BainesBane and Nadin go at it hot and heavy...

[dutch508]

 

It's GAWDDAMMIT TUESDAYS!!! http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025297140

BainsBane (27,711 posts)
289. I'd say you missed the point quite completely

You can do a google search on articles about BDSM responses to this book. The source is not an email but a news article. In another post above I post several others. None of the sources above are emails. One is an online site about TV tropes, the other ABC.

My point is that the OP that got this all started--by someone who also didn't read the book--who insisted people raising objections to the book were trying to control the private lives of consenting adults. When people pointed out they were discussing a book--many of those people actually having read that book, or at least a good part of it--the fact the characters were fictional was entirely ignored. Their privacy rights trumped the free speech rights of women who raised concerns about rape and abuse.

Then we had another OP insisting the controversy was about consensual BDSM. The response by the BDSM community to this book has been widely negative. I suggest you do a quick Google search yourself since you find my news sources unacceptable. Here I link to the Guardian and some other sources. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5298604\

On Saturday, when the argument revolved around pretending people were talking about real human beings rather than fictional characters, there was no concern that those OPs hadn't read the book. In fact, the point people were talking about a movie and book was scoffed at.

I don't claim to have first hand knowledge of the book. I posted links that provided another perspective and summarized some of those sources. That of course was unacceptable. It's one thing one people who hadn't read the book were performing the community service of attacking feminism and propping up patriarchy and power, but when it came to challenging that--to suggesting that sex wasn't always good in every single circumstance particularly when it might in fact not be sex but rape--that was unacceptable. Then the talking point--now mantra--became you didn't read the book.

So the point is once again we see that people respond incredibly hostility to a POV to which they disagree. If it doesn't affirm the sanctity of sex above all else, the speech must be silenced. Merely disagreeing is cast as censorship. In order to avoid actually arguments, they fabricate claims about lying and stick to the group think talking points "you didn't read the book," even when the person is not claiming to have read the book and not even talking about the book. http://www.democraticunderground.com/125548444#post15 .One of the most badly written novels in history has now taken on Biblical proportion, complete with papal infallibility.

People who have never read that book insist it must under no circumstances to criticized, whereas those who disagree with them have no right to articulate their views, whether or not they have read the book or scholarly research about the book.
They have repeatedly distorted the concerns of those who suggested its depiction might be problematic, and that distortion based on no reading the book was widely applauded by 62 recs. We have yet another steaming pile of hypocrisy.

nadinbrzezinski (135,302 posts)
297. You got it

I will take it a step further. They have yet to ask why women are interested in reading romance novels (talk about feminist research not starting at the obvious place since gasp, it is very popular and sells well among a certain subgroup of women. Harlequin knows this and makes millions over this. This is a sub-sub genre of it)

In their outrage they also gave incredible marketing to a piece of self published, later picked up commercial piece of so horrific writing...that should have remained in the ooze. They gave this what in the publishing industry is called heat.

I am in the process of actually gasp, I know, doing due diligence and reading this terrible book, trust me, I feel IQ points dropping.

The community that practices that kind of sex is outraged over the description of the practice. The description of journalistic practice is that bad as well, I don't think any professional journalism organization will waste their time with it. (Something about free publicity)

What the feminists here are not telling you is that this trope has actually empowered women, reportedly, in the bedroom.

Of course, the feminism I see here is nowhere close to what I remember, why I no longer call myself one. I broke real glass ceilings, <--- can we add this to her resume? but cannot even start to get even a smidgen outraged over this crappy book. Ok, I do...not over the book, the fact that this really abhorrent writing became a commercial success.

Maybe I should get going on the next outrage d'jour, and make sure they get pissed and start writing articles in journals...and generate that heat. Then, like this authors who has made millions, I can laugh all the way to the bank...suckers!!!

Oh and when their role in the marketing process is pointed out, they get angry.

By the way, this is so badly written, with bbbaaaadddd descriptions, terrible dialogue (crap, crap, holy crap every few paragraphs) and paper thin characters that I really don't give a damn what happens to the characters. <----- entirely true. At least the dwarfen cousin has read the book... BAINE...

Oh and they worry about copy cats. There is plenty more, better written, of this in fanfic. Most of the folks who write this are perfectly adjusted people writing down their fantasies. This has been a very active field for decades, just not commercially. One of our pals in a writing group in Oahu used to do this kind of writing, she brought far better written pieces for the group before they went in to a usenet group dedicated to the genre. If you look into who writes this, they tend to be very well adjusted people, with a certain level of real power in the real world, and gasp, they tend to be women. A male friend shared his. He was one of the few men who writes this. He was published in something else, but used this to prime himself. Oh those were truly abusive pieces of crap. Maybe should contact him and tell him to publish under a pen name and we can get that heat going, for a split of the proceeds...

I was told by a few here that this novel is not the way to jump into the genre. I had forgotten we did help this other writer rewrite scenes for character for her usenet group. We never, ever, went into how realistic the sex scenes were. But I agree with the posters here, this book is not a good one to jump into it if you ever want to read it seriously. Hell, not a good one if you like escape literature.

