healthy then need it when your not. Just because a person is young and healthy does not mean they will be in a month. I know it's a long shot but it'd be worth it for that reason alone.

Those are the chances you take.  The government has no business forcing me to purchase it nor do they have any business forcing me to purchase it for my neighbor.

It is also a perfect example of what we, as responsible humans, must do when we can't afford something.  We don't buy it.  Unfortunately the government doesn't work the same way.  When they can't afford it they simply raise taxes instead of cutting spending.

KC
Title: Re: I got the first COBRA bill today for my daughter.
Post by: Lacarnut on January 22, 2011, 10:45:02 PM
I did not get health insurance until I was in my late 30's. Paid out of pocket for the few trips to the Dr.

Since this girl is not going to school, she needs to get off her lazy ass and get a job flipping burgers if need be.
Title: Re: I got the first COBRA bill today for my daughter.
Post by: AllosaursRus on January 22, 2011, 10:53:38 PM
It better to get it while you healthy then need it when your not. Just because a person is young and healthy does not mean they will be in a month. I know it's a long shot but it'd be worth it for that reason alone.

I never saw the inside of doctors office after movin' out on my own until I was 45. Except for the few times I needed stitches and the time I got run over by a MoonBat on my scooter, I never needed no damn insurance! Even then, it was either an on the job injury or was paid for by the stooooopid bitch that ran me over! That was a long shot i was willin' to take! Saved me thousands of dollars that I used to raise my family!
Title: Re: I got the first COBRA bill today for my daughter.
Post by: miskie on January 22, 2011, 10:55:11 PM
(http://skew.dailyskew.com/uploaded_images/cobra_commander-731512.jpg)

I win again, Primitivesssssss..... mwuhhuh Huh HUH HUHAHAHAHAHARRRRR!!!!
Title: Re: I got the first COBRA bill today for my daughter.
Post by: Evil_Conservative on January 22, 2011, 11:02:37 PM
It better to get it while you healthy then need it when your not. Just because a person is young and healthy does not mean they will be in a month. I know it's a long shot but it'd be worth it for that reason alone.

Says the person who thinks they are getting "free" health care in Canada.
Title: Re: I got the first COBRA bill today for my daughter.
Post by: compaqxp on January 22, 2011, 11:09:57 PM
Says the person who thinks they are getting "free" health care in Canada.

I don't think it's "free", I just don't pay in the hospital. I have no issues paying through my tax for the health care I get.
Title: Re: I got the first COBRA bill today for my daughter.
Post by: AllosaursRus on January 22, 2011, 11:10:01 PM
Says the person who thinks they are getting "free" health care in Canada.

After hearin' about the gal that lost both her legs due to the excellent treatment they get up there, I'm not so sure ya can call it "healthcare"!
Title: Re: I got the first COBRA bill today for my daughter.
Post by: AllosaursRus on January 22, 2011, 11:15:56 PM
I don't think it's "free", I just don't pay in the hospital. I have no issues paying through my tax for the health care I get.

Congrats on the understatement of the year!!! Ya need to go watch the YouTubes I've posted!

CC Healthcare thread in Politics Forum (http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,54425.0.html)

Take special note of the one on the Kanuck system then come back and defend it.
Title: Re: I got the first COBRA bill today for my daughter.
Post by: diesel driver on January 23, 2011, 02:03:00 AM
I'm 52, and don't have insurance NOW, haven't for the last 8 years.  I go to the free clinic if I need to see a doctor, generic meds are $4/month.

I've paid more on insurance premiums in my life than I have spent on doctor/hospital care.

Don't think I haven't needed to go to a hospital now and then.  I've got the scars to prove otherwise.
Title: Re: I got the first COBRA bill today for my daughter.
Post by: formerlurker on January 23, 2011, 05:23:07 AM
I'm 52, and don't have insurance NOW, haven't for the last 8 years.  I go to the free clinic if I need to see a doctor, generic meds are $4/month.

