primitive unable to recognize what a child is

[USA4ME]

KittyWampus

A Fetus Is Not A Child

An expectant mother and her family and friends may think of it as a child. Her doctor may think of it as a future child. But to society and within the eyes of the law- an undelivered fetus is a fetus.

Until a few years ago, I would have supported someone on DU calling a fetus a child under certain circumstance, but things have changed since then:

Gynecologists who perform abortions have been shot
A teen's apparent miscarriage in school caused a police swarm
Many more women’s health clinics have been shut down in republican controlled states
Women who want abortions in some states must put up with a medically unnecessary vaginal probe/ultrasound
Women who may want an abortion are lied to about possible after effects in an effort to scare them

The anti-choice and anti-woman agenda has far outpaced women’s rights advocates ability to fight back. Unable to overturn Roe v Wade, the far right has found other invasive, deleterious tactics nation wide and been successful in their strongholds. And they aren’t stopping. They are well funded and well organized.

One of the far rights primary tactics is to label a fetus a child. They also do everything they can to control what pregnant women can or cannot do.

So if someone on DU calls an abstract fetus a child, a fetus that isn't in their own or family member's womb… I do not think it's an over reaction to object and request that terminology not be used.

This post may not be well written, but hopefully DU'ers will understand my intent. Not to scold or flame but reach out and explain the situation for women's reproductive freedom is eroding and under CONSTANT assault. We are rapidly going backwards, not forwards. I am recently past child bearing age but worry about my friends' daughters and all women. I know what it's like to miss a period and also to face an unwanted pregnancy.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025539392

Well, if it's not a child then you're not pregnant.

The lengths and twists and turns these heathens have to go to hold on to their ideology. 

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[dane]

Well, if it's not a child then you're not pregnant.

The lengths and twists and turns these heathens have to go to hold on to their ideology. 

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I've always called a fetus a 'baby', but never a fetus.  But I'm old.

[JohnnyReb]

It has to be called a fetus, not a child, because if it were a "child", then to abort it could be considered child abuse.....and we know how much DUmmies hate child abuse.

[Carl]

Believing that the ability to crush open the skull and suck the brains out of an unborn child is what defines the existence and being of a woman is evil beyond description.

[DumbAss Tanker]

I can see why they're a bit confused, their Mocha God is treating 50-year-old Mexican ag workers as 'Abused children' based solely on their own claim to be 'Abused teen-agers.'  Of course the unborn are unable to lie their way into the world the way Central Americans can lie their way into the country, so I guess there's that difference.

[thundley4]

But to society and within the eyes of the law- an undelivered fetus is a fetus.

If that is true, then no one should be charged with a double murder for killing a pregnant woman, nor should abuse that results in a miscarriage be anything more than assault.

[franksolich]

I don't think the KittyWampus primitive is one of those wimmen who ever have to worry about getting pregnant.

[obumazombie]

I don't think the KittyWampus primitive is one of those wimmen who ever have to worry about getting pregnant.

Maybe she can adopt a "fetus".
This also illustrates the reactionary nature of the lib. Cheapening and coarsening the culture is part of the no holds barred strategy of the libs. They will redefine, corrupt and pollute the language in efforts to further their agenda or to defend it.

[SVPete]

Ho-o-o-okayyyy ... were one able to look at the cells, chromosomes, and DNA of a "fetus", one would see:

* The chromosomes and DNA are of a human, not any other animal or a plant;

* The DNA is not that of the mother, but of a unique human individual;

* The cells are alive;

* The cells are organizing, developing, and maturing into a complete human body, not an amorphous blob, or a part of an organ or limb;

* Barring violence, accident or early disease, a fertilized and implanted egg will organize, develop, and mature into an adult human;

* "Fetus" is a term for a developmental stage in the continuous process from fertilized and implanted egg through an adult dying of the infirmities and diseases of old age; a "fetus" by its nature is not a static, fully formed creature.

Thus, a human fetus is fully human from fertilization and implantation: the difference between a fetus and a newborn infant or an adolescent or an adult is one of maturity, not kind; there is no stage at which a fetus magically becomes a person, but a fetus is a stage in the maturation of the person.

Notice how many times I invoked Christianity or some other religion?

This DU member and DU folk like her do not lack the intellect to understand this, just the will. Their, "I want!" has overridden their, "I know."

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

uppityperson (86,618 posts)

28. Legal rights exist after birth.

Unless the law says otherwise...or not at all.

onecaliberal (645 posts)

36. When they can live outside the womb on their own.

Abort those on welfare.

It's my right as a taxpayer to choose.

Nye Bevan (16,947 posts)

7. I think at the point where it is reasonably expected to survive independently, outside of the womb,

it is reasonable to think of it as a living child or baby. But not when it is merely a clump of cells.

