Author Topic: 9 charged in bullied girl's death (Read 8659 times)

Ptarmigan · « **Reply #50 on:** April 01, 2010, 10:20:15 PM »

I get a feeling that the bullies and the school administrators are right now the most hated people.

Ptarmigan · « **Reply #51 on:** April 01, 2010, 11:11:49 PM »

Criminal charges are pending against the school staff.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/staff-at-phoebes-school-could-face-charges-2118116.html

formerlurker · « **Reply #52 on:** April 02, 2010, 06:02:08 AM »

I hope they are charged.

littlelamb · « **Reply #53 on:** April 02, 2010, 07:31:17 AM »

I hope they get in as much trouble as the bullies

mamacags · « **Reply #54 on:** April 02, 2010, 05:33:23 PM »

I talked to a mom last night from another school district. Her son is 16 and a star football and basketball player. A group of boys kept threatening him. He went to the principle and they told him they couldn't do anything until something actually happened or they had proof. He got jumped in the hallway at school yesterday and had his head slammed into a locker and punched. He got suspended. WTF!?!? He tried to do the right thing and got punished anyway. These same boys showed up at his house too trying to find him and beat him some more. I would have met the little ****tards with a shotgun.

Ptarmigan · « **Reply #55 on:** April 02, 2010, 05:43:22 PM »

Quote from: mamacags on April 02, 2010, 05:33:23 PM

I talked to a mom last night from another school district. Her son is 16 and a star football and basketball player. A group of boys kept threatening him. He went to the principle and they told him they couldn't do anything until something actually happened or they had proof. He got jumped in the hallway at school yesterday and had his head slammed into a locker and punched. He got suspended. WTF!?!? He tried to do the right thing and got punished anyway. These same boys showed up at his house too trying to find him and beat him some more. I would have met the little ****tards with a shotgun.

Most school administrators are just plain buffoons.

Hawkgirl · « **Reply #56 on:** April 02, 2010, 06:46:29 PM »

Quote from: Ptarmigan on April 02, 2010, 05:43:22 PM

Most school administrators are just plain buffoons.

That is obviously the case in most cases.

mamacags · « **Reply #57 on:** April 02, 2010, 08:03:52 PM »

A kid tried to stab my daughter with scissors in 1st grade. He got her in the face but didn't do any damage. When I had to talk to the principle there was nothing they could do because the kids although a genius was special needs due to his mental problems. I have always told my kids to never start a fight but always finish it. And if they see a little kid getting picked on or beat up they are to stand up for them. They won't be getting into any trouble with me as long as they follow those rules. I won't tolerate them being bullies though.

littlelamb · « **Reply #58 on:** April 02, 2010, 09:24:37 PM »

Why don't schools own up and get rid of the little troublemakers why wait till there is proof

docstew · « **Reply #59 on:** April 03, 2010, 01:38:25 AM »

Quote from: Ptarmigan on April 02, 2010, 05:43:22 PM

Most school administrators are just plain buffoons.

alot of districts now require zero tolerance policies: everyone involved in a fight gets suspended, including the victim

all that does is disincentivize reporting of attacks

mamacags · « **Reply #60 on:** April 03, 2010, 06:10:10 AM »

Quote from: docstew on April 03, 2010, 01:38:25 AM

alot of districts now require zero tolerance policies: everyone involved in a fight gets suspended, including the victim

all that does is disincentivize reporting of attacks

The way I figure it if you are going to get suspended anyway you may as well go full tilt insane on someone. Zero tolerance is always the worst policy.

formerlurker · « **Reply #61 on:** April 03, 2010, 06:45:37 AM »

Quote from: mamacags on April 02, 2010, 08:03:52 PM

A kid tried to stab my daughter with scissors in 1st grade. He got her in the face but didn't do any damage. When I had to talk to the principle there was nothing they could do because the kids although a genius was special needs due to his mental problems. I have always told my kids to never start a fight but always finish it. And if they see a little kid getting picked on or beat up they are to stand up for them. They won't be getting into any trouble with me as long as they follow those rules. I won't tolerate them being bullies though.