I've paid more on insurance premiums in my life than I have spent on doctor/hospital care.

Don't think I haven't needed to go to a hospital now and then.  I've got the scars to prove otherwise.

It may be free to you, but it's not free.

http://content.healthaffairs.org/content/25/1/22.full
Title: Re: I got the first COBRA bill today for my daughter.
Post by: jtyangel on January 23, 2011, 06:23:06 AM
Umm..you can't make payment plans to pay your premium payment. They expect that amount on that date or they cancel you. Just an fyi--it's not a final bill from a hospital it is a premium that is already broken down on a monthly basis ie 600 is likely the MONTHLY premium for their COBRA.

That aside, why is it sooo imperative that a 19 year old in good health have insurance anyway? There are plenty of minute clinics that charge about 60 bucks for common ailments likely to befall a 19 year old and most prescriptions need to treat such are on the free or 4 buck list at the pharmacies. Would seem far cheaper to take one's chances and not insure her for a few months. Other than that, why is her 19 year old hiney living at home if she's not in college(which would have eliminated this discussion altogether) or working with benefits somewhere to cover--*gasp* herself or at least to provide income to cover that cobra payment if its so necessary? This isn't anybody's fault buy you and your prescious little girl. Get her butt to work and if she wants insurance so bad, she, as an adult, can help pay for it! Geez, this isn't that hard to figure out.  :thatsright:

BTW, I went from the age of 18 to about 23 without health insurance coverage...I had one 'big' incident...my wisdom teeth, which I made a payment arrangement for the anesthesia(at the time my dental woudln't cover and I didn't have medical(couldn't afford it). Paid the 500 dollar bill off in a few months.
Title: Re: I got the first COBRA bill today for my daughter.
Post by: jtyangel on January 23, 2011, 06:23:48 AM
That would be the monthly premium, and they would never take a payment plan.   She isn't in college then she needs to get a job with benefits (and pay mom and dad rent).

Should have read this first. I totally agree! :cheersmate:
Title: Re: I got the first COBRA bill today for my daughter.
Post by: jtyangel on January 23, 2011, 06:27:12 AM
It better to get it while you healthy then need it when your not. Just because a person is young and healthy does not mean they will be in a month. I know it's a long shot but it'd be worth it for that reason alone.

We all negotiate risks in life, comp. As a 19 year old, the risk is more likely we will lose that 600 bucks a month down the drain then it actually benefiting us. Now, you may have some point considering she sounds like she's both unemployed and not in school, so perhaps leads a more risky lifestyle. We can't all hedge our bets on how things *might* be. Everything is about negotiating and calculating risks or we'd never move forward in life. Most 19 year olds will do just fine without some healthcare coverage and there is a an easy solution to this if not, this young woman needs to get to work and help her mother pay that premium or maybe even get her own benefits if this is so imperative and important. I'd be more angry at my 'little girl' if I was this woman then the cobra premium. Her parents shouldn't be the only ones coughing that money up.
Title: Re: I got the first COBRA bill today for my daughter.
Post by: jtyangel on January 23, 2011, 06:28:00 AM
I never saw the inside of doctors office after movin' out on my own until I was 45. Except for the few times I needed stitches and the time I got run over by a MoonBat on my scooter, I never needed no damn insurance! Even then, it was either an on the job injury or was paid for by the stooooopid bitch that ran me over! That was a long shot i was willin' to take! Saved me thousands of dollars that I used to raise my family!

There a story in there :-)
Title: Re: I got the first COBRA bill today for my daughter.
Post by: jtyangel on January 23, 2011, 06:28:42 AM
I don't think it's "free", I just don't pay in the hospital. I have no issues paying through my tax for the health care I get.

If you have no problem paying via your taxes, what would be so hard about paying your own individual bills after the fact?  :???:
Title: Re: I got the first COBRA bill today for my daughter.
Post by: Ballygrl on January 23, 2011, 09:30:47 AM
Yeah you can say if someone is young they most likely won't need to use health insurance BUT young people can get sick too. I worked at a Hospital and some Doctor's offices and we had young adults diagnosed with things like Leukemia, Brain Tumors, Hodgkin's Disease, Strokes etc.