Major Nikon (14,917 posts)

148. Here's what I'm talking about

The so-called "viability" standard is nothing more than an idea cooked up by law clerks in the chambers of the USSC. It's no more morally or ethically defensible than tossing a dart at a gestation calendar. Some fetus will be completely healthy to full term only to die in childbirth meaning they were never actually viable. Some can be removed from their mothers at 22 weeks and live. So all that is really happening is that the state gets to arbitrarily pick a point at which the rights of a mass of cells trumps the rights of a person to make medical choices over their own body. The actual point of "viability" is when a life actually becomes viable, which is generally around the time it's actually rather than abstractly removed from its mother.

Nye Bevan (16,947 posts)

76. Of course an 8 month old fetus is a baby.
 
You can be pro-choice and still believe that.

KittyWampus (47,113 posts)

81. Fighting for Women's Reproductive Rights necessitates not calling a fetus a baby.

My OP explains, perhaps not clearly, that calling a FETUS a baby is a primary rightwing tactic.

Using their rhetoric helps them. It's to their advantage and to the disadvantage of women's reproductive rights.

^^^ This is exactly how my mole would do it. Demonstrate Proglodyte perfidy by arguing to the left of the cause du jour.

Nye Bevan (16,947 posts)

82. People saying stupid things like denying that an 8-month old fetus is a baby
 
just looks ridiculous and does not help advance whatever argument they are attempting to make.

KittyWampus (47,113 posts)

86. My position isn't stupid. I don't appreciate your calling it stupid. It's a necessity in the face

of escalating rightwing attacks on women's reproductive rights.

ncjustice80 (118 posts)

88. Wrong. It is a fetus. A 10 month old fetus is still a fetus.

If its in the wound, tahn it is a fetus and is nithing more than another organ in the womans body.

And on it goes.

[obumazombie]

I sure am glad I was never "in the wound"

If its in the wound

Sounds like sound.

[VelvetElvis]

This post may not be well written, but hopefully DU'ers will understand my intent.

The post is written well enough, DUmmy. What it ISN'T is well thought out.

If you could show me just one example in human history where a human fetus was ultimately delivered as something other than a human being, say, a cow or a chicken, then you might have a point. Absent that, you are at best delusional, but far more likely, just a ghoul to whom infanticide is a sacrament.

[catsmtrods]

This is an argument I cannot be involved in because if I had this with a living breathing human I would punch them in the nose! Just the way I am. I do not want to discuss this with another! I will **** you up!

[GOBUCKS]

Partially agree.

Doctor Killer Tiller, who made a fortune killing third-trimester babies, was himself the victim of an eight-hundredth-month abortion.

Afterward, he was just a clump of cells.

[Ptarmigan]

DUmmies should never be parents and have children. They are toxic people.

[delilahmused]

A child in the womb has been called a baby since time began and suddenly its a right wing plot to keep women down by actually expecting them to make an informed decision about what they're doing? They aren't sucking out a mass of tissue as if they were cancer cells or a hernia, they're killing a potential human being. But taking their assertion at face value then that baby would still be a fetus after it was born and several years into the future. Human babies, like most species, are unable to care for themselves. According to DUmmie logic, a born baby would still be a fetus because it cannot survive on its own. Throw it in a trash can with a 3 month old "fetus" sucked out of some skanky liberal's uterus and it will die. If their logic holds, it should be perfectly okay with them to kill a human baby and/or child up until the age it's able to take care of itself.

Cindie

[dixierose]

A child in the womb has been called a baby since time began and suddenly its a right wing plot to keep women down by actually expecting them to make an informed decision about what they're doing? They aren't sucking out a mass of tissue as if they were cancer cells or a hernia, they're killing a potential human being. But taking their assertion at face value then that baby would still be a fetus after it was born and several years into the future. Human babies, like most species, are unable to care for themselves. According to DUmmie logic, a born baby would still be a fetus because it cannot survive on its own. Throw it in a trash can with a 3 month old "fetus" sucked out of some skanky liberal's uterus and it will die. If their logic holds, it should be perfectly okay with them to kill a human baby and/or child up until the age it's able to take care of itself.

Cindie

Heck, by their logic, everyone at DU can be "aborted".

[Chris_]

Heck, by their logic, everyone at DU can be "aborted".

No great loss.

[Linda]

By liberal logic my next door neighbors could/should be aborted....ages about 25 and 50...They live off of government hand outs, neither one of them work for anything they get.

[JohnnyReb]

Sounds like some of my neighbors. 3 in one house behind me, all on disability. Another house down the road with one on SS(OK) and 2 on disability. Disability seems to run in some families like disease, huh.

[MrsSmith]

Weirdly enough, when Kate and Will decided to give little Prince George a sibling...the media immediately called it a "Baby."  So now, exactly why is Kate's kid a baby, but the surprise pregnancy of some other woman is "just a fetus," and disposable?