But hell, watch the free marketing. They even got me. I had somehow managed to ignore the small brush fires for two years. This major conflagration got me real curious. The movie...will be a firestorm and they will give it all that free marketing. The publishers, and the studio...will laugh all the way to the bank.

You thought you were going to get away from a Bainesbane/Nadin two-some? DID YOU!

 

[landofconfusion80]

The gruesome twosome... no longer confined to under Bane's shirt.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Watching those two debate an issue together is like watching Michael J. Fox and Mohammed Ali try and force feed soup to each other. You feel guilty taking so much pleasure in watching what would otherwise be a tragic spectacle.

[Dori]

It's GAWDDAMMIT TUESDAYS!!! http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025297140
 
You thought you were going to get away from a Bainesbane/Nadin two-some? DID YOU!

 

I want to know how Nadin broke the ceiling.  Are they on a trampoline?

 

[Carl]

but cannot even start to get even a smidgen outraged over this crappy book. Ok, I do...not over the book, the fact that this really abhorrent writing became a commercial success.

I don`t care who you are,that was funny right there!

[miskie]

I can only suppose that the negative press on this book is because of the author.

The Fifty Shades series started out as Twilight fan fiction in 2009. Seriously. In other words, the author became insanely wealthy from posting on a blog. -Every DUmmy's dream job.

[landofconfusion80]

I want to know how Nadin broke the ceiling.  Are they on a trampoline?

 

She was in her real native land at the time. It makes sense...

[dutch508]

I can only suppose that the negative press on this book is because of the author.

The Fifty Shades series started out as Twilight fan fiction in 2009. Seriously. In other words, the author became insanely wealthy from posting on a blog. -Every DUmmy's dream job.

...it's because the author sucks at storytelling. It's a badly written book.

[Chris_]

I prefer this one:

http://twitter.com/50ShedsofGrey

[GOBUCKS]

But anybody who wants to discuss this...should actually read it...something about primary sources and due diligence.

Though, it is stellar easy reading when sick. Trust me, can't do the County's climate action plan right now.

But my inner writer is gnashing teeth.

Not only did nadin break ceilings, she has an inner writer, a captive who has apparently never escaped.

Have you noticed, her English vocabulary word of the day is "hubbub"?

[JohnnyReb]

Nadin says, "I broke real glass ceilings" So now we know how she became an EMT by sewing up her own wounds.

[FlippyDoo]

I just read their posts. As I was reading I kept something: "that be something, but I just can't think of what it is."

[Mr Mannn]

Nadin loves her a good fight. But not even nadin can win against the Klu Klux Klams.

[GOBUCKS]

I just read their posts. As I was reading I kept something: "that be something, but I just can't think of what it is."

Hmmm...might that be...retardant?

My pick in this catfight is bad, bad Alex Brown, biggest tits in the whole damn town.

[miskie]

...it's because the author sucks at storytelling. It's a badly written book.

Well, Yes. I have heard that. However, something seems to have changed recently, because the DUmp found no offence in it when it was first published, but they did agree it was badly written. So, I can only surmise there is something about the author they suddenly dislike.

[dutch508]

Well, Yes. I have heard that. However, something seems to have changed recently, because the DUmp found no offence in it when it was first published, but they did agree it was badly written. So, I can only surmise there is something about the author they suddenly dislike.

The hive-mind has decided it is anti-women.

[Ogre]

Nadin says, "I broke real glass ceilings" So now we know how she became an EMT by sewing up her own wounds.

The only way Nads broke the "glass ceiling" was the glass was in the form of a mirror over the bed when she looked up at it.

 

[Mr Mannn]

Well, Yes. I have heard that. However, something seems to have changed recently, because the DUmp found no offence in it when it was first published, but they did agree it was badly written. So, I can only surmise there is something about the author they suddenly dislike.

No. No. No. Nothing as simple as that. This is the rape culture meme. Its not a sudden new fad, it is an elect Hillary ploy. It's to make sexism the new racism and elevate Hillary above all criticism just like Obama.

and of all people, Hillary cannot stand criticism of any kind. We are to obey, not question.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

The only way Nads broke the "glass ceiling" was the glass was in the form of a mirror over the bed when she looked up at it.

I figured she meant the glass panel over the buffet table.

[Chris_]

I figured she meant the glass panel over the buffet table.

The Obama guard.

[Ptarmigan]

Two DUmmy women of the same political spectrum duking it out. 

[NHSparky]

Watching those two debate an issue together is like watching Michael J. Fox and Mohammed Ali try and force feed soup to each other. You feel guilty taking so much pleasure in watching what would otherwise be a tragic spectacle.

**** you, Sarge--just **** you.

I'm gonna giggle myself to sleep with that visual now.

[98ZJUSMC]

Have you noticed, her English vocabulary word of the day is "hubbub"?

Well, that seals it.  Add Master Wordsmith to the resume.