I look at it like this, having insurance is an individual responsibility, you have young adults riding around in really nice cars, they have top of the line electronic equipment in their homes, they have really nice cell phones, the cost of health insurance for them is probably lower then their cell phone payment, and if they do get sick? as usual it's those of us with insurance who end up paying higher rates to pay for their bills.
Title: Re: I got the first COBRA bill today for my daughter.
Post by: jukin on January 23, 2011, 09:48:45 AM
If it $600+/month than that is some CADILLAC INSURANCE for someone 19 or the young lady has used the health care services of our nation quite a bit. I can see a six month premium for a 19 year old for six months at $600+. I have never had a COBRA situation but my understanding is it is the same coverage as what you had before being laid off. The difference being there is no employer contribution. You are still in the same group coverage as before.  My guess is the OP DUchebag is on the government teat and that is why it could be so high but most likely this is a total bouncy as one of the few provisions that came into effect was the 26 year old child rule.
Title: Re: I got the first COBRA bill today for my daughter.
Post by: Shandalear on January 23, 2011, 09:53:24 AM
How can the kid be on COBRA if the parent is working and covered under a benefit plan. Something doesn't make sense about that DUmmies story.
Title: Re: I got the first COBRA bill today for my daughter.
Post by: Celtic Rose on January 23, 2011, 09:55:36 AM
Indeed.   :cheersmate: 

And another point.  The current HCR that went into effect 1/1 covers children up to age 26 (which I think is bull shite), so.... :bouncy:

Yep, and I found out that you can actually be included on your parents insurance for the whole year.  I've had my own insurance for almost 4 years now, but I could actually drop my insurance and switch to my parents for this entire year, even though I turn 26 in April.
Title: Re: I got the first COBRA bill today for my daughter.
Post by: Ballygrl on January 23, 2011, 09:56:59 AM
How can the kid be on COBRA if the parent is working and covered under a benefit plan. Something doesn't make sense about that DUmmies story.

OK, this story totally doesn't make sense then, unless because the kid isn't working or going to school so she isn't eligible for benefits but is eligible for Cobra, which begs another question, you're going to have a lot of kids sitting on their butts not going to school or working until they're 26 and still able to be covered under their parents insurance thus enabling them to be dependent.
Title: Re: I got the first COBRA bill today for my daughter.
Post by: Ballygrl on January 23, 2011, 09:58:04 AM
Just saw Issa's post, so I'm going to say this Cobra thread at DU is a :bouncy:
Title: Re: I got the first COBRA bill today for my daughter.
Post by: IassaFTots on January 23, 2011, 09:58:29 AM
How can the kid be on COBRA if the parent is working and covered under a benefit plan. Something doesn't make sense about that DUmmies story.

Well, LAST year, depending on the state, and the companies choice of insurance plan, fully insured vs. self insured, a child would be dropped at whatever the age limit is, and then be offered COBRA, for 36 months.  But, after HCR, effective 1/1 all children are covered up to age 26, regardless of their own employment and marital status.  Which means, they can work and be married, but Mom and Dad can still pick up their insurance tab. 

ETA:  Yup, just like CR said it. 
Title: Re: I got the first COBRA bill today for my daughter.
Post by: DumbAss Tanker on January 23, 2011, 10:33:31 AM
Yeah, the only way this thing makes sense if the DUmmie doesn't understand it was effective January 1st, without it being necessary to wait for the policy renewal to come around.  Sounds like the insurer just made six bills the easy way!