1) He/she never should have told you the child was special needs;

2) that is not true. Special needs or not, if physical violence is involved they can be suspended for up to 10 days, and removed from the general education classroom if it is determined that the child is a threat to themselves or others.

JohnnyReb · « **Reply #62 on:** April 03, 2010, 06:52:45 AM »

Sons best friend got suspended from high school yesterday. Son called him last night to find out what happened....he ain't allowed to discuss the incident with anyone.

Son tells me that his friend has been getting harassed by a group of Obama supporters all year. His friend had reported it many times with no results. Yesterday it came to a head......redneck, honky, white trash used multiple times over an extended period of time are all acceptable words if spoken by a Obama supporter but if the "N" word is used even once at the end of some extended harassment, it's all your fault and you're outta there for an undetermined amount of time..

BTW Just heard this morning that there was some shooting in the school parking lot yesterday after school...don't know any more than that right now....but apparently it was one of those sideways shooters that can't hit jack shit but he looks cool shooting that way.

formerlurker · « **Reply #63 on:** April 03, 2010, 06:57:24 AM »

Quote from: littlelamb on April 02, 2010, 09:24:37 PM

Why don't schools own up and get rid of the little troublemakers why wait till there is proof

They actually did go through the expulsion process and two students ended up being expelled. In this process the student and parents appears (with counsel if they choose) in front of the school committee/board in executive session, and a hearing is actually held that is similar to a quasi-trial. There is a court reporter, the district has their counsel present who runs the meeting, witnesses and evidence are presented, the superintendent usually makes commentary, and then the school committee deliberates on whether or not to expel. As this involved cyber bullying the school committee has to make the decision on kicking the students out of district. There was rather strong language written into a MA bill which would give school administrators more power to act against bullying and forced teachers to be accountable for ignoring bullying, however as it made its way through the extremely liberal house and senate it got so watered down it is now meaningless.

School Administrators have to show that bullying which occurs outside of school grounds is a manifestation of school activities for them and the school board/committee to be able to act. This is why cyber bullying is such a gray area.

If the district attorney has evidence that school district administration did indeed know about the torment, then the lawsuit will be $$ staggering. This is why we are hearing over and over from administration that they knew nothing. The liability they face is tremendous. The district attorney will bury them however, and Phoebe's family will recover a huge settlement. Money is one of the few things that school boards and administration pay attention to. Perhaps that will get them to change the way they do things.

formerlurker · « **Reply #64 on:** April 03, 2010, 07:10:41 AM »

If your child is being bullied, I urge parents to send the Gebser letter (Gebser is a famous SCOTUS case in which the Court determined that school administration, or staff who has power to stop harrassment, must have been made aware it is happening in order for the school district to be liable) to the school principal and superintendent:

Gebser letter is sent to place the District on notice of the discrimination, so that if further action is required the District cannot claim they were unaware the discrimination/harrassment was occuring, and thus cannot be held accountable:

Bullying and Harassment - Gebser Letter

1. In writing, address the notification to a specific person and date the letter.

2. Write the letter to a person who has the authority to investigate and the authority to correct the wrong.

3. Note that the school district is a recipient of federal financial assistance.

4. State the past or continuing discriminatory activity against your child (bullying, harrassment, stalking, etc.).

5. State that the school district has control over both the site of the discrimination and over any school personnel involved.

6. Explain that the discrimination was not a single acct but was severe and pervasive.

7. Tell how the discrimination excluded your child from continued participation in school or denied your child the benefits to which other students in school have access.

8. Explain, as well as you can, what you would like the school to do to stop the discrimination or to remediate the harm the discrimination has done to your child.

9. State that if the person receiving this letter does not investigate or does not take effective corrective action, that you may claim that the district showed deliberate indifference to the discrimination. You may also want to add a date you expect to hear back from the district in regards to your letter.

These steps are adapted from attorney Reed Martin's "10 steps to making a successful complaint". This information is educational and not intended to be legal advice.

