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Offline thundley4

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Higher gas taxes?
« on: November 23, 2012, 04:02:06 PM »
Just watching Cavuto's show on Fox News with Brenda Butner sitting in for Neil.  They were talking about raising the gas tax as part of the new round of negotiations.

Did a little search and nadined it.

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GM CEO calls for $1 gas tax hike


NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- General Motors CEO Dan Akerson said his company and his industry would be helped, not hurt, if consumers paid higher gas taxes.
In an interview published in Tuesday's Detroit News, Akerson floated the idea of a $1 a gallon increase in the gas tax as a way to encourage buyers to purchase smaller, more fuel efficient cars. Greg Martin, spokesman for GM's Washington office, confirmed that the quotes reflect Akerson's and GM's view.
Akerson said he would support a jump in the gas tax if it came instead of tighter fuel economy regulations that GM (GM, Fortune 500) and other automakers will have to meet in coming years. By the year 2025, automakers could be forced to hit fuel economy averages of as much as 62 mpg.
Akerson said that a higher gas tax, including an immediate 50-cent-a-gallon increase to take advantage of recent declines in gas prices, would probably make some of his Republican friends "puke." But he said it would do more to help the environment than the pending fuel economy rules.
http://money.cnn.com/2011/06/07/news/companies/gm_gas_tax_hike/index.htm

I imagine that a GM CEO also thinks a higher tax would mean more sales of their failed VOLT.

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Re: Higher gas taxes?
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2012, 04:19:54 PM »
How about a "fart tax" on union members and foodstamp users?
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Re: Higher gas taxes?
« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2012, 04:28:01 PM »
They don't call it Government Motors for nothing.

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Re: Higher gas taxes?
« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2012, 11:12:18 PM »
Another wonderful idea. If we can't afford an extra dollar for gallon how in the hell can we afford to go out and buy a new Chevy Volt?

I may not lock my doors while sitting at a red light and a black man is near, but I sure as hell grab on tight to my wallet when any democrats are close by.

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Re: Higher gas taxes?
« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2012, 11:37:09 PM »
Why would anyone in their right mind go out and buy a butt ugly electric Volt. At least the $50k Tesla car is half ass good looking.

Don't think a dollar a gal gas tax will ever pass. You never know though with bonehead Boehner. He was sitting next to Obamaturd grinning like a ***** cat. Thought the SOB was going to kiss Obama.  :argh:

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Re: Higher gas taxes?
« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2012, 12:13:34 AM »
Just watching Cavuto's show on Fox News with Brenda Butner sitting in for Neil.  They were talking about raising the gas tax as part of the new round of negotiations.

Did a little search and nadined it.
 http://money.cnn.com/2011/06/07/news/companies/gm_gas_tax_hike/index.htm

I imagine that a GM CEO also thinks a higher tax would mean more sales of their failed VOLT.

the funny part is that in that article CNN even called him out

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Higher pump prices can also slow the economy as a whole. Earlier this year Akerson told CNNMoney that if gas hit $4.50 a gallon, "you would probably see people stop visiting our showrooms."

So they guy wants to bankrupt his own company, destroy any chance of  personal transportation for the lower and middle class, stall the economy just to "save the environment". I wonder where he learned that type of economics, oh wait Europe :thatsright:

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Re: Higher gas taxes?
« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2012, 04:56:14 AM »
the funny part is that in that article CNN even called him out

So they guy wants to bankrupt his own company, destroy any chance of  personal transportation for the lower and middle class, stall the economy just to "save the environment". I wonder where he learned that type of economics, oh wait Europe :thatsright:



You can't go bankrupt when you have a union and Obama backing you..... :bird:GM
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Re: Higher gas taxes?
« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2012, 11:42:32 AM »
You can't go bankrupt when you have a union and Obama backing you..... :bird:GM

Yep when you have 0bama's stash to fall back on you can do any nutty thing you want and not suffer the consequences.
If GM were to fold that would destroy 0bama's image and he would never let that happen. He will happily prop them up as long as he is in office.
GM going down would be as bad as 0sama popping up and saying, "You missed".