 :rotf: 
Title: Re: I got the first COBRA bill today for my daughter.
Post by: MrsSmith on January 23, 2011, 10:37:32 AM
If it $600+/month than that is some CADILLAC INSURANCE for someone 19 or the young lady has used the health care services of our nation quite a bit. I can see a six month premium for a 19 year old for six months at $600+. I have never had a COBRA situation but my understanding is it is the same coverage as what you had before being laid off. The difference being there is no employer contribution. You are still in the same group coverage as before.  My guess is the OP DUchebag is on the government teat and that is why it could be so high but most likely this is a total bouncy as one of the few provisions that came into effect was the 26 year old child rule.
Actually, COBRA really is that expensive.  When I switched jobs a few years back, there was a 90 day wait to get insurance.  I didn't really worry about it because my understanding of COBRA is that you have 6 months to opt in...so if something catastrophic happened and it was needed, I'd have opted in.  But I was quoted close to $700 a month for it, and that was nearly 10 years ago.  And that was no cadillac healthcare plan.  I had $1000 deductible, no prescription coverage, no co-pays at doctor's offices...pretty basic coverage.

Mr Smith's college was looking for insurance coverage about 6 years ago - at that time he and his kids were all on my family plan (thank God for insurance companies that cover step-kids, many don't!).  The insurance they were looking at, I think it was BCBS, offered a family plan exactly like I stated above,  $1000 deductible per person, no prescription, no copay....and the total monthly cost for family coverage was $1200 a month.  :o :o :o  Mr Smith's college would cover about 1/2 of that, we'd have had to pay the other half.  

My employer self-insures, and is part of a PPO.  Sometimes it sucks, they don't cover anything they can find a way to avoid...but it only costs me $150 a month.  I would seriously keep my job just for that!!
Title: Re: I got the first COBRA bill today for my daughter.
Post by: Evil_Conservative on January 23, 2011, 10:50:41 AM
Excuse me for not knowing how COBRA worked.  ::)

The woman made it sound like it was a BILL that they received in the mail for care received in a hospital. 
Title: Re: I got the first COBRA bill today for my daughter.
Post by: formerlurker on January 23, 2011, 12:48:49 PM
If it $600+/month than that is some CADILLAC INSURANCE for someone 19 or the young lady has used the health care services of our nation quite a bit. I can see a six month premium for a 19 year old for six months at $600+. I have never had a COBRA situation but my understanding is it is the same coverage as what you had before being laid off. The difference being there is no employer contribution. You are still in the same group coverage as before.  My guess is the OP DUchebag is on the government teat and that is why it could be so high but most likely this is a total bouncy as one of the few provisions that came into effect was the 26 year old child rule.

Actually $600 is cheap.   It is far more expensive than that.
Title: Re: I got the first COBRA bill today for my daughter.
Post by: GOBUCKS on January 23, 2011, 12:54:08 PM
Actually $600 is cheap.   It is far more expensive than that.
You got that right. I know a single girl who just got out of grad school, not yet covered by an employer's group plan, who pays $1300/month. COBRA premiums are much lower because you're getting the advantage of the group rate.
Title: Re: I got the first COBRA bill today for my daughter.
Post by: Boudicca on January 23, 2011, 01:12:35 PM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x252811

Don't worry none, Harry Reid has your back.  :-)
Any bets that in July we see a post that she can't afford to put the daughter back on her insurance?



Don't worry none, Harry Reid has a knife in your back.  :-)

I thought your sentence needed a bit of explication. :hyper:
Title: Re: I got the first COBRA bill today for my daughter.
Post by: Boudicca on January 23, 2011, 01:17:12 PM
Why in the heck didn't this DUmmie go shopping on the free market, or what's left of it, and find a much cheaper insurance policy?  When our daughter turned 19 she wasn't going to college and wasn't covered on hubby's then active duty Tricare health insurance so we got her a $68 a month fairly comprehensive, fairly low co-pay, policy which she had until she turned 23 and became a federal employee with government insurance.  Granted the monthly charge went from $68 to $120 in those 4 years, but still, who would use COBRA if they could get covered cheaper elsewhere?  I must be missing something here. :???:
Title: Re: I got the first COBRA bill today for my daughter.
Post by: GOBUCKS on January 23, 2011, 02:03:29 PM
A DUmmy has no need for COBRA insurance if he just stays away from snakes.
Title: Re: I got the first COBRA bill today for my daughter.
Post by: DumbAss Tanker on January 23, 2011, 02:25:19 PM
A DUmmy has no need for COBRA insurance if he just stays away from snakes.