Ptarmigan · « **Reply #65 on:** April 03, 2010, 12:35:14 PM »

Quote from: formerlurker on April 03, 2010, 07:10:41 AM

If your child is being bullied, I urge parents to send the Gebser letter (Gebser is a famous SCOTUS case in which the Court determined that school administration, or staff who has power to stop harrassment, must have been made aware it is happening in order for the school district to be liable) to the school principal and superintendent:

Gebser letter is sent to place the District on notice of the discrimination, so that if further action is required the District cannot claim they were unaware the discrimination/harrassment was occuring, and thus cannot be held accountable:

Bullying and Harassment - Gebser Letter

1. In writing, address the notification to a specific person and date the letter.

2. Write the letter to a person who has the authority to investigate and the authority to correct the wrong.

3. Note that the school district is a recipient of federal financial assistance.

4. State the past or continuing discriminatory activity against your child (bullying, harrassment, stalking, etc.).

5. State that the school district has control over both the site of the discrimination and over any school personnel involved.

6. Explain that the discrimination was not a single acct but was severe and pervasive.

7. Tell how the discrimination excluded your child from continued participation in school or denied your child the benefits to which other students in school have access.

8. Explain, as well as you can, what you would like the school to do to stop the discrimination or to remediate the harm the discrimination has done to your child.

9. State that if the person receiving this letter does not investigate or does not take effective corrective action, that you may claim that the district showed deliberate indifference to the discrimination. You may also want to add a date you expect to hear back from the district in regards to your letter.

These steps are adapted from attorney Reed Martin's "10 steps to making a successful complaint". This information is educational and not intended to be legal advice.

Good advice!

The Prince family got a lawyer.
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view/20100403phoebe_princes_family_retains_lawyer_lawsuit_against_school_would_break_new_ground/srvc=home&position=1

The school administrators are really making themselves look worse. It is like a dam that is broken and they put bombs to destroy the dam and flood the city.

debk · « **Reply #66 on:** April 03, 2010, 04:55:30 PM »

Quote from: mamacags on April 02, 2010, 08:03:52 PM

A kid tried to stab my daughter with scissors in 1st grade. He got her in the face but didn't do any damage. When I had to talk to the principle there was nothing they could do because the kids although a genius was special needs due to his mental problems. I have always told my kids to never start a fight but always finish it. And if they see a little kid getting picked on or beat up they are to stand up for them. They won't be getting into any trouble with me as long as they follow those rules. I won't tolerate them being bullies though.

My son only got in one fight in school and that was in 8th grade. 15 yrs ago. He stuck up for a physically handicapped girl against a bully. T got tired of this kid making fun of his friend. Called him out to a fight in the boy's restroom. T threw the first and his only punch, and got the crap beat out of him. Both boys were suspended, out of school, for 3 days. The principal apologized to me, and told me because of zero tolerance that he had no choice, that fighting was a mandatory suspension. Also told me the other's boy's parents had the right to press charges against my son for assault. He also told me that he told them that he strongly recommended against it, as it would come out about their son's behavior toward the little girl. Nothing ever came of it, except T never got in another fight.... at school....

He still takes up for the "underdog"....and detests bullying.

Hawkgirl · « **Reply #67 on:** April 03, 2010, 08:55:01 PM »

Quote from: formerlurker on April 03, 2010, 07:10:41 AM

If your child is being bullied, I urge parents to send the Gebser letter (Gebser is a famous SCOTUS case in which the Court determined that school administration, or staff who has power to stop harrassment, must have been made aware it is happening in order for the school district to be liable) to the school principal and superintendent:

Gebser letter is sent to place the District on notice of the discrimination, so that if further action is required the District cannot claim they were unaware the discrimination/harrassment was occuring, and thus cannot be held accountable:

Bullying and Harassment - Gebser Letter

1. In writing, address the notification to a specific person and date the letter.

2. Write the letter to a person who has the authority to investigate and the authority to correct the wrong.

3. Note that the school district is a recipient of federal financial assistance.

4. State the past or continuing discriminatory activity against your child (bullying, harrassment, stalking, etc.).

5. State that the school district has control over both the site of the discrimination and over any school personnel involved.

6. Explain that the discrimination was not a single acct but was severe and pervasive.

7. Tell how the discrimination excluded your child from continued participation in school or denied your child the benefits to which other students in school have access.

8. Explain, as well as you can, what you would like the school to do to stop the discrimination or to remediate the harm the discrimination has done to your child.