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Re: Higher gas taxes?
« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2012, 11:43:51 AM »
Gas could be $7/gallon and I'm still not purchasing an electric car.  That thing wouldn't hold enough charge to get me to and from work in a single day.
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Re: Higher gas taxes?
« Reply #9 on: November 24, 2012, 12:13:07 PM »
You can't go bankrupt when you have a union and Obama backing you..... :bird:GM

There wont even be enough democrats that will vote for another bailout
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Re: Higher gas taxes?
« Reply #10 on: November 24, 2012, 01:15:39 PM »
Another wonderful idea. If we can't afford an extra dollar for gallon how in the hell can we afford to go out and buy a new Chevy Volt?



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Re: Higher gas taxes?
« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2012, 03:01:43 PM »
M/zeit is going to hit the lotto tonight for 325 Mil.   And if I can find someone to help me get all the money from my chain letter out of the bank in Ghana I will be sitting pretty. :yahoo:
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Re: Higher gas taxes?
« Reply #12 on: November 24, 2012, 03:28:59 PM »
I am a lead pipe cinch to win the lotto.  :lmao: You might have better luck with the chain letter though. :-)  

Don't be so sure, I found two pennies (one Canadian) heads up while walking the beagle which I gave m/zeit to use when she bought her ticket and the wishbone broke in her favor too.  Just say'n :whistling:

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Re: Higher gas taxes?
« Reply #13 on: November 24, 2012, 03:52:41 PM »
Gas could be $7/gallon and I'm still not purchasing an electric car.  That thing wouldn't hold enough charge to get me to and from work in a single day.

Fixed it for my case.  42 miles door to parking lot.

And I'm just curious how much it costs to charge a Volt.  If I did it 30 times in a month, how much would my electric bill increase, I wonder?  Considering I'd have to do it in excess of 60-70 times a month with the mileage I drive, how much then?
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Re: Higher gas taxes?
« Reply #14 on: November 24, 2012, 04:29:07 PM »
Fixed it for my case.  42 miles door to parking lot.

And I'm just curious how much it costs to charge a Volt.  If I did it 30 times in a month, how much would my electric bill increase, I wonder?  Considering I'd have to do it in excess of 60-70 times a month with the mileage I drive, how much then?

How many times can you recharge one of those batteries, any idea?  Not only the cost of electricity to charge it but the cost of battery disposal and replacement.  I could probably use a golf cart if they would let me to go to the grocery.  Oh wait here's the ticket:

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Re: Higher gas taxes?
« Reply #15 on: November 24, 2012, 05:37:04 PM »
How many times can you recharge one of those batteries, any idea?  Not only the cost of electricity to charge it but the cost of battery disposal and replacement.  I could probably use a golf cart if they would let me to go to the grocery.  Oh wait here's the ticket:



I did a little nadining, and found out the 2013 Volt battery has a 16.5 KWh capacity.  CNET claims it can be charged from a 240-volt source in 4.5 hours, or a 120-volt source in about 10.5 hours (oh, joy.)

They also state the range has been increased from 35 to 38 miles.  Oh, joy.

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13746_7-57449166-48/higher-gas-mileage-electric-range-for-2013-chevy-volt/

As far as how long the battery will actually last, the only consistent answer I could find was: it depends.  The biggest issue so far seems to be location, and the hotter the average temperature, the bigger the hit on battery life, often cutting it in half.

The Chevy Volt battery currently has an 8-year/100K mile warranty, so let's say for sake of argument it'll last 120K on average.  No actual replacement cost has been announced, but estimates in the $8-10K range aren't exactly out of line.