Well, they're sure as Hell never gonna need insurance on a Viper.
Title: Re: I got the first COBRA bill today for my daughter.
Post by: terry on January 23, 2011, 02:45:28 PM
Why in the heck didn't this DUmmie go shopping on the free market, or what's left of it, and find a much cheaper insurance policy?  When our daughter turned 19 she wasn't going to college and wasn't covered on hubby's then active duty Tricare health insurance so we got her a $68 a month fairly comprehensive, fairly low co-pay, policy which she had until she turned 23 and became a federal employee with government insurance.  Granted the monthly charge went from $68 to $120 in those 4 years, but still, who would use COBRA if they could get covered cheaper elsewhere?  I must be missing something here. :???:

Exactly.  Someone even suggested that.
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4. If she is healthy an individual private policy should be much less.
   
We had our 21 yo daughter insured through Humana for around 200.00/mo for a couple of years.
Thanks to HCR she is now on my work policy.


The op mentions Western Pa and when I did research for individual policies, a healthy young person could get a policy for less than $100 a month.
This was just last year.

Her response is to complain about co-pays and deductibles

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14. We looked at plans like that, but the deductibles and co-pays were
   
Edited on Sun Jan-23-11 09:02 AM by Bunny
insanely high. Like, thousands of dollars high, whereas my company COBRA has no deductibles, $15 co-pays, prescriptions for $10 and $20, and pretty much every doctor and facility in Western PA is in the network. So, we decided to go with the COBRA. But we can only afford the $600/month for a limited time, not indefinitely, and she needs to be able to go back on my plan in July.

Which is why the Dems better stand up to the Republicans and not let them repeal HCR.

and logic..

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Statistical  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sun Jan-23-11 12:13 PM
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28. Another way to look at it is.
   
The private insurance would just be for catastrophic event.

Say you could get private insurance for $200 per month. You are saving $400 per month. Over 6 months that is $2400. If she just needs a doctor's visit, or some meds she can just pay out of the deductible (w/ $2400 you saved). If something catastrophic happens she still has the coverage.

is ignored.

She talking about 6 months of insurance from now to July 1.  How much is a healthy college kid likely to use in deductibles and copays between now and July 1?

If it was me I would get the kid an individual policy, with a high deductible, open an HSA put the out of pocket max in the HSA.  Then I would keep her on that and get her to pay for it herself as soon as she is able.  Try to move her toward independence.
Title: Re: I got the first COBRA bill today for my daughter.
Post by: AllosaursRus on January 23, 2011, 02:57:12 PM
So the whole ****in' thing is nothin' more than a plug to whine about the Repubs tryin' like hell to give the people what they want. 60% of us didn't want this POS in the first place! DemoncRats shoved it down our throats anyway. The OP is just runnin' cover!

It's a bouncy, and a real bad one at that! He/She/It should owe us bongs on this one, but I don't know what we would do with 'em!
Title: Re: I got the first COBRA bill today for my daughter.
Post by: BlueStateSaint on January 23, 2011, 03:07:53 PM
It's a bouncy, and a real bad one at that! He/She/It should owe us bongs on this one, but I don't know what we would do with 'em!

AR, I'm ashamed at you. 

Bait for bail jumpers, man! :thatsright: ::) :tongue:
Title: Re: I got the first COBRA bill today for my daughter.
Post by: AllosaursRus on January 23, 2011, 03:21:21 PM
AR, I'm ashamed at you.  