9. State that if the person receiving this letter does not investigate or does not take effective corrective action, that you may claim that the district showed deliberate indifference to the discrimination. You may also want to add a date you expect to hear back from the district in regards to your letter.

These steps are adapted from attorney Reed Martin's "10 steps to making a successful complaint". This information is educational and not intended to be legal advice.

I hope to never use this info, but thanks...great outline should I ever need it.

Copy, paste.

Ptarmigan · « **Reply #68 on:** April 03, 2010, 10:42:05 PM »

Sharon Chanon Velazquez claims she is a victim.

BOO-HOO!!!!!!

http://www.wwlp.com/dpp/news/local/'Mean-Girl'-lawyer-says-she-is-a-victim

I have heard that said many times before.

ColonialMarine0431 · « **Reply #69 on:** April 03, 2010, 11:22:16 PM »

If someone is abusing you, you stand up and beat the **** out of them.

vesta111 · « **Reply #70 on:** April 04, 2010, 05:00:06 PM »

Quote from: ColonialMarine0431 on April 03, 2010, 11:22:16 PM

If someone is abusing you, you stand up and beat the **** out of them.

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"She has been subject to significant public disdain and reprimand. She and her family are being subjected to extensive internet intimidation," said Keefe.

WONDERFUL, public humiliation and scorn works better then a fine or probation.

I simply do not understand why in the work place or school setting if some person walks up and cold cocks you, you the victim are also suspended for fighting.? Can we be fired for protecting ourselves from harm, suspended from school for attempting to distance ourselves from bodily harm.? Attack Rabbit-----Run away, Run away.

Does that mean that if a woman is raped and fights back, she also gets the same punishment as the rapist.? If she does not fight back does that mean she wanted it.?

I see a strange movement all over the world today to enact rules and laws that put the victim at a disadvantage. Bully's in all walks of life have the advantage of knowing they can not only bully people but cause them to suffer more then they do. So one looses a job, big deal their victim also has not only been assaulted but their lives changed to boot.

In school a bully can beat up a student and get suspended for 3 days----their victim is also suspended AND a record is kept about the victim being involved in a fight. Looks real bad on a college application for the victim, the bully has the last laugh as they get a scholarship for being from a poor family.

ARGGGGGGGG

NHSparky · « **Reply #71 on:** April 04, 2010, 05:20:05 PM »

SHE'S been subject to harassment? Poor baby. She's only getting a very small taste of what her daughter and others put Phoebe through.

Ptarmigan · « **Reply #72 on:** April 04, 2010, 08:38:46 PM »

Quote from: NHSparky on April 04, 2010, 05:20:05 PM

SHE'S been subject to harassment? Poor baby. She's only getting a very small taste of what her daughter and others put Phoebe through.

Tell me about it! I remember that happening to Lori Drew, the rotten scumbag who harassed Megan Meier to suicide. Whatever befalls them, no sympathy for them or to anyone who defends these scumbags. I consider them just as bad. I loathe Phoebe's bullies and Lori Drew as much as I loathe Osama bin Laden, Kim Jong-Il, Jeffrey Dahmer, Diane Downs, and any evil figure in history. They deserve each other.

Ptarmigan · « **Reply #73 on:** April 04, 2010, 10:34:24 PM »

Disturbing all I can say. Two separate groups connected to Sean Mulveyhill and Austin Renaud were involved.

Sean Mulveyhill
Kayla Narey
Ashley Longe

Austin Renaud
Flannery Mullins
Sharon Velazquez

Others involved in both cases.

http://www.irishcentral.com/story/news/periscope/phoebe-prince-bullied-by-two-separate-gangs-new-evidence-shows-89863757.html

Ptarmigan · « **Reply #74 on:** April 08, 2010, 07:43:43 PM »

Phoebe Prince bullies live in fear amid death threats

http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Phoebe-Prince-bullies-live-in-fear-amid-death-threats-90051957.html

No sympathy for these scumbags. They made their bed and must sleep on it. They deserve to be in the same category with Seung-Hui Cho, Osama bin Laden, Adolf Hitler, or Joseph Stalin. These bullies are just as worthless as they were and they killed many.

I am not in any way trying to trivialize 9/11, Holocaust, or Purge.

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