So, to summarize:

Assuming average electrical cost of 12 cents per KwH (closer to 16-17 in NH) for 40 KwH of usage (I'm using my driving, not the "average") we'll come up with about $5/day in electricity.  Not bad, until you consider driving 80-90 miles in a vehicle getting 40 mpg would consume roughly $7/day in gas, and that $8-10K now means you're going to have to go at least (AT LEAST) 15 years between battery changeouts to break even--a virtual impossibility.

So yeah--the Volt, Leaf, et al, are cars made for people who love smelling their own farts.

ETA: Also consider that battery life is also going to go way down if one "deep cycles" the battery rather than partially discharging before recharging, so there's that too.  Enjoy.
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Re: Higher gas taxes?
« Reply #16 on: November 24, 2012, 06:11:33 PM »
How many times can you recharge one of those batteries, any idea?  Not only the cost of electricity to charge it but the cost of battery disposal and replacement.  I could probably use a golf cart if they would let me to go to the grocery.  Oh wait here's the ticket:



One of our neighbor's has a lifted pink golf cart.  They have in-law's that live three blocks away (feel sorry for them...) and they drive that to their house instead of taking their car.  Pretty cool.  But yeah, I'd totally drive a pimped out golf cart to work before a Volt.
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Re: Higher gas taxes?
« Reply #17 on: November 24, 2012, 06:51:34 PM »
So, to summarize:

Assuming average electrical cost of 12 cents per KwH (closer to 16-17 in NH) for 40 KwH of usage (I'm using my driving, not the "average") we'll come up with about $5/day in electricity.  Not bad, until you consider driving 80-90 miles in a vehicle getting 40 mpg would consume roughly $7/day in gas, and that $8-10K now means you're going to have to go at least (AT LEAST) 15 years between battery changeouts to break even--a virtual impossibility.

So yeah--the Volt, Leaf, et al, are cars made for people who love smelling their own farts.

ETA: Also consider that battery life is also going to go way down if one "deep cycles" the battery rather than partially discharging before recharging, so there's that too.  Enjoy.

You cant break even because the sticker price on the volt is $20K more than the 40 mpg car.
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Re: Higher gas taxes?
« Reply #18 on: November 24, 2012, 07:05:08 PM »
You cant break even because the sticker price on the volt is $20K more than the 40 mpg car.

Our ten year old , paid off Saturn still gets 30+mpg on the highway.  It would take decades for me to start breaking even. The car has less than 51K miles on it.

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Re: Higher gas taxes?
« Reply #19 on: November 25, 2012, 06:40:37 AM »
The Volt is simply a flawed experiment that, thanks to Barry and his sycophants, has become a taxpayer-supported massive fail.

And yet there are some people who actually believe the hype.

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Re: Higher gas taxes?
« Reply #20 on: November 26, 2012, 01:48:54 PM »
Something happened Thanksgiving Day through Black Friday into the weekend not many people noticed because they were too busy shopping.  Gas went up 6 cents.

Thursday at the Exxon station near my house the sign read $3.09.  Last night it read $3.15.   :o

I seriously don't think Americans can take a $1.00 hike in gas prices. It would be cruel.


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« Reply #21 on: November 26, 2012, 01:55:41 PM »
Something happened Thanksgiving Day through Black Friday into the weekend not many people noticed because they were too busy shopping.  Gas went up 6 cents.

Thursday at the Exxon station near my house the sign read $3.09.  Last night it read $3.15.   :o

I seriously don't think Americans can take a $1.00 hike in gas prices. It would be cruel.

Where do you live?  It's 3.99 up the street from me.

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Re: Higher gas taxes?
« Reply #22 on: November 26, 2012, 02:45:57 PM »
Our gas has been sitting at $3.56 for regular about a week now.
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« Reply #23 on: November 26, 2012, 02:49:26 PM »
I think regular gas is about $3.17 this week.  I'm not sure because I've been filling up about twice a month and haven't looked at prices.
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Re: Higher gas taxes?
« Reply #24 on: November 26, 2012, 02:57:05 PM »
I filled up for $2.99 on thanksgiving
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