Bait for bail jumpers, man! :thatsright: ::) :tongue:

Heh! Yeah, but do to needin' a coupla more screws in my back, I don't do anything anymore but an occasional skip trace. Even then, if I can't make a grand, I turn 'em down.

The last couple were for Gangstas over in Seattle, and I'm not physically in the best shape in order to be trouncin' around in "the Hood", if ya catch my drift. The Meth Heads have been pretty lucrative locally though, so I take them on 'cause most of 'em don't weigh more than a dollar and a half soakin' wet, but gettin' old is a bitch!

Bondin' these jerks outa jail was gettin' to be a pain in the ass, since sleepin' is a commodity nowadays and gettin' woke up to get a drunk outa jail at 3 A.M. for 35 bucks, just wasn't workin' out!
Title: Re: I got the first COBRA bill today for my daughter.
Post by: jtyangel on January 23, 2011, 06:33:28 PM
If it $600+/month than that is some CADILLAC INSURANCE for someone 19 or the young lady has used the health care services of our nation quite a bit. I can see a six month premium for a 19 year old for six months at $600+. I have never had a COBRA situation but my understanding is it is the same coverage as what you had before being laid off. The difference being there is no employer contribution. You are still in the same group coverage as before.  My guess is the OP DUchebag is on the government teat and that is why it could be so high but most likely this is a total bouncy as one of the few provisions that came into effect was the 26 year old child rule.
Not necessarily...on the federal plans I've seen(and they can be searched on line) minus their 70% contribution(depending on the plan) can range from 300 a month to 1000 a month. 600 falls about in the middle. Her parents possibly had the best insurance plan offered by their employer. Someone in their middle ages with a grown child would be expected to have the kind of income to support the best insurance plan at their employer. I also just got the bill for cobra from my previous employer--small business--and it was around 600 too(smaller pool of people so probably higher premium). Lots' of things to consider into figuring what went into that figure.

But you bring up a good point. My 60 year old mother was self-insured for a few years and paid about 400 a month. At 19, her parents could probably find her a better plan on their own for 1/2 that price.
Title: Re: I got the first COBRA bill today for my daughter.
Post by: jtyangel on January 23, 2011, 06:36:01 PM
Well, LAST year, depending on the state, and the companies choice of insurance plan, fully insured vs. self insured, a child would be dropped at whatever the age limit is, and then be offered COBRA, for 36 months.  But, after HCR, effective 1/1 all children are covered up to age 26, regardless of their own employment and marital status.  Which means, they can work and be married, but Mom and Dad can still pick up their insurance tab. 

ETA:  Yup, just like CR said it. 

Seriously? So married ADULTS--big and grown up enough to say vows to one another and place themselves in a position to pro-create and do all those other things adult married couples do can still be covered by mommy and daddy's insurance :thatsright:? Wow, I'm really...speechless...wow. :thatsright:
Title: Re: I got the first COBRA bill today for my daughter.
Post by: Chris_ on January 23, 2011, 06:39:42 PM
Sadly, it's not new.  It's the same trick Clinton used to count the number of uninsured "children" under Hillarycare.
Title: Re: I got the first COBRA bill today for my daughter.
Post by: jtyangel on January 23, 2011, 06:44:39 PM
 ::) :thatsright: :whatever:


Now, that aside...



Yeah, judging by how the very logical suggestions got ignored, I'm guessing this probably isn't real after all either. What the other poster suggested there makes sense--get catastrophic coverage and open an HSA with the rest and just pay anything else out of pocket. As I said before, minute clinic and other things like it cover routine type of things for about 60 bucks. I've went there twice for strep throat and found it far more convenient then my own doctor for routine matters of illness and if you aren't insured, they beat the doc's rate by about 30-50 bucks. If it's true, those dipshits over there have no sense of the idea of prioritizing and compromising...everything has to be right now and just how they want it.  :whatever: Let her spend 600 bucks a month..the DUmmie.
Title: Re: I got the first COBRA bill today for my daughter.
Post by: IassaFTots on January 23, 2011, 08:40:57 PM
Seriously? So married ADULTS--big and grown up enough to say vows to one another and place themselves in a position to pro-create and do all those other things adult married couples do can still be covered by mommy and daddy's insurance :thatsright:? Wow, I'm really...speechless...wow. :thatsright:

Yes, but we don't have to cover the kids.  Of the kids.   :whatever:
Title: Re: I got the first COBRA bill today for my daughter.
Post by: AllosaursRus on January 23, 2011, 09:27:32 PM
Not necessarily...on the federal plans I've seen(and they can be searched on line) minus their 70% contribution(depending on the plan) can range from 300 a month to 1000 a month. 600 falls about in the middle. Her parents possibly had the best insurance plan offered by their employer. Someone in their middle ages with a grown child would be expected to have the kind of income to support the best insurance plan at their employer. I also just got the bill for cobra from my previous employer--small business--and it was around 600 too(smaller pool of people so probably higher premium). Lots' of things to consider into figuring what went into that figure.

But you bring up a good point. My 60 year old mother was self-insured for a few years and paid about 400 a month. At 19, her parents could probably find her a better plan on their own for 1/2 that price.

I was in the Home Depot pool and mine was still $500!!!!! Ya'd think I could a gotta better deal than that! HD has thousands, if not tens of thousands of employees! Not a chance I could afford that on unemployment!

Don't know if it is true, but I was told before ObwanaCare it was only $283!
Title: Re: I got the first COBRA bill today for my daughter.
Post by: GOBUCKS on January 23, 2011, 09:47:14 PM
Seriously? So married ADULTS--big and grown up enough to say vows to one another and place themselves in a position to pro-create and do all those other things adult married couples do can still be covered by mommy and daddy's insurance :thatsright:? Wow, I'm really...speechless...wow. :thatsright:
And the best thing is, our premiums will go up to help pay for theirs!
Thanks to the Kenyan and his flunkies, it takes a village to raise a child to middle age.
Title: Re: I got the first COBRA bill today for my daughter.
Post by: true_blood on January 24, 2011, 11:45:49 AM
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I got the first COBRA bill today for my daughter. $600.13, due Feb. 1. She turned 19 and because she's not enrolled in college, she's being dropped from my insurance. My company's plan renews on July 1, and she can go back on my benefits then. But for the next five months, we've got to cough up that money to keep her covered. Those Dems in the Senate better not let HCR get repealed.
Don't worry none, Harry Reid has your back.  :-)
Any bets that in July we see a post that she can't afford to put the daughter back on her insurance?
HA! :lmao: That's epic.
Welcome to wonderful world of HELLCARE DUmmie. Didn't you get the memo? Gotta pay for those 30 million uninsured to have health care. You know, just "redistribute the wealth" a little bit?
And you think with the new HELLCARE law your costs are going to go,....down?! :lmao: :lmao: :rotf:
Title: Re: I got the first COBRA bill today for my daughter.
Post by: jtyangel on January 24, 2011, 03:02:22 PM
I was in the Home Depot pool and mine was still $500!!!!! Ya'd think I could a gotta better deal than that! HD has thousands, if not tens of thousands of employees! Not a chance I could afford that on unemployment!

Don't know if it is true, but I was told before ObwanaCare it was only $283!

I'd believe it, Allo. The #s I quoted my mother had were before that was passed. God only knows the premiums now.
Title: Re: I got the first COBRA bill today for my daughter.
Post by: jtyangel on January 24, 2011, 03:04:14 PM
And the best thing is, our premiums will go up to help pay for theirs!
Thanks to the Kenyan and his flunkies, it takes a village to raise a child to middle age.

Really, the whole concept of covering married adults floors me.  :thatsright:
Title: Re: I got the first COBRA bill today for my daughter.
Post by: IassaFTots on January 24, 2011, 04:27:48 PM
Really, the whole concept of covering married adults floors me.  :thatsright:

It does me too.  Trust me.